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Re: Winning: court upholds face veil ban
Reply #45 - Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:53pm

Frank wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:50pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:37pm:

You do understand that the reasons women given for covering in Australia do not align with the reasons you apply to them, yes?

And do you seriously think that women aren't restricted in what they can and cannot wear in "your" culture? You know in some workplaces, women are expected to wear makeup, yes?

Behaviour in this culture is to be judged by the standards and expectation of this culture, not by every strange and alien one. If you are in Australia, accept the behavioural norms of Australia. Islam has no overriding claim on your behaviour while you are here. It CERTAINLY doesn't have an overriding claim on MY behaviour towards you. If you wish to prefer Islamic codes of behaviour here, I do not want to accept them as being also thereby applicable to me. So show your face when talking to me or f orf. Your submission to Islam does not demand that I also submit to Islam. F that. (but that is exactly the gambit claim, of course).

Muslim women have absolutely NO right to expect that everyone else must accept nd accommodate their covering up. How bloody arrogant can they be? And how thick and uncritical can YOU be, mother??

You are now agitating for Muslim womens' human right to self-abnegation, you silly goose.

So, you expect people to adhere to ideology within your parameters.

No wonder you're so unhappy all the time.

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Re: Winning: court upholds face veil ban
Reply #46 - Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:54pm

mothra wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 6:55pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 6:36pm:

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would aussie allow someone wearing that into his cab???...

You wanted 'Yes or No.'

No.

Why not, Aussie?

Bloke wearing a balaclava in a Cab where there are cameras everywhere?

Nah. He takes it off, and then gets in.

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Re: Winning: court upholds face veil ban
Reply #47 - Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:55pm

mothra wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:53pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:50pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:37pm:

You do understand that the reasons women given for covering in Australia do not align with the reasons you apply to them, yes?

And do you seriously think that women aren't restricted in what they can and cannot wear in "your" culture? You know in some workplaces, women are expected to wear makeup, yes?

Behaviour in this culture is to be judged by the standards and expectation of this culture, not by every strange and alien one. If you are in Australia, accept the behavioural norms of Australia. Islam has no overriding claim on your behaviour while you are here. It CERTAINLY doesn't have an overriding claim on MY behaviour towards you. If you wish to prefer Islamic codes of behaviour here, I do not want to accept them as being also thereby applicable to me. So show your face when talking to me or f orf. Your submission to Islam does not demand that I also submit to Islam. F that. (but that is exactly the gambit claim, of course).

Muslim women have absolutely NO right to expect that everyone else must accept nd accommodate their covering up. How bloody arrogant can they be? And how thick and uncritical can YOU be, mother??

You are now agitating for Muslim womens' human right to self-abnegation, you silly goose.

So, you expect people to adhere to ideology within your parameters.

No wonder you're so unhappy all the time.

So you expect skinheads to fall within your parameters?

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Re: Winning: court upholds face veil ban
Reply #48 - Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:56pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:54pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 6:55pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 6:36pm:

Quote:

would aussie allow someone wearing that into his cab???...

You wanted 'Yes or No.'

No.

Why not, Aussie?

Bloke wearing a balaclava in a Cab where there are cameras everywhere?

Nah. He takes it off, and then gets in.

What about women who are unrecognisable under their extensive make-up? Sunglasses and facial hair?

Where do you draw the line?

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Re: Winning: court upholds face veil ban
Reply #49 - Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:56pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:54pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 6:55pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 6:36pm:

Quote:

would aussie allow someone wearing that into his cab???...

You wanted 'Yes or No.'

No.

Why not, Aussie?

Bloke wearing a balaclava in a Cab where there are cameras everywhere?

Nah. He takes it off, and then gets in.

what about a burqa?

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Re: Winning: court upholds face veil ban
Reply #50 - Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:56pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:52pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:50pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:47pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:46pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:44pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:43pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:41pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:39pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:36pm:

It's funny how a feminist like Mothra supports women walking around life in a bag??

I support a woman's right to wear whatever she wants.

I find it the absolute height of hypocrisy that people like you and Frank tell women what they must not wear under the pretence that it for their rights.

These woman have pressure put on them Mothra. It isn't their choice. What right minded human being would spend their life walking around in a bag??

The women in Australia overwhelmingly report that it is their choice. Some even do it against their husband's wishes.

Have you not listened to them?

bs. they cover girls up when they are 8 years old. They are conditioned. Wake up to yourself.

You're wrong Hammer. And you are doing exactly what you are complaining about. Telling women what they can or cannot wear.

You have no right to do that.

Are you happy with skinheads wearing swastikas??

Why would anyone be happy about that?

Moreover, a swastika isn't an item of clothing.

I'm surprised disappointed that you need that explained to you, Homo.

It's their beliefs sh itbag and their choice. Stick to your beliefs hey?

You really struggle, don't you Homo?

It has nothing to do with happiness.

I wouldn't be happy to see someone like you wearing a swastika on your Target hoody.

Not in a million years.

However, I wouldn't abuse you for doing so, and I wouldn't demand any law be made to stop you stitching it on to your clothing.

Do whatever you like, Homo, but don't expect me to be happy about it.

Have you ever heard of the term 'tolerance'?

Lol. Look who i'm asking.

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Re: Winning: court upholds face veil ban
Reply #51 - Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:56pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:55pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:53pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:50pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:37pm:

You do understand that the reasons women given for covering in Australia do not align with the reasons you apply to them, yes?

And do you seriously think that women aren't restricted in what they can and cannot wear in "your" culture? You know in some workplaces, women are expected to wear makeup, yes?

Behaviour in this culture is to be judged by the standards and expectation of this culture, not by every strange and alien one. If you are in Australia, accept the behavioural norms of Australia. Islam has no overriding claim on your behaviour while you are here. It CERTAINLY doesn't have an overriding claim on MY behaviour towards you. If you wish to prefer Islamic codes of behaviour here, I do not want to accept them as being also thereby applicable to me. So show your face when talking to me or f orf. Your submission to Islam does not demand that I also submit to Islam. F that. (but that is exactly the gambit claim, of course).

Muslim women have absolutely NO right to expect that everyone else must accept nd accommodate their covering up. How bloody arrogant can they be? And how thick and uncritical can YOU be, mother??

You are now agitating for Muslim womens' human right to self-abnegation, you silly goose.

So, you expect people to adhere to ideology within your parameters.

No wonder you're so unhappy all the time.

So you expect skinheads to fall within your parameters?

Not at all. Where have i ever suggested that i expect that?

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Re: Winning: court upholds face veil ban
Reply #52 - Jul 13^th, 2017 at 8:00pm

mothra wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:56pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:55pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:53pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:50pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:37pm:

You do understand that the reasons women given for covering in Australia do not align with the reasons you apply to them, yes?

And do you seriously think that women aren't restricted in what they can and cannot wear in "your" culture? You know in some workplaces, women are expected to wear makeup, yes?

Behaviour in this culture is to be judged by the standards and expectation of this culture, not by every strange and alien one. If you are in Australia, accept the behavioural norms of Australia. Islam has no overriding claim on your behaviour while you are here. It CERTAINLY doesn't have an overriding claim on MY behaviour towards you. If you wish to prefer Islamic codes of behaviour here, I do not want to accept them as being also thereby applicable to me. So show your face when talking to me or f orf. Your submission to Islam does not demand that I also submit to Islam. F that. (but that is exactly the gambit claim, of course).

Muslim women have absolutely NO right to expect that everyone else must accept nd accommodate their covering up. How bloody arrogant can they be? And how thick and uncritical can YOU be, mother??

You are now agitating for Muslim womens' human right to self-abnegation, you silly goose.

So, you expect people to adhere to ideology within your parameters.

No wonder you're so unhappy all the time.

So you expect skinheads to fall within your parameters?

Not at all. Where have i ever suggested that i expect that?

well don' get upset at swastikas and I won't get upset at the burqa?

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Re: Winning: court upholds face veil ban
Reply #53 - Jul 13^th, 2017 at 8:00pm

mothra wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:56pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:54pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 6:55pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 6:36pm:

Quote:

would aussie allow someone wearing that into his cab???...

You wanted 'Yes or No.'

No.

Why not, Aussie?

Bloke wearing a balaclava in a Cab where there are cameras everywhere?

Nah. He takes it off, and then gets in.

What about women who are unrecognisable under their extensive make-up? Sunglasses and facial hair?

Where do you draw the line?

Simple. If I can see they have gone out of their way to disguise.....no......they ain't getting in the Cab.

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Re: Winning: court upholds face veil ban
Reply #54 - Jul 13^th, 2017 at 8:01pm

mothra wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:56pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:55pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:53pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:50pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:37pm:

You do understand that the reasons women given for covering in Australia do not align with the reasons you apply to them, yes?

And do you seriously think that women aren't restricted in what they can and cannot wear in "your" culture? You know in some workplaces, women are expected to wear makeup, yes?

Behaviour in this culture is to be judged by the standards and expectation of this culture, not by every strange and alien one. If you are in Australia, accept the behavioural norms of Australia. Islam has no overriding claim on your behaviour while you are here. It CERTAINLY doesn't have an overriding claim on MY behaviour towards you. If you wish to prefer Islamic codes of behaviour here, I do not want to accept them as being also thereby applicable to me. So show your face when talking to me or f orf. Your submission to Islam does not demand that I also submit to Islam. F that. (but that is exactly the gambit claim, of course).

Muslim women have absolutely NO right to expect that everyone else must accept nd accommodate their covering up. How bloody arrogant can they be? And how thick and uncritical can YOU be, mother??

You are now agitating for Muslim womens' human right to self-abnegation, you silly goose.

So, you expect people to adhere to ideology within your parameters.

No wonder you're so unhappy all the time.

So you expect skinheads to fall within your parameters?

Not at all. Where have i ever suggested that i expect that?

Homo "thinks" everyone is like him (God forbid such a thing).

i.e. if you don't like something, you ask for it to be banned.

I don't like the idea of Homo walking around Mt Druitt with swastikas all over his hoody.

Not one bit.

However, I would never tell him to take his hoody off, or ask politicians to legislate against his appalling dress sense.

Homo has absolutely no idea what 'tolerance' means.

It's a totally foreign concept to him.

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Re: Winning: court upholds face veil ban
Reply #55 - Jul 13^th, 2017 at 8:01pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:56pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:52pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:50pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:47pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:46pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:44pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:43pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:41pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:39pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:36pm:

It's funny how a feminist like Mothra supports women walking around life in a bag??

I support a woman's right to wear whatever she wants.

I find it the absolute height of hypocrisy that people like you and Frank tell women what they must not wear under the pretence that it for their rights.

These woman have pressure put on them Mothra. It isn't their choice. What right minded human being would spend their life walking around in a bag??

The women in Australia overwhelmingly report that it is their choice. Some even do it against their husband's wishes.

Have you not listened to them?

bs. they cover girls up when they are 8 years old. They are conditioned. Wake up to yourself.

You're wrong Hammer. And you are doing exactly what you are complaining about. Telling women what they can or cannot wear.

You have no right to do that.

Are you happy with skinheads wearing swastikas??

Why would anyone be happy about that?

Moreover, a swastika isn't an item of clothing.

I'm surprised disappointed that you need that explained to you, Homo.

It's their beliefs sh itbag and their choice. Stick to your beliefs hey?

You really struggle, don't you Homo?

It has nothing to do with happiness.

I wouldn't be happy to see someone like you wearing a swastika on your Target hoody.

Not in a million years.

However, I wouldn't abuse you for doing so, and I wouldn't demand any law be made to stop you stitching it on to your clothing.

Do whatever you like, Homo, but don't expect me to be happy about it.

Have you ever heard of the term 'tolerance'?

Lol. Look who i'm asking.

Tolerance?? You don't tolerate anything. Tolerate the peoples choice for Trump you muppet and stop whinging?

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Re: Winning: court upholds face veil ban
Reply #56 - Jul 13^th, 2017 at 8:02pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:46pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:45pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 1:23pm:

It always amazes me just how many "men" are frightened by a piece of women's clothing.

Gotta laugh Grin

Not ME
But I'm used to ALL sorts of religious "trimmings"
Ive worked in retail, in a heavily Muslim populated suburb of Melbourne'

I've dealt with Muslim mothers and daughters - some veiled and some not
It's a personal gesture to God - and is in not enforced by ANYONE
It can be compared to the way some Christan women CHOOSE to wear crucifixes around their necks - and some Christian women DON'T

It's all really a matter of familiarising yourself with different religious and cultural practices

There's a few Islamophobes on Ozpolitic that could benefit from that familiarisation

rubbish.

Were your EARS burning ?

I rest my case

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Re: Winning: court upholds face veil ban
Reply #57 - Jul 13^th, 2017 at 8:02pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 8:00pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:56pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:55pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:53pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:50pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:37pm:

You do understand that the reasons women given for covering in Australia do not align with the reasons you apply to them, yes?

And do you seriously think that women aren't restricted in what they can and cannot wear in "your" culture? You know in some workplaces, women are expected to wear makeup, yes?

Behaviour in this culture is to be judged by the standards and expectation of this culture, not by every strange and alien one. If you are in Australia, accept the behavioural norms of Australia. Islam has no overriding claim on your behaviour while you are here. It CERTAINLY doesn't have an overriding claim on MY behaviour towards you. If you wish to prefer Islamic codes of behaviour here, I do not want to accept them as being also thereby applicable to me. So show your face when talking to me or f orf. Your submission to Islam does not demand that I also submit to Islam. F that. (but that is exactly the gambit claim, of course).

Muslim women have absolutely NO right to expect that everyone else must accept nd accommodate their covering up. How bloody arrogant can they be? And how thick and uncritical can YOU be, mother??

You are now agitating for Muslim womens' human right to self-abnegation, you silly goose.

So, you expect people to adhere to ideology within your parameters.

No wonder you're so unhappy all the time.

So you expect skinheads to fall within your parameters?

Not at all. Where have i ever suggested that i expect that?

well don' get upset at swastikas and I won't get upset at the burqa?

How are they equatable?

One is the symbol of violence, intolerance and white supremacy ... the other is simply religious garb.

How can you compare the two?

In any event, when did i suggest that i got upset at swastikas? I rarely think anything beyond pity.

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Re: Winning: court upholds face veil ban
Reply #58 - Jul 13^th, 2017 at 8:02pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:56pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:54pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 6:55pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 6:36pm:

Quote:

would aussie allow someone wearing that into his cab???...

You wanted 'Yes or No.'

No.

Why not, Aussie?

Bloke wearing a balaclava in a Cab where there are cameras everywhere?

Nah. He takes it off, and then gets in.

what about a burqa?

They get in just like I would allow a Nun wearing her garb to get in.

In those cases, I am taking a risk by assuming they are wearying that stuff for cultural or religious reasons. Yes, it is a gamble. Life is like that.

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Re: Winning: court upholds face veil ban
Reply #59 - Jul 13^th, 2017 at 8:03pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 8:02pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:46pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:45pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 1:23pm:

It always amazes me just how many "men" are frightened by a piece of women's clothing.

Gotta laugh Grin

Not ME
But I'm used to ALL sorts of religious "trimmings"
Ive worked in retail, in a heavily Muslim populated suburb of Melbourne'

I've dealt with Muslim mothers and daughters - some veiled and some not
It's a personal gesture to God - and is in not enforced by ANYONE
It can be compared to the way some Christan women CHOOSE to wear crucifixes around their necks - and some Christian women DON'T

It's all really a matter of familiarising yourself with different religious and cultural practices

There's a few Islamophobes on Ozpolitic that could benefit from that familiarisation

rubbish.

Were your EARS burning ?

I rest my case

We'll tolerate the burqa when you tolerate our disapproval of gay marriage?

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