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Mod. Moderator Offline OzPolitic Posts: 1196 Gender:	Re: Circumventing a ban Reply #15 - Jul 9^th, 2017 at 10:11pm Mod. wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 10:07pm: I thought there was a GMod Forum where these records were kept? Further, how is that I am told by Vic that if I 'do it again, it will be a week?' How will he know, if there is no record in that GMod Forum?
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Reply #16 - Jul 9^th, 2017 at 10:14pm

Mod. wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 10:11pm:

Mod. wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 10:07pm:

I thought there was a GMod Forum where these records were kept?

Further, how is that I am told by Vic that if I 'do it again, it will be a week?' How will he know, if there is no record in that GMod Forum?

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Memory if it is recent?

We have forum, yes, it is not searchable and I'm not going to read 20 years of shyte just to make you happy.

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Reply #17 - Jul 9^th, 2017 at 10:23pm

Setanta wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 10:14pm:

Mod. wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 10:11pm:

Mod. wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 10:07pm:

I thought there was a GMod Forum where these records were kept?

Further, how is that I am told by Vic that if I 'do it again, it will be a week?' How will he know, if there is no record in that GMod Forum?

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Memory if it is recent?

We have forum, yes, it is not searchable and I'm not going to read 20 years of shyte just to make you happy.

Come on. My happiness has SFA to do with it. All Members ask for is consistency, nothing more.

Surely that is only fair to everyone?

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Reply #18 - Jul 9^th, 2017 at 10:32pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 10:23pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 10:14pm:

Mod. wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 10:11pm:

Mod. wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 10:07pm:

I thought there was a GMod Forum where these records were kept?

Further, how is that I am told by Vic that if I 'do it again, it will be a week?' How will he know, if there is no record in that GMod Forum?

Undecided

Memory if it is recent?

We have forum, yes, it is not searchable and I'm not going to read 20 years of shyte just to make you happy.

Come on. My happiness has SFA to do with it. All Members ask for is consistency, nothing more.

Surely that is only fair to everyone?

Embarrassed

We don't have pow wows(courts) about members infractions, impossible, we are not all on at the same time. We are not a government organisation with a database of members transgressions. We work with what we have. You will find consistency within a mods decisions but probably not between them. There's nothing to be done for that and you should learn to accept it. Continually crying about it will get you nowhere and only serves to undermine what we have, as flawed as it is.

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Aussie Gold Member Online OzPolitic Posts: 38581 Gender:	Re: Circumventing a ban Reply #19 - Jul 9^th, 2017 at 10:42pm I understand and accept your point. But, you guys are at the blunt end of ad hoc delivery. Members are at the very sharp end of quite specific receipt.
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Reply #20 - Jul 9^th, 2017 at 10:46pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 10:42pm:

I understand and accept your point. But, you guys are at the blunt end of ad hoc delivery. Members are at the very sharp end of quite specific receipt.

Then draw your own lines knowing the reality you are here under and don't have them drawn for you.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1492387114/105#105

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Reply #21 - Jul 9^th, 2017 at 10:56pm

Setanta wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 10:46pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 10:42pm:

I understand and accept your point. But, you guys are at the blunt end of ad hoc delivery. Members are at the very sharp end of quite specific receipt.

Then draw your own lines knowing the reality you are here under and don't have them drawn for you.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1492387114/105#105

Ya see, there is the problem. Nowhere in those Rules which Members sign up for is there anything about what you describe.

I'd agree with you 100% if those Rules vanished. But, they exist and that is what Members agree to abide by.

I'm quite happy to see moderation at the absolute whim of sensible people (see the Rules for Member Run Boards) and accept the outcome will be Member exodus of the entire Forum if someone like I am (falsely) described became an Umpire unfettered by Rules.

I do see your point, but that is a two sided coin.

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Re: Circumventing a ban
Reply #22 - Jul 9^th, 2017 at 11:04pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 10:56pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 10:46pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 10:42pm:

I understand and accept your point. But, you guys are at the blunt end of ad hoc delivery. Members are at the very sharp end of quite specific receipt.

Then draw your own lines knowing the reality you are here under and don't have them drawn for you.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1492387114/105#105

Ya see, there is the problem. Nowhere in those Rules which Members sign up for is there anything about what you describe.

I'd agree with you 100% if those Rules vanished. But, they exist and that is what Members agree to abide by.

I'm quite happy to see moderation at the absolute whim of sensible people (see the Rules for Member Run Boards) and accept the outcome will be Member exodus of the entire Forum if someone like I am (falsely) described became an Umpire unfettered by Rules.

I do see your point, but that is a two sided coin.

No-one reads them but pedants looking for an out. Draw your lines on your own behaviour.

We are in effect unfettered, perhaps that is why FD is careful in appointing them. I've given my views on who I should be replaced with. Sensible people who don't have an axe to grind on personality or "sides".

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Aussie Gold Member Online OzPolitic Posts: 38581 Gender:	Re: Circumventing a ban Reply #23 - Jul 9^th, 2017 at 11:07pm Okay, then let's do without those Forum Rules entirely. You agree?
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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 16564 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: Circumventing a ban Reply #24 - Jul 9^th, 2017 at 11:30pm Aussie wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 11:07pm: Okay, then let's do without those Forum Rules entirely. You agree? Surely they can be used as a guide at least for those that just can't draw their own line or don't have a line. You should get over it.
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Re: Circumventing a ban
Reply #25 - Jul 9^th, 2017 at 11:32pm

Setanta wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 11:04pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 10:56pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 10:46pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 10:42pm:

I understand and accept your point. But, you guys are at the blunt end of ad hoc delivery. Members are at the very sharp end of quite specific receipt.

Then draw your own lines knowing the reality you are here under and don't have them drawn for you.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1492387114/105#105

Ya see, there is the problem. Nowhere in those Rules which Members sign up for is there anything about what you describe.

I'd agree with you 100% if those Rules vanished. But, they exist and that is what Members agree to abide by.

I'm quite happy to see moderation at the absolute whim of sensible people (see the Rules for Member Run Boards) and accept the outcome will be Member exodus of the entire Forum if someone like I am (falsely) described became an Umpire unfettered by Rules.

I do see your point, but that is a two sided coin.

No-one reads them but pedants looking for an out. Draw your lines on your own behaviour.

We are in effect unfettered, perhaps that is why FD is careful in appointing them. I've given my views on who I should be replaced with. Sensible people who don't have an axe to grind on personality or "sides".

Like me?

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Re: Circumventing a ban
Reply #26 - Jul 9^th, 2017 at 11:37pm

Setanta wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 11:30pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 11:07pm:

Okay, then let's do without those Forum Rules entirely. You agree?

Surely they can be used as a guide at least for those that just can't draw their own line or don't have a line.

You should get over it.

You keep thinking it is just about me. It never is. I am always an issues driven person. I have nothing to 'get over,' and trying that subjective dismissive approach fails to address the problem.

We ought have a set of Rules the GMods enforce, or we have moderation based on the 'sensibility' of the GMods and no Rules.

Cops don't get to arrest based on what they reckon is 'sensible.'

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Reply #27 - Jul 9^th, 2017 at 11:38pm

Bobby. wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 11:32pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 11:04pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 10:56pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 10:46pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 10:42pm:

I understand and accept your point. But, you guys are at the blunt end of ad hoc delivery. Members are at the very sharp end of quite specific receipt.

Then draw your own lines knowing the reality you are here under and don't have them drawn for you.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1492387114/105#105

Ya see, there is the problem. Nowhere in those Rules which Members sign up for is there anything about what you describe.

I'd agree with you 100% if those Rules vanished. But, they exist and that is what Members agree to abide by.

I'm quite happy to see moderation at the absolute whim of sensible people (see the Rules for Member Run Boards) and accept the outcome will be Member exodus of the entire Forum if someone like I am (falsely) described became an Umpire unfettered by Rules.

I do see your point, but that is a two sided coin.

No-one reads them but pedants looking for an out. Draw your lines on your own behaviour.

We are in effect unfettered, perhaps that is why FD is careful in appointing them. I've given my views on who I should be replaced with. Sensible people who don't have an axe to grind on personality or "sides".

Like me?

You weren't on my list Bobby, sorry. Cry

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Re: Circumventing a ban
Reply #28 - Jul 9^th, 2017 at 11:42pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 11:37pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 11:30pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 11:07pm:

Okay, then let's do without those Forum Rules entirely. You agree?

Surely they can be used as a guide at least for those that just can't draw their own line or don't have a line.

You should get over it.

You keep thinking it is just about me. It never is. I am always an issues driven person. I have nothing to 'get over,' and trying that subjective dismissive approach fails to address the problem.

We ought have a set of Rules the GMods enforce, or we have moderation based on the 'sensibility' of the GMods and no Rules.

Cops don't get to arrest based on what they reckon is 'sensible.'

Ozpol is not a state, it's private property. You'll either get a very sore head or beat your brains out, give it up.

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Re: Circumventing a ban
Reply #29 - Jul 9^th, 2017 at 11:50pm

Setanta wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 11:38pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 11:32pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 11:04pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 10:56pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 10:46pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 10:42pm:

I understand and accept your point. But, you guys are at the blunt end of ad hoc delivery. Members are at the very sharp end of quite specific receipt.

Then draw your own lines knowing the reality you are here under and don't have them drawn for you.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1492387114/105#105

Ya see, there is the problem. Nowhere in those Rules which Members sign up for is there anything about what you describe.

I'd agree with you 100% if those Rules vanished. But, they exist and that is what Members agree to abide by.

I'm quite happy to see moderation at the absolute whim of sensible people (see the Rules for Member Run Boards) and accept the outcome will be Member exodus of the entire Forum if someone like I am (falsely) described became an Umpire unfettered by Rules.

I do see your point, but that is a two sided coin.

No-one reads them but pedants looking for an out. Draw your lines on your own behaviour.

We are in effect unfettered, perhaps that is why FD is careful in appointing them. I've given my views on who I should be replaced with. Sensible people who don't have an axe to grind on personality or "sides".

Like me?

You weren't on my list Bobby, sorry. Cry

I'd love to see that list. Then again, I don't want to.

Why anyone would take it on to fly totally blind without proper guidelines and Leadership direction is way beyond me.

That is why I'd never ever ever take the job here and probably why there is such an appalling GMod attrition rate.

We lose the better ones, like you and Muso.

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