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Reply #45 - Jul 12th, 2017 at 6:25pm
 
I seem that Panther and co are actively trying to support a traitor in the while house.

Pointing out that a President can pardon anyone convicted of a federal crime is hardly taking the high moral ground.

Saying that we do not care that the US administration consists of a bunch of traitors to the nation is far from a good look.

You people are saying so now we all know that they are guilty so what you going to do about it. Not a good look now is it.
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Reply #46 - Jul 12th, 2017 at 6:46pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 6:25pm:
I seem that Panther and co are actively trying to support a traitor in the while house.

Pointing out that a President can pardon anyone convicted of a federal crime is hardly taking the high moral ground.

Saying that we do not care that the US administration consists of a bunch of traitors to the nation is far from a good look.

You people are saying so now we all know that they are guilty so what you going to do about it. Not a good look now is it.


Not only pardon the convicted, but "Pardon in advance of even being charged"


It's politics, & it's been played before, but being unaware of American History, you probably don't know.

In the end......saying the President has the power, doesn't even remotely suggest he intends to use it.....as I said I think it would be political suicide if he did use it.....I strongly doubt he will ever have to use his full political powers.

My reason for outlining his powers was merely to highlight he has one of his most powerful tools in American Politics.....he has Political leverage, if push came to shove so to speak. Wink

Now, if you intend on saying that Trump has committed treason, you are out of your black feathered mind, unless...like I said in another post....unless he sold the nuclear codes, or the secret location of over 1,000 hidden nuclear submarine bases around the world, as a spy, to a country America is at war with. Treason is the only crime definde in the US Constitution. (look up treason in the American Law)
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Reply #47 - Jul 12th, 2017 at 7:41pm
 
Panther wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 5:10pm:
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Source:      
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"The President . . . shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment."

(Article II, Section 2, Clause 1)


The power to pardon is one of the least limited powers granted to the President in the Constitution. The only limits mentioned in the Constitution are that pardons are limited to offenses against the United States (i.e., not civil or state cases), and that they cannot affect an impeachment process. A reprieve is the commutation or lessening of a sentence already imposed; it does not affect the legal guilt of a person. A pardon, however, completely wipes out the legal effects of a conviction. A pardon can be issued from the time an offense is committed, and can even be issued after the full sentence has been served. It cannot, however, be granted before an offense has been committed, which would give the President the power to waive the laws.

The presidential power to pardon was derived from the royal English Prerogative of Kings, which dated from before the Norman invasion. The royal power was absolute, and the king often granted a pardon in exchange for money or military service. Parliament tried unsuccessfully to limit the king's pardon power, and finally it succeeded to some degree in 1701 when it passed the Act of Settlement, which exempted impeachment from the royal pardon power.

During the period of the Articles of Confederation, the state constitutions conferred pardon powers of varying scopes on their governors, but neither the New Jersey Plan nor the Virginia Plan presented at the Constitutional Convention included a pardon power for the chief executive. On May 29, 1787, Charles Pinckney introduced a proposal to give the chief executive the same pardon power as enjoyed by English monarchs, that is, complete power with the exception of impeachment. Some delegates argued that treason should be excluded from the pardon power. George Mason argued that the President's pardon power "may be sometimes exercised to screen from punishment those whom he had secretly instigated to commit the crime and thereby prevent a discovery of his own guilt." James Wilson answered that pardons for treason should be available and successfully argued that the power would be best used by the President. Impeachment was available if the President himself was involved in the treason. A proposal for Senate approval of presidential pardons was also defeated.

The development of the use of the pardon power reflects its several purposes. One purpose is to temper justice with mercy in appropriate cases, and to do justice if new or mitigating evidence comes to bear on a person who may have been wrongfully convicted. Alexander Hamilton reflects this in The Federalist No. 74, in which he argues that "humanity and good policy" require that "the benign prerogative of pardoning" was necessary to mitigate the harsh justice of the criminal code. The pardon power would provide for "exceptions in favor of unfortunate guilt."

Chief Justice John Marshall in United States v. Wilson (1833) also commented on the benign aspects of the pardon power: "A pardon is an act of grace, proceeding from the power entrusted with the execution of the laws, which exempts the individual, on whom it is bestowed from the punishment the law inflicts for a crime he has committed. It is the private, though official act of the executive magistrate…." Another purpose of the pardon power focuses not on obtaining justice for the person pardoned, but rather on the public-policy purposes of the government. For instance, James Wilson argued during the Convention that "pardon before conviction might be necessary in order to obtain the testimony of accomplices." The public-policy purposes of the pardon were echoed by Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes in Biddle v. Perovich (1927): "A pardon in our days is not a private act of grace from an individual happening to possess power. It is a part of the constitutional scheme."........
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Exactly. You take that, leftards. More rules about impeachment.

Remember, if the president or his family does it, it's not a crime.

LOCK HER UP.
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Reply #48 - Jul 12th, 2017 at 7:43pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 6:25pm:
I seem that Panther and co are actively trying to support a traitor in the while house.

Pointing out that a President can pardon anyone convicted of a federal crime is hardly taking the high moral ground.

Saying that we do not care that the US administration consists of a bunch of traitors to the nation is far from a good look.

You people are saying so now we all know that they are guilty so what you going to do about it. Not a good look now is it.


Yes, but Mr Trump will build a wall.

It's all good.
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Reply #49 - Jul 12th, 2017 at 7:50pm
 
Panther wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 6:46pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 6:25pm:
I seem that Panther and co are actively trying to support a traitor in the while house.

Pointing out that a President can pardon anyone convicted of a federal crime is hardly taking the high moral ground.

Saying that we do not care that the US administration consists of a bunch of traitors to the nation is far from a good look.

You people are saying so now we all know that they are guilty so what you going to do about it. Not a good look now is it.


Not only pardon the convicted, but "Pardon in advance of even being charged"


It's politics, & it's been played before, but being unaware of American History, you probably don't know.

In the end......saying the President has the power, doesn't even remotely suggest he intends to use it.....as I said I think it would be political suicide if he did use it.....I strongly doubt he will ever have to use his full political powers.

My reason for outlining his powers was merely to highlight he has one of his most powerful tools in American Politics.....he has Political leverage, if push came to shove so to speak. Wink

Now, if you intend on saying that Trump has committed treason, you are out of your black feathered mind, unless...like I said in another post....unless he sold the nuclear codes, or the secret location of over 1,000 hidden nuclear submarine bases around the world, as a spy, to a country America is at war with. Treason is the only crime definde in the US Constitution. (look up treason in the American Law)


Actually, it has NEVER been done. Pardoning a crime has been, but not simply a blanket 'cover-all'

you are also a moral disgrace,  defending criminals no matter what they do - as long as they are TRump and co.

But we are getting the last laugh as several Trump family are headed to jail, including Agent Orange.
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Reply #50 - Jul 12th, 2017 at 7:59pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 7:50pm:
Panther wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 6:46pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 6:25pm:
I seem that Panther and co are actively trying to support a traitor in the while house.

Pointing out that a President can pardon anyone convicted of a federal crime is hardly taking the high moral ground.

Saying that we do not care that the US administration consists of a bunch of traitors to the nation is far from a good look.

You people are saying so now we all know that they are guilty so what you going to do about it. Not a good look now is it.


Not only pardon the convicted, but "Pardon in advance of even being charged"


It's politics, & it's been played before, but being unaware of American History, you probably don't know.

In the end......saying the President has the power, doesn't even remotely suggest he intends to use it.....as I said I think it would be political suicide if he did use it.....I strongly doubt he will ever have to use his full political powers.

My reason for outlining his powers was merely to highlight he has one of his most powerful tools in American Politics.....he has Political leverage, if push came to shove so to speak. Wink

Now, if you intend on saying that Trump has committed treason, you are out of your black feathered mind, unless...like I said in another post....unless he sold the nuclear codes, or the secret location of over 1,000 hidden nuclear submarine bases around the world, as a spy, to a country America is at war with. Treason is the only crime definde in the US Constitution. (look up treason in the American Law)


Actually, it has NEVER been done. Pardoning a crime has been, but not simply a blanket 'cover-all'

you are also a moral disgrace,  defending criminals no matter what they do - as long as they are TRump and co.

But we are getting the last laugh as several Trump family are headed to jail, including Agent Orange.


Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

No crimes have been committed. (the amended disclosure statements pertaining to security clearances have been accepted & entered by the Trump Administration's Justice Department)


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Reply #51 - Jul 12th, 2017 at 8:09pm
 
Panther wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 7:59pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 7:50pm:
Panther wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 6:46pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 6:25pm:
I seem that Panther and co are actively trying to support a traitor in the while house.

Pointing out that a President can pardon anyone convicted of a federal crime is hardly taking the high moral ground.

Saying that we do not care that the US administration consists of a bunch of traitors to the nation is far from a good look.

You people are saying so now we all know that they are guilty so what you going to do about it. Not a good look now is it.


Not only pardon the convicted, but "Pardon in advance of even being charged"


It's politics, & it's been played before, but being unaware of American History, you probably don't know.

In the end......saying the President has the power, doesn't even remotely suggest he intends to use it.....as I said I think it would be political suicide if he did use it.....I strongly doubt he will ever have to use his full political powers.

My reason for outlining his powers was merely to highlight he has one of his most powerful tools in American Politics.....he has Political leverage, if push came to shove so to speak. Wink

Now, if you intend on saying that Trump has committed treason, you are out of your black feathered mind, unless...like I said in another post....unless he sold the nuclear codes, or the secret location of over 1,000 hidden nuclear submarine bases around the world, as a spy, to a country America is at war with. Treason is the only crime definde in the US Constitution. (look up treason in the American Law)


Actually, it has NEVER been done. Pardoning a crime has been, but not simply a blanket 'cover-all'

you are also a moral disgrace,  defending criminals no matter what they do - as long as they are TRump and co.

But we are getting the last laugh as several Trump family are headed to jail, including Agent Orange.


Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

No crimes have been committed. (the amended disclosure statements pertaining to security clearances have been accepted & entered by the Trump Administration's Justice Department)


Next.......  Wink



It's an offence to lie on a security clearance application. This is written all over the Australian government forms I've signed, and I imagine it's the same in the US.

After all, this is a high level White House security clearance. Why would it be legal to lie on your application?

How many times has senior advisor Jared Kushner had to alter his?
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Reply #52 - Jul 12th, 2017 at 8:21pm
 
Panther wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 6:46pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 6:25pm:
I seem that Panther and co are actively trying to support a traitor in the while house.

Pointing out that a President can pardon anyone convicted of a federal crime is hardly taking the high moral ground.

Saying that we do not care that the US administration consists of a bunch of traitors to the nation is far from a good look.

You people are saying so now we all know that they are guilty so what you going to do about it. Not a good look now is it.


Not only pardon the convicted, but "Pardon in advance of even being charged"


It's politics, & it's been played before, but being unaware of American History, you probably don't know.

In the end......saying the President has the power, doesn't even remotely suggest he intends to use it.....as I said I think it would be political suicide if he did use it.....I strongly doubt he will ever have to use his full political powers.

My reason for outlining his powers was merely to highlight he has one of his most powerful tools in American Politics.....he has Political leverage, if push came to shove so to speak. Wink

Now, if you intend on saying that Trump has committed treason, you are out of your black feathered mind, unless...like I said in another post....unless he sold the nuclear codes, or the secret location of over 1,000 hidden nuclear submarine bases around the world, as a spy, to a country America is at war with. Treason is the only crime definde in the US Constitution. (look up treason in the American Law)


So you are saying that supporting an attack on America does not constitute treason unless their is a declared war and this means that Trump and co are only liable to breaches of the Espionage and sedition act.


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However, Congress has passed laws creating related offenses that punish conduct that undermines the government or the
national security
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such as sedition in the 1798 Alien and Sedition Acts, or espionage and sedition in the Espionage Act of 1917, which do not require the testimony of two witnesses and have a much broader definition than Article Three treason. Some of these laws are still in effect. Some well-known spies have been convicted of espionage rather than treason.
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Reply #53 - Jul 12th, 2017 at 9:33pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 8:09pm:
Panther wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 7:59pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 7:50pm:
Panther wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 6:46pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 6:25pm:
I seem that Panther and co are actively trying to support a traitor in the while house.

Pointing out that a President can pardon anyone convicted of a federal crime is hardly taking the high moral ground.

Saying that we do not care that the US administration consists of a bunch of traitors to the nation is far from a good look.

You people are saying so now we all know that they are guilty so what you going to do about it. Not a good look now is it.


Not only pardon the convicted, but "Pardon in advance of even being charged"


It's politics, & it's been played before, but being unaware of American History, you probably don't know.

In the end......saying the President has the power, doesn't even remotely suggest he intends to use it.....as I said I think it would be political suicide if he did use it.....I strongly doubt he will ever have to use his full political powers.

My reason for outlining his powers was merely to highlight he has one of his most powerful tools in American Politics.....he has Political leverage, if push came to shove so to speak. Wink

Now, if you intend on saying that Trump has committed treason, you are out of your black feathered mind, unless...like I said in another post....unless he sold the nuclear codes, or the secret location of over 1,000 hidden nuclear submarine bases around the world, as a spy, to a country America is at war with. Treason is the only crime definde in the US Constitution. (look up treason in the American Law)


Actually, it has NEVER been done. Pardoning a crime has been, but not simply a blanket 'cover-all'

you are also a moral disgrace,  defending criminals no matter what they do - as long as they are TRump and co.

But we are getting the last laugh as several Trump family are headed to jail, including Agent Orange.


Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

No crimes have been committed. (the amended disclosure statements pertaining to security clearances have been accepted & entered by the Trump Administration's Justice Department)


Next.......  Wink



It's an offence to lie on a security clearance application. This is written all over the Australian government forms I've signed, and I imagine it's the same in the US.

After all, this is a high level White House security clearance. Why would it be legal to lie on your application?

How many times has senior advisor Jared Kushner had to alter his?


If the Trump Administration's Justice Department (who all serve at the pleasure of the President) is willing to accept the reasons for the omission(s) & the correction(s) rather than prosecute, it's their call I would think.  Wink
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Reply #54 - Jul 12th, 2017 at 9:37pm
 
Panther wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 9:33pm:
Karnal wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 8:09pm:
Panther wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 7:59pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 7:50pm:
Panther wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 6:46pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 6:25pm:
I seem that Panther and co are actively trying to support a traitor in the while house.

Pointing out that a President can pardon anyone convicted of a federal crime is hardly taking the high moral ground.

Saying that we do not care that the US administration consists of a bunch of traitors to the nation is far from a good look.

You people are saying so now we all know that they are guilty so what you going to do about it. Not a good look now is it.


Not only pardon the convicted, but "Pardon in advance of even being charged"


It's politics, & it's been played before, but being unaware of American History, you probably don't know.

In the end......saying the President has the power, doesn't even remotely suggest he intends to use it.....as I said I think it would be political suicide if he did use it.....I strongly doubt he will ever have to use his full political powers.

My reason for outlining his powers was merely to highlight he has one of his most powerful tools in American Politics.....he has Political leverage, if push came to shove so to speak. Wink

Now, if you intend on saying that Trump has committed treason, you are out of your black feathered mind, unless...like I said in another post....unless he sold the nuclear codes, or the secret location of over 1,000 hidden nuclear submarine bases around the world, as a spy, to a country America is at war with. Treason is the only crime definde in the US Constitution. (look up treason in the American Law)


Actually, it has NEVER been done. Pardoning a crime has been, but not simply a blanket 'cover-all'

you are also a moral disgrace,  defending criminals no matter what they do - as long as they are TRump and co.

But we are getting the last laugh as several Trump family are headed to jail, including Agent Orange.


Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

No crimes have been committed. (the amended disclosure statements pertaining to security clearances have been accepted & entered by the Trump Administration's Justice Department)


Next.......  Wink



It's an offence to lie on a security clearance application. This is written all over the Australian government forms I've signed, and I imagine it's the same in the US.

After all, this is a high level White House security clearance. Why would it be legal to lie on your application?

How many times has senior advisor Jared Kushner had to alter his?


If the Trump Administration's Justice Department (who all serve at the pleasure of the President) is willing to accept the reasons for the omission(s) & the correction(s) rather than prosecute, it's their call I would think.  Wink


Good to know, Panther. Will you use the same logic if the Justice Department (all paid by and serving at the mercy of the president) decide to prosecute?
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Reply #55 - Jul 12th, 2017 at 9:55pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 9:37pm:
Panther wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 9:33pm:
Karnal wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 8:09pm:
Panther wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 7:59pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 7:50pm:
Panther wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 6:46pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 6:25pm:
I seem that Panther and co are actively trying to support a traitor in the while house.

Pointing out that a President can pardon anyone convicted of a federal crime is hardly taking the high moral ground.

Saying that we do not care that the US administration consists of a bunch of traitors to the nation is far from a good look.

You people are saying so now we all know that they are guilty so what you going to do about it. Not a good look now is it.


Not only pardon the convicted, but "Pardon in advance of even being charged"


It's politics, & it's been played before, but being unaware of American History, you probably don't know.

In the end......saying the President has the power, doesn't even remotely suggest he intends to use it.....as I said I think it would be political suicide if he did use it.....I strongly doubt he will ever have to use his full political powers.

My reason for outlining his powers was merely to highlight he has one of his most powerful tools in American Politics.....he has Political leverage, if push came to shove so to speak. Wink

Now, if you intend on saying that Trump has committed treason, you are out of your black feathered mind, unless...like I said in another post....unless he sold the nuclear codes, or the secret location of over 1,000 hidden nuclear submarine bases around the world, as a spy, to a country America is at war with. Treason is the only crime definde in the US Constitution. (look up treason in the American Law)


Actually, it has NEVER been done. Pardoning a crime has been, but not simply a blanket 'cover-all'

you are also a moral disgrace,  defending criminals no matter what they do - as long as they are TRump and co.

But we are getting the last laugh as several Trump family are headed to jail, including Agent Orange.


Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

No crimes have been committed. (the amended disclosure statements pertaining to security clearances have been accepted & entered by the Trump Administration's Justice Department)


Next.......  Wink



It's an offence to lie on a security clearance application. This is written all over the Australian government forms I've signed, and I imagine it's the same in the US.

After all, this is a high level White House security clearance. Why would it be legal to lie on your application?

How many times has senior advisor Jared Kushner had to alter his?


If the Trump Administration's Justice Department (who all serve at the pleasure of the President) is willing to accept the reasons for the omission(s) & the correction(s) rather than prosecute, it's their call I would think.  Wink


Good to know, Panther. Will you use the same logic if the Justice Department (all paid by and serving at the mercy of the president) decide to prosecute?


You tell me the odds of that happening after you balance 3 baby elephants on the head of a pin in a wind tunnel.....


Especially.........when the Trump Administration's Justice Department (who all serve at the pleasure of the President) was willing to accept the reasons for the omission(s) & the correction(s). Wink

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Reply #56 - Jul 12th, 2017 at 10:06pm
 
Mr Trump's Department Of Justice is currently investigating him, Panther. We'll wait and see, shall we?

Let's hope they don't drain the swamp too much. Maybe they can just lock up a few low-level nobodies. That could work.

All this swamp-draining must be giving poor old Mr Trump's Justice Department a headache, no?
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Reply #57 - Jul 12th, 2017 at 10:18pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 10:06pm:
Mr Trump's Department Of Justice is currently investigating him, Panther. We'll wait and see, shall we?

Let's hope they don't drain the swamp too much. Maybe they can just lock up a few low-level nobodies. That could work.

All this swamp-draining must be giving poor old Mr Trump's Justice Department a headache, no?


Yes, but in the end, being that the DOJ employees all ultimately answers to the President....the Chief Executive...they take their directions from the President..............that includes, & this will break your sweet lil heart, that includes Mr. Mueller too. Wink


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Reply #58 - Jul 12th, 2017 at 10:20pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 9:37pm:
Panther wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 9:33pm:
Karnal wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 8:09pm:
Panther wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 7:59pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 7:50pm:
Panther wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 6:46pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 6:25pm:
I seem that Panther and co are actively trying to support a traitor in the while house.

Pointing out that a President can pardon anyone convicted of a federal crime is hardly taking the high moral ground.

Saying that we do not care that the US administration consists of a bunch of traitors to the nation is far from a good look.

You people are saying so now we all know that they are guilty so what you going to do about it. Not a good look now is it.


Not only pardon the convicted, but "Pardon in advance of even being charged"


It's politics, & it's been played before, but being unaware of American History, you probably don't know.

In the end......saying the President has the power, doesn't even remotely suggest he intends to use it.....as I said I think it would be political suicide if he did use it.....I strongly doubt he will ever have to use his full political powers.

My reason for outlining his powers was merely to highlight he has one of his most powerful tools in American Politics.....he has Political leverage, if push came to shove so to speak. Wink

Now, if you intend on saying that Trump has committed treason, you are out of your black feathered mind, unless...like I said in another post....unless he sold the nuclear codes, or the secret location of over 1,000 hidden nuclear submarine bases around the world, as a spy, to a country America is at war with. Treason is the only crime definde in the US Constitution. (look up treason in the American Law)


Actually, it has NEVER been done. Pardoning a crime has been, but not simply a blanket 'cover-all'

you are also a moral disgrace,  defending criminals no matter what they do - as long as they are TRump and co.

But we are getting the last laugh as several Trump family are headed to jail, including Agent Orange.


Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

No crimes have been committed. (the amended disclosure statements pertaining to security clearances have been accepted & entered by the Trump Administration's Justice Department)


Next.......  Wink



It's an offence to lie on a security clearance application. This is written all over the Australian government forms I've signed, and I imagine it's the same in the US.

After all, this is a high level White House security clearance. Why would it be legal to lie on your application?

How many times has senior advisor Jared Kushner had to alter his?


If the Trump Administration's Justice Department (who all serve at the pleasure of the President) is willing to accept the reasons for the omission(s) & the correction(s) rather than prosecute, it's their call I would think.  Wink


Good to know, Panther. Will you use the same logic if the Justice Department (all paid by and serving at the mercy of the president) decide to prosecute?


Don't be silly it can not happen as with the FBI and Comey if they look like progressing the investigation they get the sack. Nobody not controlled by Trump will be allowed to investigate anything to do with this topic.
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Re: Russian/Trump collusion proven...
Reply #59 - Jul 12th, 2017 at 10:21pm
 
Panther wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 10:18pm:
Karnal wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 10:06pm:
Mr Trump's Department Of Justice is currently investigating him, Panther. We'll wait and see, shall we?

Let's hope they don't drain the swamp too much. Maybe they can just lock up a few low-level nobodies. That could work.

All this swamp-draining must be giving poor old Mr Trump's Justice Department a headache, no?


Yes, but in the end, being that the DOJ employees all ultimately answers to the President....the Chief Executive...they take their directions from the President. Wink




Good point. That must mean Mr Trump can issue one of his famous executive orders and make all this go away.

Why doesn't he, do you think?
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