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Reply #30 - Jul 14^th, 2017 at 6:32pm

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 2:38pm:

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BigOl64 wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 2:21pm:

We it is painted as an "us verses them" because that is what it is. The Papuans and the Timorese are NOT indonesians and Papua should not be under indonesian control.

Couldn't agree more, BigOl64. However, I recognise that boat has well and truly sailed. Short of another Habibie moment, the Indonesians will continue to control that half of the island. We had our chance in 1960 but were ill-equipped to enforce it. Our "great and powerful friends" had indicated that they favoured Indonesia over us and so we were forced to shut up and step back. Sukarno won that and so the UN handed West Papua over to them.

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Yes the occupation is based on politics, but the willingness to murder women and children is based on, for want of a better description religious 'untermensch'. They can murder Papuans because they don't consider them humans, plain and fkken simple.

Oh, I wish it was, BigOl64. In reality, it is far more complex than you are willing to admit because to do so would demolish your views. West Papuans are killed because they resist Jakarta's rule, not because they are "untermensch". Roll Eyes

They are killed easily because they are untermensch, like they did with the Timorese. Deliberately murdering civilians is easier if you think they are nothing more than animals.

True, which is how many nations, including Australia have gotten away with bombing Asian cities and destroying Asian villages, BigOl64. Dehumanising your opponent allows you to kill them much more easily. However, that is how the common Indonesian Soldier is taught to think about their opponents. Just as it is how common Australian Special Forces "Operatives" (what ever happened to them being "troopers" or "soldiers"?) think about Afghan or Iraqi civilians. How else the recent revelations about the death of the Afghani boy? Is it what the common, Indonesian civilians believe or think? Roll Eyes

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You don't get civilian deaths in the 10s if not 100s of 1000s if you consider the women and children you are shooting as human.

I suppose the people of Baria can understand that... Roll Eyes

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The thing that has always stunk is the way we allow there sh1t to continue and the mere mention of their murderous behavior sets the fkkheads off and we slime straight in with a heart felt apology for pointing out they are murdering innocent civilians.

That sh1t isn't that complex. Angry

If I stand alone with my unbridled hatred of indoneasia then Im fine with that.

That you keep expressing this hatred against Indonesia (please note the correct spelling) is immature and more suited to a young child than an adult. Most Indonesians aren't involved in the occupation of anywhere. Most Indonesians aren't interested in killing anybody. Yet you seem to blame them all, for some reason. Indonesia is made up of over 350 million individuals. When you look at them as individuals, what do you see? Untermensch? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: Indonesia bans extremist organisations Reply #31 - Jul 14^th, 2017 at 6:38pm Indonesia- the same country who gave more prison time to a pot smuggler over the piece of scum who orchestrated the Bali Bombings???
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Reply #34 - Jul 14^th, 2017 at 10:10pm

You have to ask yourself "extreme what?" It started with a few head chops, moved on to Muzlim boat people, bombings, and blasphemy. Why would Joco Widodo think things were getting out of hand? Well, the elites in Indonesia have seen what happened across Islam. This is a desperate move. They know they are in deep feces. The fanatics have infiltrated government, vis their top general. Our resident fanatic Gandalf, will be pleased, but he will try to pretend he disapproves. Meamwhile the doctor of divinity, Brian Ross, will continue to assure us that Indonesian Muzlims are nice folks. And John Smith will accuse Widodo of Islamophobia.

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Reply #35 - Jul 14^th, 2017 at 11:51pm

issuevoter wrote on Jul 14^th, 2017 at 10:10pm:

You have to ask yourself "extreme what?" It started with a few head chops, moved on to Muzlim boat people, bombings, and blasphemy. Why would Joco Widodo think things were getting out of hand? Well, the elites in Indonesia have seen what happened across Islam. This is a desperate move. They know they are in deep feces. The fanatics have infiltrated government, vis their top general. Our resident fanatic Gandalf, will be pleased, but he will try to pretend he disapproves. Meamwhile the doctor of divinity, Brian Ross, will continue to assure us that Indonesian Muzlims are nice folks. And John Smith will accuse Widodo of Islamophobia.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Tsk, tsk. What a shame you suffer from both Islamophobia and it seems anti-Intellectualism. Roll Eyes

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Reply #36 - Jul 15^th, 2017 at 12:37am

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 14^th, 2017 at 11:51pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jul 14^th, 2017 at 10:10pm:

You have to ask yourself "extreme what?" It started with a few head chops, moved on to Muzlim boat people, bombings, and blasphemy. Why would Joco Widodo think things were getting out of hand? Well, the elites in Indonesia have seen what happened across Islam. This is a desperate move. They know they are in deep feces. The fanatics have infiltrated government, vis their top general. Our resident fanatic Gandalf, will be pleased, but he will try to pretend he disapproves. Meamwhile the doctor of divinity, Brian Ross, will continue to assure us that Indonesian Muzlims are nice folks. And John Smith will accuse Widodo of Islamophobia.

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Tsk, tsk. What a shame you suffer from both Islamophobia and it seems anti-Intellectualism. Roll Eyes

Says the Islamophiliac (yes, it's an affliction) Pseudo-Intellectual with the mail order credentials.
In other words a sick fraud.

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Reply #38 - Jul 15^th, 2017 at 4:10pm

I kinda agree with the BigOl64.

The Indonesians (Political, Religious) consider the Melanesians (Papuans, Timorese and any 'black' Indo) as sub-human.
Half of Indonesia is geographically, environmentally, Flora/Fauna - part of the Region of Sahul. That is, 'East of the Wallace Line'. With this was the 'Black' peoples of Melanesian extract. Most were wiped out long ago, back beyond the Dutch days.
The murder of West Papuans is done 'obviously' - with the extraction of the Melanesians and the forced settlements of the Yellow Indonesians. It was no different to the USSR pumping its people out into Siberia and displacing the Mongol 'sub-humans' out into the extremities.

The Govt is no longer what it used to be in Indonesia. Piracy rules the waters and Gangs rule its cities.
Islam now dominates more than ever before and the fact that Extremism flourishes there, shows that 'Politics' has been usurped by Religion.

The other surrounding nations and peoples know that Indonesia is a lost cause of corruption and chaos and it is dangerous because of that.

I'm pretty sure that Police officer was trying to extort that couple (Aussie woman and Brit boyfriend) for both money and sex, before he was killed. It's just the way Indonesians do things.

Within just 10 years - Indonesia, as a nation - will be no more and its replacement will be a collective of smaller independent Nations, most of which will prefer to be culturally linked to the Region that is Sahul (that includes us) - than Asia.

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Reply #39 - Jul 15^th, 2017 at 5:02pm

Frank wrote on Jul 15^th, 2017 at 12:37am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 14^th, 2017 at 11:51pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jul 14^th, 2017 at 10:10pm:

You have to ask yourself "extreme what?" It started with a few head chops, moved on to Muzlim boat people, bombings, and blasphemy. Why would Joco Widodo think things were getting out of hand? Well, the elites in Indonesia have seen what happened across Islam. This is a desperate move. They know they are in deep feces. The fanatics have infiltrated government, vis their top general. Our resident fanatic Gandalf, will be pleased, but he will try to pretend he disapproves. Meamwhile the doctor of divinity, Brian Ross, will continue to assure us that Indonesian Muzlims are nice folks. And John Smith will accuse Widodo of Islamophobia.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Tsk, tsk. What a shame you suffer from both Islamophobia and it seems anti-Intellectualism. Roll Eyes

Says the Islamophiliac (yes, it's an affliction) Pseudo-Intellectual with the mail order credentials.
In other words a sick fraud.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Tsk, tsk. What a shame you suffer from both Islamophobia and it seems anti-Intellectualism. Roll Eyes

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Reply #40 - Jul 15^th, 2017 at 5:05pm

moses wrote on Jul 15^th, 2017 at 2:23pm:

Well he reckons he's got more degrees than a thermometer.

Do I?

When, Moses?

I have a Ba. A Ba(Hons), a Grad.Dip., a Master of Defence Studies and a Doctor of Divinity. Those are all the degrees I have ever admitted to.

What qualifications do you hold, out of a matter of interest? Or are you just demonstrating your anti-Intellectualism for all to see? Roll Eyes

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Reply #41 - Jul 15^th, 2017 at 5:08pm

Jasin wrote on Jul 15^th, 2017 at 4:10pm:

I kinda agree with the BigOl64.

The Indonesians (Political, Religious) consider the Melanesians (Papuans, Timorese and any 'black' Indo) as sub-human.
Half of Indonesia is geographically, environmentally, Flora/Fauna - part of the Region of Sahul. That is, 'East of the Wallace Line'. With this was the 'Black' peoples of Melanesian extract. Most were wiped out long ago, back beyond the Dutch days.
The murder of West Papuans is done 'obviously' - with the extraction of the Melanesians and the forced settlements of the Yellow Indonesians. It was no different to the USSR pumping its people out into Siberia and displacing the Mongol 'sub-humans' out into the extremities.

The Govt is no longer what it used to be in Indonesia. Piracy rules the waters and Gangs rule its cities.
Islam now dominates more than ever before and the fact that Extremism flourishes there, shows that 'Politics' has been usurped by Religion.

The other surrounding nations and peoples know that Indonesia is a lost cause of corruption and chaos and it is dangerous because of that.

I'm pretty sure that Police officer was trying to extort that couple (Aussie woman and Brit boyfriend) for both money and sex, before he was killed. It's just the way Indonesians do things.

Within just 10 years - Indonesia, as a nation - will be no more and its replacement will be a collective of smaller independent Nations, most of which will prefer to be culturally linked to the Region that is Sahul (that includes us) - than Asia.

Gosh you talk bullshit, JaSin. Total and utter bullshit. Roll Eyes

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Reply #42 - Jul 15^th, 2017 at 7:05pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 15^th, 2017 at 5:05pm:

moses wrote on Jul 15^th, 2017 at 2:23pm:

Well he reckons he's got more degrees than a thermometer.

Do I?

When, Moses?

I have a Ba. A Ba(Hons), a Grad.Dip., a Master of Defence Studies and a Doctor of Divinity. Those are all the degrees I have ever admitted to.

What qualifications do you hold, out of a matter of interest? Or are you just demonstrating your anti-Intellectualism for all to see? Roll Eyes

Well you just made all those degrees worthless.... Grin

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Reply #43 - Jul 15^th, 2017 at 7:09pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 15^th, 2017 at 5:05pm:

moses wrote on Jul 15^th, 2017 at 2:23pm:

Well he reckons he's got more degrees than a thermometer.

Do I?

When, Moses?

I have a Ba. A Ba(Hons), a Grad.Dip., a Master of Defence Studies and a Doctor of Divinity. Those are all the degrees I have ever admitted to.

What qualifications do you hold, out of a matter of interest? Or are you just demonstrating your anti-Intellectualism for all to see? Roll Eyes

Defence Studies, eh? Anything with 'Studies' in its name is for the Special Ed kids - every schoolboy knows that. Not surprised you have one of those then, and a mail order 'Divinity' certificate of payment. You pompous, preening little gnome.

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Reply #44 - Jul 15^th, 2017 at 7:11pm

Frank wrote on Jul 15^th, 2017 at 7:09pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 15^th, 2017 at 5:05pm:

moses wrote on Jul 15^th, 2017 at 2:23pm:

Well he reckons he's got more degrees than a thermometer.

Do I?

When, Moses?

I have a Ba. A Ba(Hons), a Grad.Dip., a Master of Defence Studies and a Doctor of Divinity. Those are all the degrees I have ever admitted to.

What qualifications do you hold, out of a matter of interest? Or are you just demonstrating your anti-Intellectualism for all to see? Roll Eyes

Defence Studies, eh? Anything with 'Studies' in its name is for the Special Ed kids - every schoolboy knows that. Not surprised you have one of those then, and a mail order 'Divinity' certificate of payment. You pompous, preening little gnome.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Tsk, tsk, Soren are you really so insecure that you have to show your own problems with other peoples' qualifications? Roll Eyes

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