Forum

 
  Back to OzPolitic.com   Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register
  Forum Home Album HelpSearch Recent Rules LoginRegister  
 

Pages: 1 2 3 ... 6
Send Topic Print
Aboriginal elderly sleeping on ground with dogs (Read 2732 times)
mothra
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 35346
Gender: female
Aboriginal elderly sleeping on ground with dogs
Jul 5th, 2017 at 11:48am
 
Utopia: Aboriginal elderly sleeping on ground with dogs amid calls for improved aged care
By Neda Vanovac


Her paintings have been exhibited in Paris, London, New York, Tokyo and Milan. But in her old age, renowned Aboriginal artist Kathleen Ngale lives on a mattress outdoors, unable to walk, kept warm during cold desert winter nights by about a dozen dogs who sleep alongside her.

Ms Ngale, aged about 87, lives at Camel Camp where she was born, an outstation in the remote Utopia region of Central Australia, about 260 kilometres north-east of Alice Springs.

"I sit here hungry sometimes, and we sit here with nothing," she said in Anmatyerre via an interpreter.

"My leg is no good … I just wait for little bits of food … and I can't go and wash myself when I feel like it."

Her relative Rosalie Kunoth-Monks has deplored her living conditions and is calling for improvements to be made to aged care for the elderly Aboriginal people of the region.

"She is lying with the warmth of the dogs on that mattress," Ms Kunoth-Monks said.

"How she's living now, you would not put your worst enemy through that ... It's a slow death."
She said Ms Ngale was rarely able to shower or have her bed linen changed, and her husband, aged also in his 80s, was her primary carer.

Ms Ngale's granddaughter Denisa said she was occasionally visited by a nurse from the Urpantja Clinic, located about 50 kilometres away, and that there were weekly deliveries of soup.

"If there is aged care, this old lady should be able to have a wheelchair, she should be able to have her clothes washed," Ms Kunoth-Monks said.

"There should be a laundromat here where they can wash, they don't mind putting in two dollars or whatever and doing that.

"But we are at the absolute lowest level of poverty here at communities like this."

Funding for services 'inadequate'

The Federal Government funds the Barkly Shire Council, headquartered in Tennant Creek about 400km away, to provide aged care services in Utopia, a region consisting of 16 homelands and outstations spread out over several hundred kilometres.

The service chiefly consists of meal deliveries, which are provided daily in the main homeland in Arlparra, but drops off to once every few days in the remoter areas, as there is only one full-time worker and a few part-time local staff funded to cover the region, acting CEO Chris Wright said.

"Not just aged care, but all the services we're expected to provide in that particular community are just not adequate," he said.
"Our base problem is just simply the nature of the community — it's big, it's widespread, there's huge distances to travel, and the conventional funding models don't fit that particular community.

"I guess the opportunity is to figure out, 'okay, how can services be more adequately provided to a community of outstations that are as far as 150 miles apart?'"

There are about 15 aged people effectively sleeping rough in the community, including a 92-year-old woman living in a humpy, Michael Gravener, CEO of the Urpantja Aboriginal Corporation, said.

"It's total impoverishment, total disempowerment, and they should be honoured as some of the greats of this country, being the oldest-surviving owners of this amazing country.

"It's just sad that we've neglected those people."

'If you haven't got the basics, you're not going to get anywhere'

Mr Gravener said entrenched poverty and a lack of funding made it difficult to improve circumstances for Utopia's residents.

"We're dealing with people who are told to get up and work, to get on with their lives, who live in absolute poverty, absolute homelessness, chronic overcrowding, and we're [saying], 'hey, you've got to get your act together and come and live like us'," he said.
"The reality is, if you haven't got the basics to start with, you're not going to get anywhere.

"Things like housing, food security, someone caring decently for them. They'll criticise people like the carers for Kathleen … but if you're impoverished yourself, how are you going to do that?"

He said Aboriginal people living on homelands had been found in studies to be in better health than those living in cities or regional hubs, but said they needed more support to continue to do so.

"Homelands have never been given an opportunity to survive or to grow because they're always being given little bits of funds, and you can't do that," he said.

"You can't keep playing catch-up when you want to develop into a productive, sustainable, economically viable, socially viable community."

He said Ms Ngale's living conditions needed no embellishment: "It's shocking enough as it is, she shouldn't be like that," he said.

"She should be living in the homeland, she should be given the best of care and respected for the person she is. She's a unique Australian."


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-05/utopia-aged-care-kathleen-ngale/8651086
Back to top
 

If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.
 
IP Logged
 
rhino
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 17179
Gender: male
Re: Aboriginal elderly sleeping on ground with dogs
Reply #1 - Jul 5th, 2017 at 12:03pm
 
Dont live there, simple. If you want the benefits of modern society then move to where they are provided. Our taxes shouldnt pay for lifestyle choices. Sympathy level= nil.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
mothra
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 35346
Gender: female
Re: Aboriginal elderly sleeping on ground with dogs
Reply #2 - Jul 5th, 2017 at 12:06pm
 
rhino wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 12:03pm:
Dont live there, simple. If you want the benefits of modern society then move to where they are provided. Our taxes shouldnt pay for lifestyle choices. Sympathy level= nil.



He said Aboriginal people living on homelands had been found in studies to be in better health than those living in cities or regional hubs, but said they needed more support to continue to do so.
Back to top
 

If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.
 
IP Logged
 
freediver
Gold Member
*****
Offline


www.ozpolitic.com

Posts: 48864
At my desk.
Re: Aboriginal elderly sleeping on ground with dogs
Reply #3 - Jul 5th, 2017 at 12:33pm
 
So they are suddenly going to be less healthy if we don't give them lots of money?

How much do you think it would cost to set up an aged care facility in the middle of the desert to cater for one person?
Back to top
 

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.
WWW  
IP Logged
 
greggerypeccary
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 136837
Gender: male
Re: Aboriginal elderly sleeping on ground with dogs
Reply #4 - Jul 5th, 2017 at 12:35pm
 
rhino wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 12:03pm:
Dont live there, simple. If you want the benefits of modern society then move to where they are provided.


Absolutely.

They could move in next to you.

You'd like that, wouldn't you?

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
mothra
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 35346
Gender: female
Re: Aboriginal elderly sleeping on ground with dogs
Reply #5 - Jul 5th, 2017 at 12:36pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 12:33pm:
So they are suddenly going to be less healthy if we don't give them lots of money?

How much do you think it would cost to set up an aged care facility in the middle of the desert to cater for one person?



Someone has suggested building an aged care facility for one person?
Back to top
 

If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.
 
IP Logged
 
rhino
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 17179
Gender: male
Re: Aboriginal elderly sleeping on ground with dogs
Reply #6 - Jul 5th, 2017 at 1:22pm
 
mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 12:06pm:
rhino wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 12:03pm:
Dont live there, simple. If you want the benefits of modern society then move to where they are provided. Our taxes shouldnt pay for lifestyle choices. Sympathy level= nil.



He said Aboriginal people living on homelands had been found in studies to be in better health than those living in cities or regional hubs, but said they needed more support to continue to do so.
Id probably live longer too if I didnt have to work and could spend my days choosing what leisure activity I want to get involved in while being supported by ever increasing amounts of taxpayers dollars. This is not sustainable.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
rhino
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 17179
Gender: male
Re: Aboriginal elderly sleeping on ground with dogs
Reply #7 - Jul 5th, 2017 at 1:24pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 12:35pm:
rhino wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 12:03pm:
Dont live there, simple. If you want the benefits of modern society then move to where they are provided.


Absolutely.

They could move in next to you.

You'd like that, wouldn't you?


As long as you pay their $1000 a week rental too. How about that?  Cheesy Only fair.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
mothra
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 35346
Gender: female
Re: Aboriginal elderly sleeping on ground with dogs
Reply #8 - Jul 5th, 2017 at 1:24pm
 
rhino wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 1:22pm:
mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 12:06pm:
rhino wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 12:03pm:
Dont live there, simple. If you want the benefits of modern society then move to where they are provided. Our taxes shouldnt pay for lifestyle choices. Sympathy level= nil.



He said Aboriginal people living on homelands had been found in studies to be in better health than those living in cities or regional hubs, but said they needed more support to continue to do so.
Id probably live longer too if I didnt have to work and could spend my days choosing what leisure activity I want to get involved in while being supported by ever increasing amounts of taxpayers dollars. This is not sustainable.




Oh? So they're not all alcoholics with venereal diseases who die young in their trashed homes on the vast sums handed to them by an ever gullible government?
Back to top
 

If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.
 
IP Logged
 
greggerypeccary
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 136837
Gender: male
Re: Aboriginal elderly sleeping on ground with dogs
Reply #9 - Jul 5th, 2017 at 1:26pm
 
rhino wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 1:24pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 12:35pm:
rhino wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 12:03pm:
Dont live there, simple. If you want the benefits of modern society then move to where they are provided.


Absolutely.

They could move in next to you.

You'd like that, wouldn't you?


As long as you pay their $1000 a week rental too. How about that?  Cheesy Only fair.


Why can't they pay it themselves?

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
rhino
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 17179
Gender: male
Re: Aboriginal elderly sleeping on ground with dogs
Reply #10 - Jul 5th, 2017 at 1:29pm
 
mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 1:24pm:
rhino wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 1:22pm:
mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 12:06pm:
rhino wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 12:03pm:
Dont live there, simple. If you want the benefits of modern society then move to where they are provided. Our taxes shouldnt pay for lifestyle choices. Sympathy level= nil.



He said Aboriginal people living on homelands had been found in studies to be in better health than those living in cities or regional hubs, but said they needed more support to continue to do so.
Id probably live longer too if I didnt have to work and could spend my days choosing what leisure activity I want to get involved in while being supported by ever increasing amounts of taxpayers dollars. This is not sustainable.




Oh? So they're not all alcoholics with venereal diseases who die young in their trashed homes on the vast sums handed to them by an ever gullible government?
Oh they nearly all die young compared to other groups, for the reasons you mentioned. Thats indisputable.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
mothra
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 35346
Gender: female
Re: Aboriginal elderly sleeping on ground with dogs
Reply #11 - Jul 5th, 2017 at 1:31pm
 
rhino wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 1:29pm:
mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 1:24pm:
rhino wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 1:22pm:
mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 12:06pm:
rhino wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 12:03pm:
Dont live there, simple. If you want the benefits of modern society then move to where they are provided. Our taxes shouldnt pay for lifestyle choices. Sympathy level= nil.



He said Aboriginal people living on homelands had been found in studies to be in better health than those living in cities or regional hubs, but said they needed more support to continue to do so.
Id probably live longer too if I didnt have to work and could spend my days choosing what leisure activity I want to get involved in while being supported by ever increasing amounts of taxpayers dollars. This is not sustainable.




Oh? So they're not all alcoholics with venereal diseases who die young in their trashed homes on the vast sums handed to them by an ever gullible government?
Oh they nearly all die young compared to other groups, for the reasons you mentioned. Thats indisputable. 



Nearly all? Your ignorance knows no bounds, does it.
Back to top
 

If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.
 
IP Logged
 
rhino
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 17179
Gender: male
Re: Aboriginal elderly sleeping on ground with dogs
Reply #12 - Jul 5th, 2017 at 1:31pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 1:26pm:
rhino wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 1:24pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 12:35pm:
rhino wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 12:03pm:
Dont live there, simple. If you want the benefits of modern society then move to where they are provided.


Absolutely.

They could move in next to you.

You'd like that, wouldn't you?


As long as you pay their $1000 a week rental too. How about that?  Cheesy Only fair.


Why can't they pay it themselves?

Lol.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
rhino
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 17179
Gender: male
Re: Aboriginal elderly sleeping on ground with dogs
Reply #13 - Jul 5th, 2017 at 1:32pm
 
mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 1:31pm:
rhino wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 1:29pm:
mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 1:24pm:
rhino wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 1:22pm:
mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 12:06pm:
rhino wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 12:03pm:
Dont live there, simple. If you want the benefits of modern society then move to where they are provided. Our taxes shouldnt pay for lifestyle choices. Sympathy level= nil.



He said Aboriginal people living on homelands had been found in studies to be in better health than those living in cities or regional hubs, but said they needed more support to continue to do so.
Id probably live longer too if I didnt have to work and could spend my days choosing what leisure activity I want to get involved in while being supported by ever increasing amounts of taxpayers dollars. This is not sustainable.




Oh? So they're not all alcoholics with venereal diseases who die young in their trashed homes on the vast sums handed to them by an ever gullible government?
Oh they nearly all die young compared to other groups, for the reasons you mentioned. Thats indisputable. 



Nearly all? Your ignorance knows no bounds, does it.
facts dont lie.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Lisa Jones
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 39047
Sydney
Gender: female
Re: Aboriginal elderly sleeping on ground with dogs
Reply #14 - Jul 5th, 2017 at 1:37pm
 
"Ms Ngale's granddaughter Denisa said she was occasionally visited by a nurse from the Urpantja Clinic, located about 50 kilometres away, and that there were weekly deliveries of soup."

From the OP

So this 87 yr old has kids and grandkids.

Why the farrrk aren't they pulling their finger out to help their mum/grandma?

Disrespectful @rseholes!
Back to top
 

If I let myself be bought then I am no longer free.

HYPATIA - Greek philosopher, mathematician and astronomer (370 - 415)
 
IP Logged
 
Pages: 1 2 3 ... 6
Send Topic Print