"Report: Child And Forced Marriage In U.S. Linked To Religion"

"The extensive report documents the shocking and often hidden reality of child and forced marriage in America.

"While many Americans may believe that child and forced marriage is something that happens to women in desperate third world countries, the fact is many American women and girls are forced or coerced into marriage. 

"The first part of the two-part series examines domestic cases of child and forced marriage, which often involve fundamentalist and isolated Christian sects."

Oh dear.

Why do Lisa and Hammer condone this sort of thing?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 4:07pm:


Muslims. That's right. Muslims.

And all you've achieved today is waste an entire day trolling under various nics spamming every topic you've infected.....with unsubstantiated and off topic dribble.

This topic is yet another prime example where you've demonstrated your inability to understand the topic title ie FORCED MARRIAGE.

You still seem to think it means under age marriage.

Even though you've been told they're not.

Eise vlakas!

Pecca Breath and Mothra need to be educated.

Arranged Marriages and Dowry


We are all familiar with the story : boy meets girl, boy falls in love with girl, boy and girl gets married. For the majority of the western world, this is our ideal of a great beginning to a perfect marriage. It is important to realize that while India is very modernized in some aspects (i.e.. they lead the world in student's math and science scores and produce the largest amount of engineers in the world) they still keep to the tradition of arranged marriages. Marriages formed out of love AKA "love marriages" do happen in India but it is not the norm. It is an accepted fact that a person's family will play a role in picking the marriage partner.

While to many people raised in the west, this might sound odd. It is important to remember that in Indian society an arranged marriage is seen as an act of love. Since marriage is one of the most important decisions a person will ever make and because divorce is not accepted among most Indians, it is imperative that the marriage choice is carefully thought out and planned. How can a young person make such an important decision on his/her own? Instead, the family (usually the parents) look for certain traits in a marriage partner. Some desirable traits looked for in both male and female are: matching levels of education, matching cultures, close parental cities, matching religions, and matching vegetarians/non-vegetarians just to name a few.

Potential bride-grooms come under close scrutiny for several areas of the matching process. Do they have enough means to support the bride? Do they appear to be men who will make good husbands and fathers? Often, the bride will live with her in-laws after marriage in what is called a joint family. Because of this, the groom's family is also brought under close scrutiny. Do the women of the household seem well cared for? Do they have a big enough house for another person and grandchildren? Does the family have a good reputation?

Potential brides also come under scrutiny by the boy's parents. Since it is a commonly held belief that brides are the embodiment of that family's honor and pride, the girl must be from good family and have good manners. She should be respectable and have no taint on her name. Does she have the makings of a good wife and mother? Does she want to work after marriage or stay at home? There are so many factors to weigh, that I can not list them all.

Often, this turns into an interview process where photos are provided of the boy/girl in question along with bio-data about his/her life and family. If that meets with approval, arrangements will be made for the parents to meet the boy/girl and their family. Traditionally, however, the bride and groom would not even see each other until the day of their wedding. Today, while most marriages are still arranged, times are changing. There is usually a small courtship period where the bride and groom can meet and talk under the careful watch of a guardian. Also, if either one of the two do not want the marriage, it is likely to be cancelled. Very few family's today "force" marriages upon their children.

Of course, with any society, you have those people who just will not adapt and change. There are places in India where time has not moved forward. For those people, they carry on their lives as their parents have and their grandparents before them. Shockingly, there are still some forced marriages and child brides.

Which brings me to the issue of the dowry system....yes, folks it still exists. Now before you make that grimace of distaste, let me tell you a little about it. The dowry system has been in place since before the written record and it has been used by parents in every country imaginable, including America in older times. The point of the dowry system was to provide for the bride should something unfortunate occur with her husband such as death or divorce. As you can probably imagine, daughters can be extremely expensive offspring. Parents had/have to make a mad scramble to get enough wealth and material goods together to see their daughter well taken care of by the time she is of marriageable age. In Northern India, today this age can vary from 18-25 though exceptions do apply depending on socio-economic factors.

As you can see, the dowry system was something originally honorable in intention and provided for the independent wealth of the bride in a time when she was unlikely to work outside of the home. Like many customs and traditions, time can alter their original meaning and purpose. While the dowry system is still in place, it has become more of a "bride-price" system. The parents of a baby girl must come up with a respectable dowry (the term respectable is arbitrary, respectable dowry can be anything from $50 worth of material goods to $50,000 or more worth of material goods depending on the family's standing in society). If a good dowry is not made, the girl is unlikely to have a "good" match. This again, is mostly arbitrary. A good match for a very poor family might be marriage of their daughter into a slightly better financed family or a good match for a middle income family might be finding a husband that is a doctor or engineer. As you have probably guessed, there are very few brides who actually retain their dowry after marriage.

Oh joy. We've hit spam-a-lot.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 4:15pm:



Up!   For Lisa.

"Report: Child And Forced Marriage In U.S. Linked To Religion"

"The extensive report documents the shocking and often hidden reality of child and forced marriage in America.

"While many Americans may believe that child and forced marriage is something that happens to women in desperate third world countries, the fact is many American women and girls are forced or coerced into marriage. 

"The first part of the two-part series examines domestic cases of child and forced marriage, which often involve fundamentalist and isolated Christian sects."

Dear oh dear.

You're not condoning these forced Christian marriages, are you Lisa?

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 3:55pm:


The nutter has given you bits of stats for Australia.....which is fine as this topic pertains to Australia. BUT the stats he's giving you are in fact on UNDER AGE MARRIAGE NOT FORCED MARRIAGE....in Australia.

2 completely different things.

He's once again attempting to blur the details so as to deceive you/make it "appear" that it's not a Muslim issue....which everyone knows that it is.

"Lyndsy Duet, now a school counselor in Texas, told me that she was forced into a marriage at 17 after enduring a series of rapes beginning when she was 14, by a young man her conservative Christian family had taken into the house."

Dear oh dear.

Lisa and Hammer think this is okay?