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Reply #90 - Jul 5th, 2017 at 4:25pm
 
Johnson, the former 11-year-old unwitting bride who is now fighting for Florida to set a minimum marriage age (there is none now), says that her family attended a conservative Pentecostal church and that other girls of a similar age periodically also married. Often, she says, this was to hide rapes by church elders.

She says she was raped by both a minister and a parishioner and gave birth to a daughter when she was just 10 (the birth certificate confirms that). A judge approved the marriage to end the rape investigation, she says, telling her, “What we want is for you to get married.”


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/26/opinion/sunday/it-was-forced-on-me-child-marr...


All perfectly legal in the land of the free and home of the brave.
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Reply #91 - Jul 5th, 2017 at 4:26pm
 
mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 4:22pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 4:21pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:55pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:54pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:51pm:
What sort of parent forces a young girl into marriage with an older man?


Australian-born Christians, apparently.

"The majority of 15- to 17-year-olds married or in a de facto marriage were born in Australia. Of those who identified as married, 57 per cent identified as Christian ... "
What's that piece of crap you downloaded. It doesn't make sense.


The nutter has given you bits of stats for Australia.....which is fine as this topic pertains to Australia. BUT the stats he's giving you are in fact on UNDER AGE MARRIAGE NOT FORCED MARRIAGE....in Australia.

2 completely different things.

He's once again attempting to blur the details so as to deceive you/make it "appear" that it's not a Muslim issue....which everyone knows that it is.




Are you seriously suggesting that a 15 year old can consent to marriage Lisa?

Seriously?


It doesn't bode well for her kids.

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Reply #92 - Jul 5th, 2017 at 4:27pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 4:21pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:55pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:54pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:51pm:
What sort of parent forces a young girl into marriage with an older man?


Australian-born Christians, apparently.

"The majority of 15- to 17-year-olds married or in a de facto marriage were born in Australia. Of those who identified as married, 57 per cent identified as Christian ... "
What's that piece of crap you downloaded. It doesn't make sense.


The nutter has given you bits of stats for Australia.....which is fine as this topic pertains to Australia. BUT the stats he's giving you are in fact on UNDER AGE MARRIAGE NOT FORCED MARRIAGE....in Australia.

2 completely different things.

He's once again attempting to blur the details so as to deceive you/make it "appear" that it's not a Muslim issue....which everyone knows that it is.


FORGOT TO MENTION HAMMER..


NB No stats re forced marriage in Australia AND Christians doing the forcing have been posted in this topic..yet.

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Reply #93 - Jul 5th, 2017 at 4:29pm
 
mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 4:25pm:
Johnson, the former 11-year-old unwitting bride who is now fighting for Florida to set a minimum marriage age (there is none now), says that her family attended a conservative Pentecostal church and that other girls of a similar age periodically also married. Often, she says, this was to hide rapes by church elders.

She says she was raped by both a minister and a parishioner and gave birth to a daughter when she was just 10 (the birth certificate confirms that). A judge approved the marriage to end the rape investigation, she says, telling her, “What we want is for you to get married.”


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/26/opinion/sunday/it-was-forced-on-me-child-marr...


All perfectly legal in the land of the free and home of the brave.


"unwitting bride"  So, forced.

"11-year old"  So, paedophilia.

"conservative Pentecostal church"   So, the Christian right.

And Lisa and Hammer think this is okay?

Dear oh dear oh dear.

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Re: Forced marriage being ignored
Reply #94 - Jul 5th, 2017 at 4:29pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 4:27pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 4:21pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:55pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:54pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:51pm:
What sort of parent forces a young girl into marriage with an older man?


Australian-born Christians, apparently.

"The majority of 15- to 17-year-olds married or in a de facto marriage were born in Australia. Of those who identified as married, 57 per cent identified as Christian ... "
What's that piece of crap you downloaded. It doesn't make sense.


The nutter has given you bits of stats for Australia.....which is fine as this topic pertains to Australia. BUT the stats he's giving you are in fact on UNDER AGE MARRIAGE NOT FORCED MARRIAGE....in Australia.

2 completely different things.

He's once again attempting to blur the details so as to deceive you/make it "appear" that it's not a Muslim issue....which everyone knows that it is.


FORGOT TO MENTION HAMMER..


NB No stats re forced marriage in Australia AND Christians doing the forcing have been posted in this topic..yet.




They most certainly have.

Unless you think a 15 year old can consent to marriage?

Do you think a 15 year old can consent to marriage, Lisa?
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Re: Forced marriage being ignored
Reply #95 - Jul 5th, 2017 at 4:29pm
 
Which brings us to the Opening Post.

Gordon wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 10:30am:
No wonder when we have people like our very own Karnal who allegedly work in the office of child marriage obfuscation.




A Sydney teenager’s desperate plea to her school was reportedly ignored by the state's family services department when she told them that her parents were trying to force her into an underage marriage with an older man.

But the NSW Department of Family and Community Services contend the matter was being investigated by the federal police and state police.

The teenager bravely stepped forward and reported her parents’ threats after they agreed to pay a substantial dowry for a marriage she had no say in.

The disturbing case was eventually exposed by Salvation Army’s forced marriage specialist Laura Vidal, who went on to lodge a mandatory report to NSW’s Department of Family and Community Services.


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https://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw/a/36266887/facs-accused-of-ignoring-sydney-teen-fa
cing-child-marriage/[/url]


You know what's disturbing about this article?

1. We all know that Islam AND the parents are behind this BS.

2. No Cth or State govt agency has the balls to competently deal with the matter.

3. A Protestant organisation with limited funding is left to clean up the sordid mess left behind by 1. and 2.

Disgusting!

Forced marriage

Australia

That's the topic.


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Re: Forced marriage being ignored
Reply #96 - Jul 5th, 2017 at 4:30pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 4:29pm:
mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 4:25pm:
Johnson, the former 11-year-old unwitting bride who is now fighting for Florida to set a minimum marriage age (there is none now), says that her family attended a conservative Pentecostal church and that other girls of a similar age periodically also married. Often, she says, this was to hide rapes by church elders.

She says she was raped by both a minister and a parishioner and gave birth to a daughter when she was just 10 (the birth certificate confirms that). A judge approved the marriage to end the rape investigation, she says, telling her, “What we want is for you to get married.”


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/26/opinion/sunday/it-was-forced-on-me-child-marr...


All perfectly legal in the land of the free and home of the brave.


"unwitting bride"  So, forced.

"11-year old"  So, paedophilia.

"conservative Pentecostal church"   So, the Christian right.

And Lisa and Hammer think this is okay?

Dear oh dear oh dear.




Yes. And her baby's birth certificate confirms that she gave birth when she was 10.

10!
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Reply #97 - Jul 5th, 2017 at 4:34pm
 
P.Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 4:27pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 4:21pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:55pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:54pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:51pm:
What sort of parent forces a young girl into marriage with an older man?


Australian-born Christians, apparently.

"The majority of 15- to 17-year-olds married or in a de facto marriage were born in Australia. Of those who identified as married, 57 per cent identified as Christian ... "
What's that piece of crap you downloaded. It doesn't make sense.


The nutter has given you bits of stats for Australia.....which is fine as this topic pertains to Australia. BUT the stats he's giving you are in fact on UNDER AGE MARRIAGE NOT FORCED MARRIAGE....in Australia.

2 completely different things.

He's once again attempting to blur the details so as to deceive you/make it "appear" that it's not a Muslim issue....which everyone knows that it is.


FORGOT TO MENTION HAMMER..


NB No stats re forced marriage in Australia AND Christians doing the forcing have been posted in this topic..yet.



And there are no links either re FORCED MARRIAGE IN AUSTRALIA WITH CHRISTIANS FORCING THEIR KIDS TO MARRY.

You will only find stats re overseas stuff OR under age marriage. Nothing on topic.

Just a heads up for any poor person who has the misfortune of entering this topic!

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Reply #98 - Jul 5th, 2017 at 4:35pm
 
Lisa, why won't you answer?

Do you actually think a 15 year old can consent to marriage?

Seriously?

Or are you just going to ignore me and bump your own incorrect post. Again.
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Reply #99 - Jul 5th, 2017 at 5:55pm
 
mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 4:35pm:
Lisa, why won't you answer?

Do you actually think a 15 year old can consent to marriage?

Seriously?

Or are you just going to ignore me and bump your own incorrect post. Again.


Muzzos think 15 is an old maid.

Their twisted prophet mullhuttedd, liked the 9 year olds and many muzzos wont touch any older than that.

You seem to harp on anything other than what these disgusting CULT members do.
Continually protecting their sick practices with fake anectodes about something some white or Christian person does.

But there is a vast difference.
To muzzos its acceptable
To others in the HUMAN community, its not.

How do you justify
CULT sanctioned FGM
Or CULT sanctioned pedophelia
Or CULT sanctioned murder of homosexuals
Or CULT sanctioned murder of child rape victims.
Or CULT sanctioned
Or any number of other sick, barbaric and primitive practices carried out by this twisted CULT?

Are you a muzzo plant perhaps?
Are you even a female, or do you just wear a burka?
What is your problem?
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Reply #100 - Jul 5th, 2017 at 5:56pm
 
I don't believe it. Pecca and Mothra seriously believe there isn't a issue in Australia with Muslims and Indians pushing  ; their  children into forced marriages??? Grin Grin Grin Grin Now it's a Christian issue in Australia?? What rubbish!! Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #101 - Jul 5th, 2017 at 6:27pm
 
mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 4:30pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 4:29pm:
mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 4:25pm:
Johnson, the former 11-year-old unwitting bride who is now fighting for Florida to set a minimum marriage age (there is none now), says that her family attended a conservative Pentecostal church and that other girls of a similar age periodically also married. Often, she says, this was to hide rapes by church elders.

She says she was raped by both a minister and a parishioner and gave birth to a daughter when she was just 10 (the birth certificate confirms that). A judge approved the marriage to end the rape investigation, she says, telling her, “What we want is for you to get married.”


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/26/opinion/sunday/it-was-forced-on-me-child-marr...


All perfectly legal in the land of the free and home of the brave.


"unwitting bride"  So, forced.

"11-year old"  So, paedophilia.

"conservative Pentecostal church"   So, the Christian right.

And Lisa and Hammer think this is okay?

Dear oh dear oh dear.




Yes. And her baby's birth certificate confirms that she gave birth when she was 10.

10!



And Lisa and Hammer have no problem with this, because they're Christians?

Quite disturbing.
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Reply #102 - Jul 5th, 2017 at 7:39pm
 
mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:46pm:
Caution! We have a bender in process. A full blown bender.


Excuse me, I'll have you know Gordon's intact.
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Reply #103 - Jul 5th, 2017 at 7:40pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 7:39pm:
mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:46pm:
Caution! We have a bender in process. A full blown bender.


Excuse me, I'll have you know Gordon's intact.



Which part of him?
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Reply #104 - Jul 5th, 2017 at 7:51pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 4:18pm:
Pecca Breath and Mothra need to be educated.

Arranged Marriages and Dowry


We are all familiar with the story : boy meets girl, boy falls in love with girl, boy and girl gets married. For the majority of the western world, this is our ideal of a great beginning to a perfect marriage. It is important to realize that while India is very modernized in some aspects (i.e.. they lead the world in student's math and science scores and produce the largest amount of engineers in the world) they still keep to the tradition of arranged marriages. Marriages formed out of love AKA "love marriages" do happen in India but it is not the norm. It is an accepted fact that a person's family will play a role in picking the marriage partner.

While to many people raised in the west, this might sound odd. It is important to remember that in Indian society an arranged marriage is seen as an act of love. Since marriage is one of the most important decisions a person will ever make and because divorce is not accepted among most Indians, it is imperative that the marriage choice is carefully thought out and planned. How can a young person make such an important decision on his/her own? Instead, the family (usually the parents) look for certain traits in a marriage partner. Some desirable traits looked for in both male and female are: matching levels of education, matching cultures, close parental cities, matching religions, and matching vegetarians/non-vegetarians just to name a few.

Potential bride-grooms come under close scrutiny for several areas of the matching process. Do they have enough means to support the bride? Do they appear to be men who will make good husbands and fathers? Often, the bride will live with her in-laws after marriage in what is called a joint family. Because of this, the groom's family is also brought under close scrutiny. Do the women of the household seem well cared for? Do they have a big enough house for another person and grandchildren? Does the family have a good reputation?

Potential brides also come under scrutiny by the boy's parents. Since it is a commonly held belief that brides are the embodiment of that family's honor and pride, the girl must be from good family and have good manners. She should be respectable and have no taint on her name. Does she have the makings of a good wife and mother? Does she want to work after marriage or stay at home? There are so many factors to weigh, that I can not list them all.

Often, this turns into an interview process where photos are provided of the boy/girl in question along with bio-data about his/her life and family. If that meets with approval, arrangements will be made for the parents to meet the boy/girl and their family. Traditionally, however, the bride and groom would not even see each other until the day of their wedding. Today, while most marriages are still arranged, times are changing. There is usually a small courtship period where the bride and groom can meet and talk under the careful watch of a guardian. Also, if either one of the two do not want the marriage, it is likely to be cancelled. Very few family's today "force" marriages upon their children.

Of course, with any society, you have those people who just will not adapt and change. There are places in India where time has not moved forward. For those people, they carry on their lives as their parents have and their grandparents before them. Shockingly, there are still some forced marriages and child brides.

Which brings me to the issue of the dowry system....yes, folks it still exists. Now before you make that grimace of distaste, let me tell you a little about it. The dowry system has been in place since before the written record and it has been used by parents in every country imaginable, including America in older times. The point of the dowry system was to provide for the bride should something unfortunate occur with her husband such as death or divorce. As you can probably imagine, daughters can be extremely expensive offspring. Parents had/have to make a mad scramble to get enough wealth and material goods together to see their daughter well taken care of by the time she is of marriageable age. In Northern India, today this age can vary from 18-25 though exceptions do apply depending on socio-economic factors.

As you can see, the dowry system was something originally honorable in intention and provided for the independent wealth of the bride in a time when she was unlikely to work outside of the home. Like many customs and traditions, time can alter their original meaning and purpose. While the dowry system is still in place, it has become more of a "bride-price" system. The parents of a baby girl must  to $50,000 or more worth of material goods depending on the family's standing in society). If a good dowry ihave a "good" match. This again, is mostly arbitrary. A good match for  better financed family or a good match for a middle income family might be finding a husband that is a doctor or engineer. As you have probably guessed, there are very few brides who actually retain their dowry after marriage.


Here you go, Gordon. So we're not talking about underage marriages, and we're not talking about forced marriages. We're talking about arranged marriages.

What did your professor say about them?

Before she was charged with fraud, I mean.
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