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Reply #90 - Jul 13^th, 2017 at 4:05pm

Panther wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 3:22pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 1:40pm:

Here is the law Donald Trump Junior, Jared Kushner and Paul Manafort are alleged to have broke:

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A federal law, Section 30121 of Title 52, makes it a crime for any foreigner to contribute or donate money or some “other thing of value” in connection with an American election, or for anyone to solicit a foreigner to do so.

Very good, very good......but no cigar on this one.....well, not yet anyway.

Section 30121 of Title 52's 'original intent' was to eliminate the possibility of foreign money/contributions/currency being used to corrupt the individuals foreign governments contribute to in that they would then owe 'access' to foreign entities in the day to day workings of the US government.

Bottom line the original intent was regarding "Financial" investment into American Elections creating Foreign pathways into the US Government itself.

The “other thing of value” was meant to define other things of "monetary value", not merely a physical or intellectual item of value.

Now, lately many lawyers allude to this phrase as "possibly" being used to define "information" as an item of value.

This definition has never been used in any criminal proceeding where Section 30121 of Title 52 was cited.

There is no "legal precedent" for using "information" as a basis of criminal activity in regards to Foreign intrusions into American Electoral undertakings via Section 30121 of Title 52.

So, there may be some court somewhere willing to break 'new ground' to use Section 30121 of Title 52 in this fashion, someday, but to use it as an argument for high level criminal activity is far from likely......that is, but not until, a "bona fide" precedent can be cited to allow legal debate on the issue before the court.

All true. Mr Trump's team won't be charged with this, Panther - that's nothing. Meuller is gathering evidence on the Trump team's collusion with a foreign power to undermine US interests. He's getting it too, as we're seeing.

But I'm curious. Regardless of the law, what do you think of a candidate for US president being deeply involved with a foreign power who stole information to help him win? What do you think of 5 of his senior staffers (and son) lying about this involvement on their security clearances?

We know you believe this is not a good look because you said Donald Trump Junior didn't want news of his meeting getting out. You obviously think there's something dodgy about all this, so why do you condone it? Even Donald Junior said it was the wrong thing to do.

What is it about Mr Trump that you want to keep excusing him? What qualities do you value? It can't be his anti-corruption swamp-draining pitch, or his making America (rather than Russia) great line. You know Mr Trump is shifty and prioritizes Russia's interests.

What is it, Panther?

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Reply #91 - Jul 13^th, 2017 at 4:15pm

Panther wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 3:30pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 2:02pm:

......The problem here is that the outcome was substantially different from the story these guys tell.

The information was not passed to the Trump team for their use.

The trump team had colluded with the Russian government to undermine the US election. The method which is known was that the Russians to separate themselves from the process and sabotaged the US election by releasing stolen information through wikileaks and that the Trump team had become involved in the process.

Remember that the same evening as this meeting Donald Trump came out saying that information damaging to Hillary was about to be released in the coming weeks. It was released.

The trump team had been party to this process.

The problem isn't that the Trump team were given the information but that they were party to the process in which the Russians attacked or sabotaged the US election......

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[size=12][font=Georgia][i]Sorry, a citation is required to corroborate those overreaching & legally undocumented assertions. Thanks

No, it's not. You're just stalling, Panther. You know as well as we do that the Trump campaign was deeply entrenched with the Russians. The evidence keeps oozing out.

You might as well do a Richdude and say, so what if they ARE in with the Russians?

Democracy is overrated anyway.

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Reply #92 - Jul 13^th, 2017 at 4:23pm

Karnal wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 4:05pm:

Panther wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 3:22pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 1:40pm:

Here is the law Donald Trump Junior, Jared Kushner and Paul Manafort are alleged to have broke:

Quote:

A federal law, Section 30121 of Title 52, makes it a crime for any foreigner to contribute or donate money or some “other thing of value” in connection with an American election, or for anyone to solicit a foreigner to do so.

Very good, very good......but no cigar on this one.....well, not yet anyway.

Section 30121 of Title 52's 'original intent' was to eliminate the possibility of foreign money/contributions/currency being used to corrupt the individuals foreign governments contribute to in that they would then owe 'access' to foreign entities in the day to day workings of the US government.

Bottom line the original intent was regarding "Financial" investment into American Elections creating Foreign pathways into the US Government itself.

The “other thing of value” was meant to define other things of "monetary value", not merely a physical or intellectual item of value.

Now, lately many lawyers allude to this phrase as "possibly" being used to define "information" as an item of value.

This definition has never been used in any criminal proceeding where Section 30121 of Title 52 was cited.

There is no "legal precedent" for using "information" as a basis of criminal activity in regards to Foreign intrusions into American Electoral undertakings via Section 30121 of Title 52.

So, there may be some court somewhere willing to break 'new ground' to use Section 30121 of Title 52 in this fashion, someday, but to use it as an argument for high level criminal activity is far from likely......that is, but not until, a "bona fide" precedent can be cited to allow legal debate on the issue before the court.

All true. Mr Trump's team won't be charged with this, Panther - that's nothing. Meuller is gathering evidence on the Trump team's collusion with a foreign power to undermine US interests. He's getting it too, as we're seeing.

But I'm curious. Regardless of the law, what do you think of a candidate for US president being deeply involved with a foreign power who stole information to help him win? What do you think of 5 of his senior staffers (and son) lying about this involvement on their security clearances?

We know you believe this is not a good look because you said Donald Trump Junior didn't want news of his meeting getting out. You obviously think there's something dodgy about all this, so why do you condone it? Even Donald Junior said it was the wrong thing to do.

What is it about Mr Trump that you want to keep excusing him? What qualities do you value? It can't be his anti-corruption swamp-draining pitch, or his making America (rather than Russia) great line. You know Mr Trump is shifty and prioritizes Russia's interests.

What is it, Panther?

In past US elections, since the 18th century, both local & national, virtually any candidate if offered illegally acquired information that would give him or her a distinct advantage with the electorate, would seriously consider accepting it, & if accepted would use it...

It has always been an acceptable part of American Politics.

Whether it be from a good friend from the local civic club, or a foreign VIP, it makes no difference.

Winning is everything in American Politics.

All is fair in love & war......Elections = War.....

Oh, & importantly to this discussion, in American law it is not illegal to use the information, no matter how it was obtained, as long as you....the eventual user of said information....had nothing to do with any illegal actions to directly, & illegally, gather, steal, or borrow said information.

If Congress or the American people don't like it, & I would think they don't, then instead of gumming it to death....talk is cheap....they should join with the lawmakers to make new laws outlawing these specific activities.

The only problem they may encounter is that most of all this is probably protected by the First Amendment.....Freedom of Speech....Freedom of the Press...& with it all the freedom of association.

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Reply #93 - Jul 13^th, 2017 at 4:30pm

Panther wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 4:23pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 4:05pm:

Panther wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 3:22pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 1:40pm:

Here is the law Donald Trump Junior, Jared Kushner and Paul Manafort are alleged to have broke:

Quote:

A federal law, Section 30121 of Title 52, makes it a crime for any foreigner to contribute or donate money or some “other thing of value” in connection with an American election, or for anyone to solicit a foreigner to do so.

Very good, very good......but no cigar on this one.....well, not yet anyway.

Section 30121 of Title 52's 'original intent' was to eliminate the possibility of foreign money/contributions/currency being used to corrupt the individuals foreign governments contribute to in that they would then owe 'access' to foreign entities in the day to day workings of the US government.

Bottom line the original intent was regarding "Financial" investment into American Elections creating Foreign pathways into the US Government itself.

The “other thing of value” was meant to define other things of "monetary value", not merely a physical or intellectual item of value.

Now, lately many lawyers allude to this phrase as "possibly" being used to define "information" as an item of value.

This definition has never been used in any criminal proceeding where Section 30121 of Title 52 was cited.

There is no "legal precedent" for using "information" as a basis of criminal activity in regards to Foreign intrusions into American Electoral undertakings via Section 30121 of Title 52.

So, there may be some court somewhere willing to break 'new ground' to use Section 30121 of Title 52 in this fashion, someday, but to use it as an argument for high level criminal activity is far from likely......that is, but not until, a "bona fide" precedent can be cited to allow legal debate on the issue before the court.

All true. Mr Trump's team won't be charged with this, Panther - that's nothing. Meuller is gathering evidence on the Trump team's collusion with a foreign power to undermine US interests. He's getting it too, as we're seeing.

But I'm curious. Regardless of the law, what do you think of a candidate for US president being deeply involved with a foreign power who stole information to help him win? What do you think of 5 of his senior staffers (and son) lying about this involvement on their security clearances?

We know you believe this is not a good look because you said Donald Trump Junior didn't want news of his meeting getting out. You obviously think there's something dodgy about all this, so why do you condone it? Even Donald Junior said it was the wrong thing to do.

What is it about Mr Trump that you want to keep excusing him? What qualities do you value? It can't be his anti-corruption swamp-draining pitch, or his making America (rather than Russia) great line. You know Mr Trump is shifty and prioritizes Russia's interests.

What is it, Panther?

In past US elections, since the 18th century, both local & national, virtually any candidate if offered illegally acquired information that would give him or her a distinct advantage with the electorate, would seriously consider accepting it, & if accepted would use it...

It has always been an acceptable part of American Politics.

Whether it be from a good friend from the local civic club, or a foreign VIP, it makes no difference.

Winning is everything in American Politics.

All is fair in love & war......Elections = War.....

Oh, & importantly to this discussion, in American law it is not illegal to use the information, no matter how it was obtained, as long as you....the eventual user of said information....had nothing to do with any illegal actions to directly, & illegally, gather, steal, or borrow said information.

Forget all that. What is it about Mr Trump that you're so keen on?

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Reply #94 - Jul 13^th, 2017 at 4:30pm

Panther wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 3:22pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 1:40pm:

Here is the law Donald Trump Junior, Jared Kushner and Paul Manafort are alleged to have broke:

Quote:

A federal law, Section 30121 of Title 52, makes it a crime for any foreigner to contribute or donate money or some “other thing of value” in connection with an American election, or for anyone to solicit a foreigner to do so.

Very good, very good......but no cigar on this one.....well, not yet anyway.

Section 30121 of Title 52's 'original intent' was to eliminate the possibility of foreign money/contributions/currency being used to corrupt the individuals foreign governments contribute to in that they would then owe 'access' to foreign entities in the day to day workings of the US government.

Bottom line the original intent was regarding "Financial" investment into American Elections creating Foreign pathways into the US Government itself.

The “other thing of value” was meant to define other things of "monetary value", not merely a physical or intellectual item of value.

Now, lately many lawyers allude to this phrase as "possibly" being used to define "information" as an item of value.

This definition has never been used in any criminal proceeding where Section 30121 of Title 52 was cited.

There is no "legal precedent" for using "information" as a basis of criminal activity in regards to Foreign intrusions into American Electoral undertakings via Section 30121 of Title 52.

So, there may be some court somewhere willing to break 'new ground' to use Section 30121 of Title 52 in this fashion, someday, but to use it as an argument for high level criminal activity is far from likely......that is, but not until, a "bona fide" precedent can be cited to allow legal debate on the issue before the court.

You are an idiot and a fool. You interpret EVERY law and bit of constitution to suit Trump and his actions. Your presumptive ideas of what is legal or not are NOT supported by the justice arm of government either now or in the past.

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Reply #95 - Jul 13^th, 2017 at 4:32pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 4:30pm:

Panther wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 3:22pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 1:40pm:

Here is the law Donald Trump Junior, Jared Kushner and Paul Manafort are alleged to have broke:

Quote:

A federal law, Section 30121 of Title 52, makes it a crime for any foreigner to contribute or donate money or some “other thing of value” in connection with an American election, or for anyone to solicit a foreigner to do so.

Very good, very good......but no cigar on this one.....well, not yet anyway.

Section 30121 of Title 52's 'original intent' was to eliminate the possibility of foreign money/contributions/currency being used to corrupt the individuals foreign governments contribute to in that they would then owe 'access' to foreign entities in the day to day workings of the US government.

Bottom line the original intent was regarding "Financial" investment into American Elections creating Foreign pathways into the US Government itself.

The “other thing of value” was meant to define other things of "monetary value", not merely a physical or intellectual item of value.

Now, lately many lawyers allude to this phrase as "possibly" being used to define "information" as an item of value.

This definition has never been used in any criminal proceeding where Section 30121 of Title 52 was cited.

There is no "legal precedent" for using "information" as a basis of criminal activity in regards to Foreign intrusions into American Electoral undertakings via Section 30121 of Title 52.

So, there may be some court somewhere willing to break 'new ground' to use Section 30121 of Title 52 in this fashion, someday, but to use it as an argument for high level criminal activity is far from likely......that is, but not until, a "bona fide" precedent can be cited to allow legal debate on the issue before the court.

You are an idiot and a fool.

And you need a new comeback.

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Reply #96 - Jul 13^th, 2017 at 4:42pm

Karnal wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 4:30pm:

.....Forget all that. What is it about Mr Trump that you're so keen on?

Basically......He's got the Brass Balls to toss political correctness on it's ear, & offer unique ways to acquire the desired results, results that most only dream of.

He's willing to call a spade a spade, no matter who or what he might offend.

He's both crass & unapologetic.....a breath of fresh air amid the stench of smokey back room political backstabbers.....etc....etc.....etc

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Reply #97 - Jul 13^th, 2017 at 4:45pm

Karnal wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 4:32pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 4:30pm:

Panther wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 3:22pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 1:40pm:

Here is the law Donald Trump Junior, Jared Kushner and Paul Manafort are alleged to have broke:

Quote:

A federal law, Section 30121 of Title 52, makes it a crime for any foreigner to contribute or donate money or some “other thing of value” in connection with an American election, or for anyone to solicit a foreigner to do so.

Very good, very good......but no cigar on this one.....well, not yet anyway.

Section 30121 of Title 52's 'original intent' was to eliminate the possibility of foreign money/contributions/currency being used to corrupt the individuals foreign governments contribute to in that they would then owe 'access' to foreign entities in the day to day workings of the US government.

Bottom line the original intent was regarding "Financial" investment into American Elections creating Foreign pathways into the US Government itself.

The “other thing of value” was meant to define other things of "monetary value", not merely a physical or intellectual item of value.

Now, lately many lawyers allude to this phrase as "possibly" being used to define "information" as an item of value.

This definition has never been used in any criminal proceeding where Section 30121 of Title 52 was cited.

There is no "legal precedent" for using "information" as a basis of criminal activity in regards to Foreign intrusions into American Electoral undertakings via Section 30121 of Title 52.

So, there may be some court somewhere willing to break 'new ground' to use Section 30121 of Title 52 in this fashion, someday, but to use it as an argument for high level criminal activity is far from likely......that is, but not until, a "bona fide" precedent can be cited to allow legal debate on the issue before the court.

You are an idiot and a fool.

And you need a new comeback.

why? is panther not in fact, a fool and an idiot? It isnt even abusive. It is merely descriptive and accurate.

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Reply #98 - Jul 13^th, 2017 at 4:54pm

Panther wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 4:42pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 4:30pm:

.....Forget all that. What is it about Mr Trump that you're so keen on?

Basically......He's got the Brass Balls to toss political correctness on it's ear, & offer unique ways to acquire the desired results, results that most only dream of.

He's willing to call a spade a spade, no matter who or what he might offend.

He's both crass & unapologetic.....a breath of fresh air amid the stench of smokey back room political backstabbers.....etc....etc.....etc

But he hasn't had any results, Panther. Apart from becoming president, he hasn't achieved anything to date.

You're left with supporting Mr Trump because he's crass and unapologetic. Basically, you're saying you'll excuse pretty much anything - lies, nepotism, corruption, conflicts of interest, foreign collusion - because Mr Trump's a thug.

Have I missed anything here? Please correct me if I'm mistaken.

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Reply #99 - Jul 13^th, 2017 at 4:59pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 4:45pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 4:32pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 4:30pm:

Panther wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 3:22pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 1:40pm:

Here is the law Donald Trump Junior, Jared Kushner and Paul Manafort are alleged to have broke:

Quote:

A federal law, Section 30121 of Title 52, makes it a crime for any foreigner to contribute or donate money or some “other thing of value” in connection with an American election, or for anyone to solicit a foreigner to do so.

Very good, very good......but no cigar on this one.....well, not yet anyway.

Section 30121 of Title 52's 'original intent' was to eliminate the possibility of foreign money/contributions/currency being used to corrupt the individuals foreign governments contribute to in that they would then owe 'access' to foreign entities in the day to day workings of the US government.

Bottom line the original intent was regarding "Financial" investment into American Elections creating Foreign pathways into the US Government itself.

The “other thing of value” was meant to define other things of "monetary value", not merely a physical or intellectual item of value.

Now, lately many lawyers allude to this phrase as "possibly" being used to define "information" as an item of value.

This definition has never been used in any criminal proceeding where Section 30121 of Title 52 was cited.

There is no "legal precedent" for using "information" as a basis of criminal activity in regards to Foreign intrusions into American Electoral undertakings via Section 30121 of Title 52.

So, there may be some court somewhere willing to break 'new ground' to use Section 30121 of Title 52 in this fashion, someday, but to use it as an argument for high level criminal activity is far from likely......that is, but not until, a "bona fide" precedent can be cited to allow legal debate on the issue before the court.

You are an idiot and a fool.

And you need a new comeback.

why? is panther not in fact, a fool and an idiot? It isnt even abusive. It is merely descriptive and accurate.

Not at all. Panther is incredibly creative with his excuses. Just when you think no one could possibly explain the latest Trump disaster with a straight face, there's Panther.

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Reply #100 - Jul 13^th, 2017 at 5:08pm

Karnal wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 4:54pm:

Panther wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 4:42pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 4:30pm:

.....Forget all that. What is it about Mr Trump that you're so keen on?

Basically......He's got the Brass Balls to toss political correctness on it's ear, & offer unique ways to acquire the desired results, results that most only dream of.

He's willing to call a spade a spade, no matter who or what he might offend.

He's both crass & unapologetic.....a breath of fresh air amid the stench of smokey back room political backstabbers.....etc....etc.....etc

But he hasn't had any results, Panther. Apart from becoming president, he hasn't achieved anything to date.

You're left with supporting Mr Trump because he's crass and unapologetic. Basically, you're saying you'll excuse pretty much anything - lies, nepotism, corruption, conflicts of interest, foreign collusion - because Mr Trump's a thug.

Have I missed anything here? Please correct me if I'm mistaken.

and that is the greatest irony. Trump was elected to 'make america great again'. While most were unware that America had ever stopped being 'great', Trump has done absolutely nothing other than to isolate the US and to make it a laughing stock as Russia attacks time and time again and trump does nothing.

Trump should be arrested and sentenced for COWARDICE in the face of the enemy. IN times not that long ago, that lead to a field execution.

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Reply #102 - Jul 13^th, 2017 at 6:22pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 2:07pm:

[quote]Was Trump Jr Meeting Deep-State Setup For FISA Wiretaps?

In closing - Why would a Russian attorney who hates Donald Trump and has ties to the 'pissgate' dossier firm - Fusion GPS, agree to provide Trump Jr. with oppos

It is well documented in Juniors emails that she was an at arms length representative of the Russian government. Very likely she had no choice in the matter.

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Reply #103 - Jul 13^th, 2017 at 6:48pm

Panther wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 3:30pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 2:02pm:

......The problem here is that the outcome was substantially different from the story these guys tell.

The information was not passed to the Trump team for their use.

The trump team had colluded with the Russian government to undermine the US election. The method which is known was that the Russians to separate themselves from the process and sabotaged the US election by releasing stolen information through wikileaks and that the Trump team had become involved in the process.

Remember that the same evening as this meeting Donald Trump came out saying that information damaging to Hillary was about to be released in the coming weeks. It was released.

The trump team had been party to this process.

The problem isn't that the Trump team were given the information but that they were party to the process in which the Russians attacked or sabotaged the US election......

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Sorry, a citation is required to corroborate those overreaching & legally undocumented assertions. Thanks

That is unless you admit they are just personal speculations, & simply points of view, absent of any "bona fide" proof.

Fact: The email trail clearly demonstrates that the leadership team of the Trump campaign knowingly met with a person representing the Russian government for the purpose of discussing damaging material against Clinton.

Fact: The same evening Trump reported that there would be information released to damage Clinton. and the Clinton campaign.

Fact: Said information was released by wikileaks in the specified time frame.

Fact: It is known that the Wikileaks releases had been supplied by the Russians.

There is not much wriggle room left to join the dots in a different way.

It is clearly understood that the Russians tampered with the US election.

It is now known that the Trump team had involvement with the Russians at this time.

No wonder that the Trump team want to make a different story out of it.

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Reply #104 - Jul 13^th, 2017 at 6:51pm

Karnal wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 4:54pm:

Panther wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 4:42pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 4:30pm:

.....Forget all that. What is it about Mr Trump that you're so keen on?

Basically......He's got the Brass Balls to toss political correctness on it's ear, & offer unique ways to acquire the desired results, results that most only dream of.

He's willing to call a spade a spade, no matter who or what he might offend.

He's both crass & unapologetic.....a breath of fresh air amid the stench of smokey back room political backstabbers.....etc....etc.....etc

But he hasn't had any results, Panther. Apart from becoming president, he hasn't achieved anything to date.

You're left with supporting Mr Trump because he's crass and unapologetic. Basically, you're saying you'll excuse pretty much anything - lies, nepotism, corruption, conflicts of interest, foreign collusion - because Mr Trump's a thug.

Have I missed anything here? Please correct me if I'm mistaken.

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But he hasn't had any results, Panther. Apart from becoming president, he hasn't achieved anything to date.

her has developed a strong relationship with Russia ???

And production of the first brick for his wall is coming along nicely, That brick should be ready any month now.

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