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Reply #30 - Jul 10^th, 2017 at 9:54am

aquascoot wrote on Jul 7^th, 2017 at 7:13am:

its confusing as hell as to why trump won.

No it's not. It's the easiest thing in the world to understand. Trump won because people were sick of the status quo. They din't care what they got, as long as they got something different. They didn't care that he was racist, a bigot, a pig, a liar or a cheat, they could overlook all that as long as he could 'clean out the swamp'.

The real problem the American public has is that he isn't so different after all, he's part of the very swamp the public want cleaned out. The public failed to recognise that the swamp isn't just full of corrupt politicians, it's also full of self interest lobby groups, and there are none with more of a self interest than Trump.

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Reply #31 - Jul 10^th, 2017 at 9:58am

John Smith wrote on Jul 10^th, 2017 at 9:54am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 7^th, 2017 at 7:13am:

its confusing as hell as to why trump won.

The public failed to recognise that the swamp isn't just full of corrupt politicians, it's also full of self interest lobby groups, and there are none with more of a self interest than Trump.

A fact he publicly trumpeted during his campaign... Naturally (being American) without even hint of awareness of its irony.

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Reply #32 - Jul 10^th, 2017 at 5:45pm

Karnal wrote on Jul 10^th, 2017 at 8:49am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 10^th, 2017 at 7:48am:

rich,

i cant comment on the media except to say that Trump has nothing to gain by changing course and playing nice.
the media will smell blood and go feral.

he must "hold his frame"

Ever see an alpha get owned, dear? We've all seen bullies brought down. Seeing this is one of our biggest pleasures. It's why comedy and tragedy was invented - to let the masses see their oppressors brought down - on stage.

Trump is now coming down. His body language during the G19 was pitiful to watch. The US no longer has someone in the driver's seat, standing up for their interests. The western world no longer has the US centre-stage.

Trump has been bested by Merkel. The filly in red has taken over as global pack leader. Trump just looks lost. He has, like all exposed bullies, no comeback.

This is not a media hoax, it's real. Trump has let his side down, and remember, global negotiating was meant to be his strength. He was going to reach out to the world to get the best deal for the US.

Trump has all but given up, which is what the fallen alpha does. This horse isolates from the pack and goes rogue. If he returns, even the fillies go for him. Trump is now in this position. He's on his own.

The US is no longer the leader of the free world, and this is all thanks to Trump.

That might be the best outcome of all this......He may have gotten the very best deal for the US & the American Taxpayers......

The US not having to be the Leader of the Free World.... Look at all the money that will save.....

All the Foreign Aid that will never need to be spent......all the money saved not having to protect the interests of all those who used to reap billions in US Aid, who decried his decision to drop kick the Paris Agreement by delegating the USA to the back of the bus.

Pure Genius? ...... time will tell....

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Reply #33 - Jul 10^th, 2017 at 7:58pm

Panther wrote on Jul 10^th, 2017 at 5:45pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 10^th, 2017 at 8:49am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 10^th, 2017 at 7:48am:

rich,

i cant comment on the media except to say that Trump has nothing to gain by changing course and playing nice.
the media will smell blood and go feral.

he must "hold his frame"

Ever see an alpha get owned, dear? We've all seen bullies brought down. Seeing this is one of our biggest pleasures. It's why comedy and tragedy was invented - to let the masses see their oppressors brought down - on stage.

Trump is now coming down. His body language during the G19 was pitiful to watch. The US no longer has someone in the driver's seat, standing up for their interests. The western world no longer has the US centre-stage.

Trump has been bested by Merkel. The filly in red has taken over as global pack leader. Trump just looks lost. He has, like all exposed bullies, no comeback.

This is not a media hoax, it's real. Trump has let his side down, and remember, global negotiating was meant to be his strength. He was going to reach out to the world to get the best deal for the US.

Trump has all but given up, which is what the fallen alpha does. This horse isolates from the pack and goes rogue. If he returns, even the fillies go for him. Trump is now in this position. He's on his own.

The US is no longer the leader of the free world, and this is all thanks to Trump.

That might be the best outcome of all this......He may have gotten the very best deal for the US & the American Taxpayers......

The US not having to be the Leader of the Free World.... Look at all the money that will save.....

All the Foreign Aid that will never need to be spent......all the money saved not having to protect the interests of all those who used to reap billions in US Aid, who decried his decision to drop kick the Paris Agreement by delegating the USA to the back of the bus.

Pure Genius? ...... time will tell....

Who, in the American-speaking world would want this? Back to US isolationism? What do you think encouraged certain Germans during the 30's?

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Re: Trump...what the left need to understand.
Reply #34 - Jul 10^th, 2017 at 8:28pm

aquascoot wrote on Jul 10^th, 2017 at 9:28am:

Karnal wrote on Jul 10^th, 2017 at 8:49am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 10^th, 2017 at 7:48am:

rich,

i cant comment on the media except to say that Trump has nothing to gain by changing course and playing nice.
the media will smell blood and go feral.

he must "hold his frame"

Ever see an alpha get owned, dear? We've all seen bullies brought down. Seeing this is one of our biggest pleasures. It's why comedy and tragedy was invented - to let the masses see their oppressors brought down - on stage.

Trump is now coming down. His body language during the G19 was pitiful to watch. The US no longer has someone in the driver's seat, standing up for their interests. The western world no longer has the US centre-stage.

Trump has been bested by Merkel. The filly in red has taken over as global pack leader. Trump just looks lost. He has, like all exposed bullies, no comeback.

This is not a media hoax, it's real. Trump has let his side down, and remember, global negotiating was meant to be his strength. He was going to reach out to the world to get the best deal for the US.

Trump has all but given up, which is what the fallen alpha does. This horse isolates from the pack and goes rogue. If he returns, even the fillies go for him. Trump is now in this position. He's on his own.

The US is no longer the leader of the free world, and this is all thanks to Trump.

trump would undoubtedly be receiving commentary like this all the time.
but if he lets this infect his brain, he "loses state".
when you have a "state crash" and start to question your own awesomeness, you go into a psychological tailspin.
then the mob will really get out the pitchforks and he will be totally screwed.

what i am saying Karnal , is that you may well be right and it may well pan out like this if trump is , indeed, a counterfeit "superior man".

but if Churchill had read all the doom sayers in 1941
if gandhi or mandella had let themselves have a state crash and had just become complaint little pussies, then would this have helped their cause?

trump has to soldier on like churchill in 1941. if he blinks, its all over for him. the die is cast. he has crossed the rubicon, he has burnt the boats. the left are correct in a bemusing way to call him hitler, because i think he will soon call for total war and head to the fuhrer bunker Wink

It's already over, Aquascoot. Mr Trump can't lead the world. He just gave up.

Some here are excusing this, saying Mr Trump doesn't want to lead the world, he just wants people reading his tweets or buying his T shirts or something.

This is giving in. If Mr Trump won't - or can't - directly influence the world as its anointed leader, he needs to get out of the way. Shoving his way to the front of photo ops is not going to cut it if world leaders avoid him or make excuses for his absence. This is what you do with betas.

Trump can't even compete with Merkel. How could he possibly outwit Putin or Xi Jinping?

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Reply #35 - Jul 11^th, 2017 at 10:40am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 10^th, 2017 at 7:58pm:

Panther wrote on Jul 10^th, 2017 at 5:45pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 10^th, 2017 at 8:49am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 10^th, 2017 at 7:48am:

rich,

i cant comment on the media except to say that Trump has nothing to gain by changing course and playing nice.
the media will smell blood and go feral.

he must "hold his frame"

Ever see an alpha get owned, dear? We've all seen bullies brought down. Seeing this is one of our biggest pleasures. It's why comedy and tragedy was invented - to let the masses see their oppressors brought down - on stage.

Trump is now coming down. His body language during the G19 was pitiful to watch. The US no longer has someone in the driver's seat, standing up for their interests. The western world no longer has the US centre-stage.

Trump has been bested by Merkel. The filly in red has taken over as global pack leader. Trump just looks lost. He has, like all exposed bullies, no comeback.

This is not a media hoax, it's real. Trump has let his side down, and remember, global negotiating was meant to be his strength. He was going to reach out to the world to get the best deal for the US.

Trump has all but given up, which is what the fallen alpha does. This horse isolates from the pack and goes rogue. If he returns, even the fillies go for him. Trump is now in this position. He's on his own.

The US is no longer the leader of the free world, and this is all thanks to Trump.

That might be the best outcome of all this......He may have gotten the very best deal for the US & the American Taxpayers......

The US not having to be the Leader of the Free World.... Look at all the money that will save.....

All the Foreign Aid that will never need to be spent......all the money saved not having to protect the interests of all those who used to reap billions in US Aid, who decried his decision to drop kick the Paris Agreement by delegating the USA to the back of the bus.

Pure Genius? ...... time will tell....

Who, in the American-speaking world would want this? Back to US isolationism? What do you think encouraged certain Germans during the 30's?

Isolationism....If you mean let the Parasitical World mend their own fences, & seek resolution to their own worries.....all without the guiding hand, strength, & deep pockets of Uncle Sam.....more power to Isolationism! That's exactly what the Leftist World has been crying for for the last 70 years...No?...Now they will have it......

Someone once said..."Let them eat cake".....

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Reply #36 - Jul 11^th, 2017 at 12:54pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 10^th, 2017 at 7:58pm:

Panther wrote on Jul 10^th, 2017 at 5:45pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 10^th, 2017 at 8:49am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 10^th, 2017 at 7:48am:

rich,

i cant comment on the media except to say that Trump has nothing to gain by changing course and playing nice.
the media will smell blood and go feral.

he must "hold his frame"

Ever see an alpha get owned, dear? We've all seen bullies brought down. Seeing this is one of our biggest pleasures. It's why comedy and tragedy was invented - to let the masses see their oppressors brought down - on stage.

Trump is now coming down. His body language during the G19 was pitiful to watch. The US no longer has someone in the driver's seat, standing up for their interests. The western world no longer has the US centre-stage.

Trump has been bested by Merkel. The filly in red has taken over as global pack leader. Trump just looks lost. He has, like all exposed bullies, no comeback.

This is not a media hoax, it's real. Trump has let his side down, and remember, global negotiating was meant to be his strength. He was going to reach out to the world to get the best deal for the US.

Trump has all but given up, which is what the fallen alpha does. This horse isolates from the pack and goes rogue. If he returns, even the fillies go for him. Trump is now in this position. He's on his own.

The US is no longer the leader of the free world, and this is all thanks to Trump.

That might be the best outcome of all this......He may have gotten the very best deal for the US & the American Taxpayers......

The US not having to be the Leader of the Free World.... Look at all the money that will save.....

All the Foreign Aid that will never need to be spent......all the money saved not having to protect the interests of all those who used to reap billions in US Aid, who decried his decision to drop kick the Paris Agreement by delegating the USA to the back of the bus.

Pure Genius? ...... time will tell....

Who, in the American-speaking world would want this? Back to US isolationism? What do you think encouraged certain Germans during the 30's?

Isolationism will bring USA only trouble. Its engagement in the world is what made it 'great'; in the first place. Up until WW2 they were just a great big country with a second-rate military. Now Trump wants to go back to that.

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Reply #37 - Jul 11^th, 2017 at 4:05pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 11^th, 2017 at 12:54pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 10^th, 2017 at 7:58pm:

Panther wrote on Jul 10^th, 2017 at 5:45pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 10^th, 2017 at 8:49am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 10^th, 2017 at 7:48am:

rich,

i cant comment on the media except to say that Trump has nothing to gain by changing course and playing nice.
the media will smell blood and go feral.

he must "hold his frame"

Ever see an alpha get owned, dear? We've all seen bullies brought down. Seeing this is one of our biggest pleasures. It's why comedy and tragedy was invented - to let the masses see their oppressors brought down - on stage.

Trump is now coming down. His body language during the G19 was pitiful to watch. The US no longer has someone in the driver's seat, standing up for their interests. The western world no longer has the US centre-stage.

Trump has been bested by Merkel. The filly in red has taken over as global pack leader. Trump just looks lost. He has, like all exposed bullies, no comeback.

This is not a media hoax, it's real. Trump has let his side down, and remember, global negotiating was meant to be his strength. He was going to reach out to the world to get the best deal for the US.

Trump has all but given up, which is what the fallen alpha does. This horse isolates from the pack and goes rogue. If he returns, even the fillies go for him. Trump is now in this position. He's on his own.

The US is no longer the leader of the free world, and this is all thanks to Trump.

That might be the best outcome of all this......He may have gotten the very best deal for the US & the American Taxpayers......

The US not having to be the Leader of the Free World.... Look at all the money that will save.....

All the Foreign Aid that will never need to be spent......all the money saved not having to protect the interests of all those who used to reap billions in US Aid, who decried his decision to drop kick the Paris Agreement by delegating the USA to the back of the bus.

Pure Genius? ...... time will tell....

Who, in the American-speaking world would want this? Back to US isolationism? What do you think encouraged certain Germans during the 30's?

Isolationism will bring USA only trouble. Its engagement in the world is what made it 'great'; in the first place. Up until WW2 they were just a great big country with a second-rate military. Now Trump wants to go back to that.

Slight change... Up until WW1 they were considered just a great big country with a second-rate military. Woodrow Wilson was hailed almost as a 'messiah' (in the deepest sense of the word) by the Allies in Europe in 1918...

“the world [must] be made fit and safe to live in; and particularly that it be made safe for every peace-loving nation which, like our own, wishes to live its own life, determine its own institutions, be assured of justice and fair dealing by the other peoples of the world as against force and selfish aggression.”

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Reply #38 - Jul 11^th, 2017 at 4:38pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 11^th, 2017 at 4:05pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 11^th, 2017 at 12:54pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 10^th, 2017 at 7:58pm:

Panther wrote on Jul 10^th, 2017 at 5:45pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 10^th, 2017 at 8:49am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 10^th, 2017 at 7:48am:

rich,

i cant comment on the media except to say that Trump has nothing to gain by changing course and playing nice.
the media will smell blood and go feral.

he must "hold his frame"

Ever see an alpha get owned, dear? We've all seen bullies brought down. Seeing this is one of our biggest pleasures. It's why comedy and tragedy was invented - to let the masses see their oppressors brought down - on stage.

Trump is now coming down. His body language during the G19 was pitiful to watch. The US no longer has someone in the driver's seat, standing up for their interests. The western world no longer has the US centre-stage.

Trump has been bested by Merkel. The filly in red has taken over as global pack leader. Trump just looks lost. He has, like all exposed bullies, no comeback.

This is not a media hoax, it's real. Trump has let his side down, and remember, global negotiating was meant to be his strength. He was going to reach out to the world to get the best deal for the US.

Trump has all but given up, which is what the fallen alpha does. This horse isolates from the pack and goes rogue. If he returns, even the fillies go for him. Trump is now in this position. He's on his own.

The US is no longer the leader of the free world, and this is all thanks to Trump.

That might be the best outcome of all this......He may have gotten the very best deal for the US & the American Taxpayers......

The US not having to be the Leader of the Free World.... Look at all the money that will save.....

All the Foreign Aid that will never need to be spent......all the money saved not having to protect the interests of all those who used to reap billions in US Aid, who decried his decision to drop kick the Paris Agreement by delegating the USA to the back of the bus.

Pure Genius? ...... time will tell....

Who, in the American-speaking world would want this? Back to US isolationism? What do you think encouraged certain Germans during the 30's?

Isolationism will bring USA only trouble. Its engagement in the world is what made it 'great'; in the first place. Up until WW2 they were just a great big country with a second-rate military. Now Trump wants to go back to that.

Slight change... Up until WW1 they were considered just a great big country with a second-rate military. Woodrow Wilson was hailed almost as a 'messiah' (in the deepest sense of the word) by the Allies in Europe in 1918...

“the world [must] be made fit and safe to live in; and particularly that it be made safe for every peace-loving nation which, like our own, wishes to live its own life, determine its own institutions, be assured of justice and fair dealing by the other peoples of the world as against force and selfish aggression.”

USA took a long time to enter WW2 and essentially, not until they were attacked. They were still isolationist in substance.

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Reply #39 - Jul 11^th, 2017 at 8:27pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 11^th, 2017 at 4:38pm:

USA took a long time to enter WW2 and essentially, not until they were attacked. They were still isolationist in substance.

USA took a long time to enter WW1 as well...

The American people became vehemently isolationist after the horrors of WW1... Not so Roosevelt but he was hobbled by a Congress that wanted nothing to do with European affairs after WW1... A big mistake and a tragedy for the world... The Holocaust would likely never have happened had the USA stood with the European Allies against Hitler when appeasement was all free Europe could do to avoid another mass WW1-style slaughter... With the US out of the picture in 1939, it came anyway and, ultimately, the Americans were forced into it and at a cost much greater than had they been with Europe militarily from 1933.

Who will stop the Chinese from claiming the western and south Pacific for itself without the US?

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Reply #40 - Jul 12^th, 2017 at 1:06am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 11^th, 2017 at 8:27pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 11^th, 2017 at 4:38pm:

USA took a long time to enter WW2 and essentially, not until they were attacked. They were still isolationist in substance.

USA took a long time to enter WW1 as well...

The American people became vehemently isolationist after the horrors of WW1... Not so Roosevelt but he was hobbled by a Congress that wanted nothing to do with European affairs after WW1... A big mistake and a tragedy for the world... The Holocaust would likely never have happened had the USA stood with the European Allies against Hitler when appeasement was all free Europe could do to avoid another mass WW1-style slaughter... With the US out of the picture in 1939, it came anyway and, ultimately, the Americans were forced into it and at a cost much greater than had they been with Europe militarily from 1933.

Who will stop the Chinese from claiming the western and south Pacific for itself without the US?

Drawing parallels to Hitlers Germany is an overworked and erroneous theme attempting to frighten the public.

It wasn't isolationism that caused WW2 - it was expansionism. Hitler absorbed Austria the Czechoslovakia then Poland. That is a country that is expanding its borders.

The next World War (God forbid) will not be fought with aircraft carriers or tanks. It will be ICBM's launched mostly from the US mainland.

Who cares if the US is no longer the no1 World power.
The oil backed USD is finished anyway and that will mean greater freedom for the US to look after its own interests - instead of doing the dirty work as puppets of international banksters.

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Reply #41 - Jul 12^th, 2017 at 8:03am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 11^th, 2017 at 8:27pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 11^th, 2017 at 4:38pm:

USA took a long time to enter WW2 and essentially, not until they were attacked. They were still isolationist in substance.

USA took a long time to enter WW1 as well...

The American people became vehemently isolationist after the horrors of WW1... Not so Roosevelt but he was hobbled by a Congress that wanted nothing to do with European affairs after WW1... A big mistake and a tragedy for the world... The Holocaust would likely never have happened had the USA stood with the European Allies against Hitler when appeasement was all free Europe could do to avoid another mass WW1-style slaughter... With the US out of the picture in 1939, it came anyway and, ultimately, the Americans were forced into it and at a cost much greater than had they been with Europe militarily from 1933.

Who will stop the Chinese from claiming the western and south Pacific for itself without the US?

why would they invade it when they can buy it.
the suburbs around me are now sold at nearly 70 % thru auction because that is the chinese preferred option.
the chinese kiddies hit the library and have capitalist parents who are very aspirational for their kids,whilst the aussie kiddies work at fast food joints and have fat steve and his fat wife for parents. all they see is whining , complaining, wanting to "take" and just trying to "cope". just trying to cope with this harsh world.

the level of laziness and apathy amongst aussies is SO CRAZY, that the chinese dont even need to bring their A game to compete. they only need to turn up and the aussies hand over all their assets.

because heres the fundamental truth.

if you are a taker and you live in scarcity (the modern mindset of fat steve and his fat wife), the universe will give you nothing.

the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

if the chinese want australia, they just need to turn up with the right personal philosophy and the universe will turn it over to them. the ONLY WAY to stop this is for fat steve, his fat wife and his fat kids to start walking the "narrow road to sucess" this will never happen. Wink

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Reply #42 - Jul 12^th, 2017 at 9:44am

Richdude wrote on Jul 12^th, 2017 at 1:06am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 11^th, 2017 at 8:27pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 11^th, 2017 at 4:38pm:

USA took a long time to enter WW2 and essentially, not until they were attacked. They were still isolationist in substance.

USA took a long time to enter WW1 as well...

The American people became vehemently isolationist after the horrors of WW1... Not so Roosevelt but he was hobbled by a Congress that wanted nothing to do with European affairs after WW1... A big mistake and a tragedy for the world... The Holocaust would likely never have happened had the USA stood with the European Allies against Hitler when appeasement was all free Europe could do to avoid another mass WW1-style slaughter... With the US out of the picture in 1939, it came anyway and, ultimately, the Americans were forced into it and at a cost much greater than had they been with Europe militarily from 1933.

Who will stop the Chinese from claiming the western and south Pacific for itself without the US?

Drawing parallels to Hitlers Germany is an overworked and erroneous theme attempting to frighten the public.

It wasn't isolationism that caused WW2 - it was expansionism. Hitler absorbed Austria the Czechoslovakia then Poland. That is a country that is expanding its borders.

Hitler's expanding of German borders was a test on the will of the Allies... Marching into the Rhineland, marching into Czechoslovakia were provocations to the Allies... invading Poland may have been a bridge too far for the western Europeans but none of this would have been as inevitable if the US and the Allies stared Hitler down between 1933 and 1939...

Of course isolationism didn't cause the war... That's not the point... Isolationism left the proved power of the US off the battlefield until just on the dawn of 1942...

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Reply #43 - Jul 12^th, 2017 at 10:14am

aquascoot wrote on Jul 12^th, 2017 at 8:03am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 11^th, 2017 at 8:27pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 11^th, 2017 at 4:38pm:

USA took a long time to enter WW2 and essentially, not until they were attacked. They were still isolationist in substance.

USA took a long time to enter WW1 as well...

The American people became vehemently isolationist after the horrors of WW1... Not so Roosevelt but he was hobbled by a Congress that wanted nothing to do with European affairs after WW1... A big mistake and a tragedy for the world... The Holocaust would likely never have happened had the USA stood with the European Allies against Hitler when appeasement was all free Europe could do to avoid another mass WW1-style slaughter... With the US out of the picture in 1939, it came anyway and, ultimately, the Americans were forced into it and at a cost much greater than had they been with Europe militarily from 1933.

Who will stop the Chinese from claiming the western and south Pacific for itself without the US?

why would they invade it when they can buy it.

Expansion into the South China Sea?

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