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Reply #30 - Jul 12th, 2017 at 1:46pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 12:59pm:
Karnal wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 11:25am:
aquascoot wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 10:51am:
collusion, as in "price fixing" is against the law.
solicitation, as in trump asking the russians to hack, is against the law.

talking to foreign governments and sharing information is in no way illegal . in fact, politicians talk to people all the time and obtain information to stay informed. this is part of walking the path of the "superior man". this is just trump staying the well informed , kick ass, champ dominator that he has strived to be.

tell me, would it be illegal for one of these journalists to talk to a russian and obtain information.
NO!!!
it would be good investigative journalism !!!!


It would indeed, dear, but I'm curious. Do you think it would be illegal for a presidential campaign to collude with a foreign power to hack and release other candidates' private emails?

Would this be the path of the "superior man", or some grub who just wants the job title of president to add to their Twitter posts?


if trump asked russia to hack emails , he is guilty of solicitation.
if russia already hacked them and then alpha male Vlad decides to vibe with a fellow alpha and they discuss hilary , then Trump is merely recieving good intel. nice to see a leader who can vibe with other players who are playing at the elite level.




Now now, dear, we can tolerate a lot of limp-wristed excuses and madness here. But are you seriously saying that Trump plotting with a foreign power to expose presidential candidates' hacked information is NOT the sort of massive corruption Trump promised to expose and fix?

We're talking about a US president who was elected due to collusion with a foreign government - a government who has had sanctions imposed due to the very thing Trump is being investigated for enabling.

And you believe this is all above board?

Please explain, dear.
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Reply #31 - Jul 12th, 2017 at 1:51pm
 
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 1:25pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 9:38am:
John Smith wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 9:25am:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/8699470-3x2-700x467.jpg


the email in question

lets see mechanic write this off as fake news Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


You can't fool the old pom, John.

He knows you made that in MS Paint.



its clear that you fwits don't know the difference between Donald Trump and DT, jr...


That's true, Mechanic. Donald Trump Junior (Mr Trump's son), Jared Kushner (Mr Trump's son-in-law) and Paul Manafort, Mr Trump's campaign chairman.

Completely different to Mr Trump. How could the leftards get so muddled up?   
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Reply #32 - Jul 12th, 2017 at 2:19pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 1:38pm:
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 1:25pm:
its clear that you fwits don't know the difference between Donald Trump and DT, jr...

absolute nothing Berger... 



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I was wondering what straw you would grasp.  Grin Grin Grin



Interesting that the meeting with Trump Jnr was at 5pm and that evening at 8pm Trump Senior announced that information about Hillary was going to be released.

And it wasn't just Trump Jnr involved it was virtually all of Trump's senior election team.



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Reply #33 - Jul 12th, 2017 at 2:26pm
 
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 1:31pm:
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Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire
Kiev officials are scrambling to make amends with the president-elect after quietly working to boost Clinton.


Donald Trump wasn’t the only presidential candidate whose campaign was boosted by officials of a former Soviet bloc country.

Ukrainian government officials tried to help Hillary Clinton and undermine Trump by publicly questioning his fitness for office.

They also disseminated documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption and suggested they were investigating the matter, only to back away after the election.

And they helped Clinton’s allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers, a Politico investigation found.


A Ukrainian-American operative who was consulting for the Democratic National Committee met with top officials in the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington in an effort to expose ties between Trump, top campaign aide Paul Manafort and Russia, according to people with direct knowledge of the situation.

The Ukrainian efforts had an impact in the race, helping to force Manafort’s resignation and advancing the narrative that Trump’s campaign was deeply connected to Ukraine’s foe to the east, Russia. But they were far less concerted or centrally directed than Russia’s alleged hacking and dissemination of Democratic emails.


I will assume that groggy, wankend, puddle duck and the politically retarded John Smith and co will be calling treason???

no???


What you have produced seems to smell a lot like the type of fake news we have seen in response to most of  Trumps problems.

However if it is correct then Hillary or whoever is responsible deserves the same result as Trump and His team of traitors should get.
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Reply #34 - Jul 12th, 2017 at 2:36pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 2:26pm:
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 1:31pm:
Quote:
Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire
Kiev officials are scrambling to make amends with the president-elect after quietly working to boost Clinton.


Donald Trump wasn’t the only presidential candidate whose campaign was boosted by officials of a former Soviet bloc country.

Ukrainian government officials tried to help Hillary Clinton and undermine Trump by publicly questioning his fitness for office.

They also disseminated documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption and suggested they were investigating the matter, only to back away after the election.

And they helped Clinton’s allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers, a Politico investigation found.


A Ukrainian-American operative who was consulting for the Democratic National Committee met with top officials in the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington in an effort to expose ties between Trump, top campaign aide Paul Manafort and Russia, according to people with direct knowledge of the situation.

The Ukrainian efforts had an impact in the race, helping to force Manafort’s resignation and advancing the narrative that Trump’s campaign was deeply connected to Ukraine’s foe to the east, Russia. But they were far less concerted or centrally directed than Russia’s alleged hacking and dissemination of Democratic emails.


I will assume that groggy, wankend, puddle duck and the politically retarded John Smith and co will be calling treason???

no???


What you have produce seems to smell a lot like the type of fake news we have seen in response to most of  Trumps problems.

However if it is correct than Hillary or whoever is responsible deserves the same result as Trump and His team of traitors should get.


Ahhhh, but Trump's team has an ace in the hole, that SHillary's people couldn't even get anywhere close to.....3 simple words.......
the Trump Card.    ...
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Reply #35 - Jul 12th, 2017 at 3:16pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 2:19pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 1:38pm:
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 1:25pm:
its clear that you fwits don't know the difference between Donald Trump and DT, jr...

absolute nothing Berger... 



Grin Grin Grin Grin

I was wondering what straw you would grasp.  Grin Grin Grin



Interesting that the meeting with Trump Jnr was at 5pm and that evening at 8pm Trump Senior announced that information about Hillary was going to be released.

And it wasn't just Trump Jnr involved it was virtually all of Trump's senior election team.





Yes, but they're not Mr Trump, Dnarever, as the Mechanic rightly points out.

Mr Trump's announcement was just a coincidence. He probably meant he was going to release information about Hillary's pant suits or her collection of wigs or something.

Mr Trump's hands are clean in all this. He wants to DRAIN THE SWAMP, remember, not fill the White House up with traitors, foreign lobbyists and Russian stooges.

LOCK HER UP.
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Reply #36 - Jul 12th, 2017 at 3:20pm
 
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 1:31pm:
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Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire
Kiev officials are scrambling to make amends with the president-elect after quietly working to boost Clinton.


Donald Trump wasn’t the only presidential candidate whose campaign was boosted by officials of a former Soviet bloc country.

Ukrainian government officials tried to help Hillary Clinton and undermine Trump by publicly questioning his fitness for office.

They also disseminated documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption and suggested they were investigating the matter, only to back away after the election.

And they helped Clinton’s allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers, a Politico investigation found.


A Ukrainian-American operative who was consulting for the Democratic National Committee met with top officials in the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington in an effort to expose ties between Trump, top campaign aide Paul Manafort and Russia, according to people with direct knowledge of the situation.

The Ukrainian efforts had an impact in the race, helping to force Manafort’s resignation and advancing the narrative that Trump’s campaign was deeply connected to Ukraine’s foe to the east, Russia. But they were far less concerted or centrally directed than Russia’s alleged hacking and dissemination of Democratic emails.


I will assume that groggy, wankend, puddle duck and the politically retarded John Smith and co will be calling treason???

no???


What do you call conspiring with a foreign government in an attack against a US election ?

I recall many members here being called tractors because they refuse to persecute innocent Muslim Australians.

I see a stark difference between that and assisting a foreign government to attack your nation.

I would think that this action is by definition treason. 



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Reply #37 - Jul 12th, 2017 at 3:34pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 3:20pm:
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 1:31pm:
Quote:
Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire
Kiev officials are scrambling to make amends with the president-elect after quietly working to boost Clinton.


Donald Trump wasn’t the only presidential candidate whose campaign was boosted by officials of a former Soviet bloc country.

Ukrainian government officials tried to help Hillary Clinton and undermine Trump by publicly questioning his fitness for office.

They also disseminated documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption and suggested they were investigating the matter, only to back away after the election.

And they helped Clinton’s allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers, a Politico investigation found.


A Ukrainian-American operative who was consulting for the Democratic National Committee met with top officials in the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington in an effort to expose ties between Trump, top campaign aide Paul Manafort and Russia, according to people with direct knowledge of the situation.

The Ukrainian efforts had an impact in the race, helping to force Manafort’s resignation and advancing the narrative that Trump’s campaign was deeply connected to Ukraine’s foe to the east, Russia. But they were far less concerted or centrally directed than Russia’s alleged hacking and dissemination of Democratic emails.


I will assume that groggy, wankend, puddle duck and the politically retarded John Smith and co will be calling treason???

no???


What do you call conspiring with a foreign government in an attack against a US election ?



A bit of harmless fun, Dnarever. Nothing more, nothing less. Mr Trump is above all this petty nonsense - theft of information, election fraud, national sovereignty. That's for betas.

No, Mr Trump is an alpha on the "narrow road to success". You need to break a few eggs to make an omelet. So what?

Mr Trump plans to make Russia great again. What's wrong with that?
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Reply #38 - Jul 12th, 2017 at 3:41pm
 
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 1:25pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 9:38am:
John Smith wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 9:25am:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/8699470-3x2-700x467.jpg


the email in question

lets see mechanic write this off as fake news Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


You can't fool the old pom, John.

He knows you made that in MS Paint.



its clear that you fwits don't know the difference between Donald Trump and DT, jr...

absolute nothing Berger...  Roll Eyes

and btw...

why don't you call out the Democrats for doing the same thing.. and worse???

numbskulls...  Roll Eyes


Is this "fake news", old pom?


...


You didn't say.
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Reply #39 - Jul 12th, 2017 at 4:11pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 3:41pm:
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 1:25pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 9:38am:
John Smith wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 9:25am:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/8699470-3x2-700x467.jpg


the email in question

lets see mechanic write this off as fake news Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


You can't fool the old pom, John.

He knows you made that in MS Paint.



its clear that you fwits don't know the difference between Donald Trump and DT, jr...

absolute nothing Berger...  Roll Eyes

and btw...

why don't you call out the Democrats for doing the same thing.. and worse???

numbskulls...  Roll Eyes


Is this "fake news", old pom?


http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/8699470-3x2-700x467.jpg


You didn't say.


Well, that possibility hasn't been ruled out, Greggery. Has Beavis been convicted and sentenced? Tell me that.

If he hasn't, don't bore the Mechanic with mindless, petty details.

Fck off.
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"The President . . . shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment."

(Article II, Section 2, Clause 1)


The power to pardon is one of the least limited powers granted to the President in the Constitution. The only limits mentioned in the Constitution are that pardons are limited to offenses against the United States (i.e., not civil or state cases), and that they cannot affect an impeachment process. A reprieve is the commutation or lessening of a sentence already imposed; it does not affect the legal guilt of a person. A pardon, however, completely wipes out the legal effects of a conviction. A pardon can be issued from the time an offense is committed, and can even be issued after the full sentence has been served. It cannot, however, be granted before an offense has been committed, which would give the President the power to waive the laws.

The presidential power to pardon was derived from the royal English Prerogative of Kings, which dated from before the Norman invasion. The royal power was absolute, and the king often granted a pardon in exchange for money or military service. Parliament tried unsuccessfully to limit the king's pardon power, and finally it succeeded to some degree in 1701 when it passed the Act of Settlement, which exempted impeachment from the royal pardon power.

During the period of the Articles of Confederation, the state constitutions conferred pardon powers of varying scopes on their governors, but neither the New Jersey Plan nor the Virginia Plan presented at the Constitutional Convention included a pardon power for the chief executive. On May 29, 1787, Charles Pinckney introduced a proposal to give the chief executive the same pardon power as enjoyed by English monarchs, that is, complete power with the exception of impeachment. Some delegates argued that treason should be excluded from the pardon power. George Mason argued that the President's pardon power "may be sometimes exercised to screen from punishment those whom he had secretly instigated to commit the crime and thereby prevent a discovery of his own guilt." James Wilson answered that pardons for treason should be available and successfully argued that the power would be best used by the President. Impeachment was available if the President himself was involved in the treason. A proposal for Senate approval of presidential pardons was also defeated.

The development of the use of the pardon power reflects its several purposes. One purpose is to temper justice with mercy in appropriate cases, and to do justice if new or mitigating evidence comes to bear on a person who may have been wrongfully convicted. Alexander Hamilton reflects this in The Federalist No. 74, in which he argues that "humanity and good policy" require that "the benign prerogative of pardoning" was necessary to mitigate the harsh justice of the criminal code. The pardon power would provide for "exceptions in favor of unfortunate guilt."

Chief Justice John Marshall in United States v. Wilson (1833) also commented on the benign aspects of the pardon power: "A pardon is an act of grace, proceeding from the power entrusted with the execution of the laws, which exempts the individual, on whom it is bestowed from the punishment the law inflicts for a crime he has committed. It is the private, though official act of the executive magistrate…." Another purpose of the pardon power focuses not on obtaining justice for the person pardoned, but rather on the public-policy purposes of the government. For instance, James Wilson argued during the Convention that "pardon before conviction might be necessary in order to obtain the testimony of accomplices." The public-policy purposes of the pardon were echoed by Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes in Biddle v. Perovich (1927): "A pardon in our days is not a private act of grace from an individual happening to possess power. It is a part of the constitutional scheme."........
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Reply #41 - Jul 12th, 2017 at 5:11pm
 
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CONTINUED from the Previous Post
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"The President . . . shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment."

(Article II, Section 2, Clause 1)



.........Pardons have also been used for the broader public-policy purpose of ensuring peace and tranquility in the case of uprisings and to bring peace after internal conflicts. Its use might be needed in such cases. As Alexander Hamilton argued in The Federalist No. 74, "in seasons of insurrection or rebellion there are often critical moments when a well-timed offer of pardon to the insurgents or rebels may restore the tranquility of the commonwealth; and which, if suffered to pass unimproved, it may never be possible afterwards to recall." Presidents have sought to use the pardon power to overcome or mitigate the effects of major crises that afflicted the polity. President George Washington granted an amnesty to those who participated in the Whiskey Rebellion; Presidents Abraham Lincoln and Andrew Johnson issued amnesties to those involved with the Confederates during the Civil War; and Presidents Gerald R. Ford and James Earl Carter granted amnesties to Vietnam-era draft evaders.

The scope of the pardon power remains quite broad, almost plenary. As Justice Stephen Field wrote in Ex parte Garland (1867), "If granted before conviction, it prevents any of the penalties and disabilities consequent upon conviction from attaching [thereto]; if granted after conviction, it removes the penalties and disabilities, and restores him to all his civil rights; it makes him, as it were, a new man, and gives him a new credit and capacity…. A pardon reaches both the punishment prescribed for the offence and the guilt of the offender…so that in the eye of the law the offender is as innocent as if he had never committed the offence." A pardon is valid whether accepted or not, because its purposes are primarily public. It is an official act. According to United States v. Klein (1871), Congress cannot limit the President's grant of an amnesty or pardon, but it can grant other or further amnesties itself. Though pardons have been litigated, the Court has consistently refused to limit the President's discretion. Chief Justice Warren E. Burger, however, in Schick v. Reed (1974), seemed to limit the Court's restraint to pardons under "conditions which do not in themselves offend the Constitution."

The possibility of a President pardoning himself for a crime is not precluded by the explicit language of the Constitution, and, during the summer of 1974, some of President Richard M. Nixon's lawyers argued that it was constitutionally permissible.......
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The power of the President, as you have seen, is vast.

A reasonably imaginative person should be able to easily see how this Constitutional power, combined with some of the President's other Constitutional Powers can "LEGALLY" halt virtually all ongoing investigations, whether he be involved or not.....whether some in Congress likes it or not.......it won't win him heaps of friends across the political aisle, but the Law of the Land gives him this vast power with virtually no limitations......     Wink


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Reply #42 - Jul 12th, 2017 at 5:12pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 12:59pm:
Karnal wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 11:25am:
aquascoot wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 10:51am:
collusion, as in "price fixing" is against the law.
solicitation, as in trump asking the russians to hack, is against the law.

talking to foreign governments and sharing information is in no way illegal . in fact, politicians talk to people all the time and obtain information to stay informed. this is part of walking the path of the "superior man". this is just trump staying the well informed , kick ass, champ dominator that he has strived to be.

tell me, would it be illegal for one of these journalists to talk to a russian and obtain information.
NO!!!
it would be good investigative journalism !!!!


It would indeed, dear, but I'm curious. Do you think it would be illegal for a presidential campaign to collude with a foreign power to hack and release other candidates' private emails?

Would this be the path of the "superior man", or some grub who just wants the job title of president to add to their Twitter posts?


if trump asked russia to hack emails , he is guilty of solicitation.
if russia already hacked them and then alpha male Vlad decides to vibe with a fellow alpha and they discuss hilary , then Trump is merely recieving good intel. nice to see a leader who can vibe with other players who are playing at the elite level.




try accepting a stolen car as a gift from a friend and see how that works out for you!

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Reply #43 - Jul 12th, 2017 at 5:19pm
 
Panther wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 5:11pm:
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..

CONTINUED from the Previous Post
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"The President . . . shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment."

(Article II, Section 2, Clause 1)



.........Pardons have also been used for the broader public-policy purpose of ensuring peace and tranquility in the case of uprisings and to bring peace after internal conflicts. Its use might be needed in such cases. As Alexander Hamilton argued in The Federalist No. 74, "in seasons of insurrection or rebellion there are often critical moments when a well-timed offer of pardon to the insurgents or rebels may restore the tranquility of the commonwealth; and which, if suffered to pass unimproved, it may never be possible afterwards to recall." Presidents have sought to use the pardon power to overcome or mitigate the effects of major crises that afflicted the polity. President George Washington granted an amnesty to those who participated in the Whiskey Rebellion; Presidents Abraham Lincoln and Andrew Johnson issued amnesties to those involved with the Confederates during the Civil War; and Presidents Gerald R. Ford and James Earl Carter granted amnesties to Vietnam-era draft evaders.

The scope of the pardon power remains quite broad, almost plenary. As Justice Stephen Field wrote in Ex parte Garland (1867), "If granted before conviction, it prevents any of the penalties and disabilities consequent upon conviction from attaching [thereto]; if granted after conviction, it removes the penalties and disabilities, and restores him to all his civil rights; it makes him, as it were, a new man, and gives him a new credit and capacity…. A pardon reaches both the punishment prescribed for the offence and the guilt of the offender…so that in the eye of the law the offender is as innocent as if he had never committed the offence." A pardon is valid whether accepted or not, because its purposes are primarily public. It is an official act. According to United States v. Klein (1871), Congress cannot limit the President's grant of an amnesty or pardon, but it can grant other or further amnesties itself. Though pardons have been litigated, the Court has consistently refused to limit the President's discretion. Chief Justice Warren E. Burger, however, in Schick v. Reed (1974), seemed to limit the Court's restraint to pardons under "conditions which do not in themselves offend the Constitution."

The possibility of a President pardoning himself for a crime is not precluded by the explicit language of the Constitution, and, during the summer of 1974, some of President Richard M. Nixon's lawyers argued that it was constitutionally permissible.......
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The power of the President, as you have seen, is vast.

A reasonably imaginative person should be able to easily see how this Constitutional power, combined with some of the President's other Constitutional Powers can "LEGALLY" halt virtually all ongoing investigations, whether he be involved or not.....whether some in Congress likes it or not Wink




ask Watergate prosecutors about your claim. They literally got Nixon thrown out of office because of this.

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longweekend58 wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 5:19pm:
Panther wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 5:11pm:
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..

CONTINUED from the Previous Post
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"The President . . . shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment."

(Article II, Section 2, Clause 1)



...Pardons have also been used for the broader public-policy purpose of ensuring peace and tranquility in the case of uprisings and to bring peace after internal conflicts. Its use might be needed in such cases. As Alexander Hamilton argued in The Federalist No. 74, "in seasons of insurrection or rebellion there are often critical moments when a well-timed offer of pardon to the insurgents or rebels may restore the tranquility of the commonwealth; and which, if suffered to pass unimproved, it may never be possible afterwards to recall." Presidents have sought to use the pardon power to overcome or mitigate the effects of major crises that afflicted the polity. President George Washington granted an amnesty to those who participated in the Whiskey Rebellion; Presidents Abraham Lincoln and Andrew Johnson issued amnesties to those involved with the Confederates during the Civil War; and Presidents Gerald R. Ford and James Earl Carter granted amnesties to Vietnam-era draft evaders.

The scope of the pardon power remains quite broad, almost plenary. As Justice Stephen Field wrote in Ex parte Garland (1867), "If granted before conviction, it prevents any of the penalties and disabilities consequent upon conviction from attaching [thereto]; if granted after conviction, it removes the penalties and disabilities, and restores him to all his civil rights; it makes him, as it were, a new man, and gives him a new credit and capacity…. A pardon reaches both the punishment prescribed for the offence and the guilt of the offender…so that in the eye of the law the offender is as innocent as if he had never committed the offence." A pardon is valid whether accepted or not, because its purposes are primarily public. It is an official act. According to United States v. Klein (1871), Congress cannot limit the President's grant of an amnesty or pardon, but it can grant other or further amnesties itself. Though pardons have been litigated, the Court has consistently refused to limit the President's discretion. Chief Justice Warren E. Burger, however, in Schick v. Reed (1974), seemed to limit the Court's restraint to pardons under "conditions which do not in themselves offend the Constitution."

The possibility of a President pardoning himself for a crime is not precluded by the explicit language of the Constitution, and, during the summer of 1974, some of President Richard M. Nixon's lawyers argued that it was constitutionally permissible.....
continued





The power of the President, as you have seen, is vast.

A reasonably imaginative person should be able to easily see how this Constitutional power, combined with some of the President's other Constitutional Powers can "LEGALLY" halt virtually all ongoing investigations, whether he be involved or not.....whether some in Congress likes it or not.......it won't win him heaps of friends across the political aisle, but the Law of the Land gives him this vast power with virtually no limitations....  Wink




ask Watergate prosecutors about your claim. They literally got Nixon thrown out of office because of this.

idiot


I temporarily removed my 'Personal Ignore' (javascript I run through a fork of GreaseMonkey, which keeps me from seeing your posts in their entirety), because I just had to see your response.

You responded exactly like the Constitutionally ignorant slug you are, typical of one severely afflicted with cretinism.

And, as always, you have nothing/can provide nothing to support the validity of your statement, not just because you have nothing....you never do......but because you're so ignorant it's obvious you didn't even know that Nixon wasn't thrown out of office.

Actually, President Nixon resigned with all the perks of a President who faithfully served his country full term as President.

Not only that, he received a full pardon.....in advance of any criminal charges.........from his friend President Gerald Ford, who succeeded to the Presidency with Nixon's resignation.

Now, if President Trump wanted to "LEGALLY" ....via his Constitutional Powers.... "LEGALLY" stop all this Collusion BS, all he needs to do is Pardon each & every person from his Election Team in advance, then call Mueller into the Oval Office & tell him to immediately stop all his ongoing investigations into Russian Collusion & Election Tampering, & if Mueller balks......just fire him outright.

If he did this, I would think that it would be political suicide, but "legally", Pres Trump (or any sitting President for that matter) has this power.
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