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Jul 14th, 2017 at 9:32am
 
The Prog left have always sneered derided and lied.  Ridiculing and harassing those who dissent from their "enlightened" pov.

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Left looks away from Islamist threat

Peter Baldwin
The Australian
12:00AM July 14, 2017

On a recent episode of the ABC’s Q&A American physicist Lawrence Krauss delighted the audience by claiming that in the US falling fridges posed a greater safety risk than terrorist attacks.

Variations on this theme recur in statements by those determined to minimise the threat posed by terrorists inspired by Islamic doctrine. What about bathroom drownings? Electrocutions while changing light bulbs? In Australia we could throw in fun­nel-web spiders and brown snakes. All the better to get people to focus on the real menace: an outbreak of Islamophobia in response to the attacks among the unenlightened masses.

This is pernicious nonsense. It is patently absurd to make statistical comparisons between deaths by accident, misadventure and disease with those resulting from deliberately orchestrated violence by groups determined to reshape our society.

Morally, there is no comparison between the inevitable accidents of life and planned slaughter. The terrorists responsible for the Manchester atrocity real­ly intended to kill and maim large numbers of teenage girls. People are profoundly unnerved, and rightly so, to think that we have people in our midst capable of forming this kind of evil intention and of carrying it out.

And, crucially, we are not just talking about individuals, the proverbial “lone wolves”. In case after case it turns out that the attacks are committed by organised cells, sometimes involving scores of people. In the case of the 2015 Paris attacks, for example, 23 arrests were made in addition to the eight who carried out the attacks.

Often the direct perpetrators are just the tip of the iceberg, with others providing weapons, safe houses and other support. This is a stark contrast with the rare cases of lethal anti-Islamic violence, which are almost invariably the work of lone individuals.

It is true, of course, that only a tiny minority of Muslims directly participates in these attacks, and most do not support them. But it takes only a handful of violent ­jihadists to cast a pall of fear over a society. I wonder if Krauss can point to any instances of feral ­fridges causing cities to go into lockdown, as happened in Boston, Paris and Brussels.

It is also sadly true that substantial minorities in some Muslim communities do identify with the perpetrators. After the Charlie Hebdo attacks, polls in France and Britain revealed that about one-quarter of Muslims expressed some level of sympathy for the terrorists, with support strongest among the young.

According to a poll of British Muslims commissioned by Channel 4, two-thirds of those asked would not report a terrorist plot involving someone close to them to the police, a result that the former chairman of Britain’s Equality and Human Rights Commis­sion, Trevor Phillips, described as “astonishing” and “troubling”.

Mao Zedong famously stated that in a guerilla war the fighters must move among the people “as a fish swims in the sea”. Suburbs such as Molenbeek in Brussels, where the Paris and Brussels terror attacks were incubated, provide just this kind of environment.

We need to also bear in mind the “sky’s the limit” mentality of ­jihadist attackers, in which catastrophically successful attacks such as the 9/11 World Trade Centre atrocity are the gold standard. Such attacks need a high level of organisation, technical competence and substantial financial backing. Those responsible would think nothing of inflict­ing hundreds of thousands or even millions of casualties, given the opportunity.

This forces Western governments to take extreme measures to ensure security, including legislative and surveillance measures that would not be contemplated in more benign circumstances.

In France, heavily armed troops patrol beaches in Nice; Jewish schools and synagogues resemble armed camps. In Britain troops were ordered on to streets after the Manchester bombing. In Melbourne ugly concrete bollards have been placed in 10 CBD locations to protect pedestrians from terror attacks. Our societies are being transformed by all this — and very much for the worse.

The most sinister aspect is the effective curbing of free speech. Starting with the fatwa against Salman Rushdie issued by Ayatollah Khomeini in 1989, any high-profile critic of Islam has had to face the prospect of death threats.

Many have felt the impact of this, from cartoonists (including this newspaper’s Bill Leak) to historians of Islam who challenge orthodox accounts, such as British author Tom Holland, who was subjected to what he called a “tsunami of death threats” against his family after the airing of a Channel 4 documentary about his ideas.

[highlight]At greatest risk are defectors from Islam, apostates such as Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who must take extraordinary security measures.[ /highlight]

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Reply #1 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 9:33am
 
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Even today most Islamic scholars agree apostasy is a capital crime, a daunting prospect for any Muslim inclined to exercise the freedom of religion that we had assumed was an integral feature of our society, let alone to express it publicly.

Hirsi Ali can afford 24-hour security. But what about those who cannot, such as Molly Norris, of whom many readers may be unaware? She is a young cartoonist of liberal-progressive politics who was based in Seattle.

In 2010 she responded to the censorship of an episode of the television show South Park that depicted Mohammed by calling for an “Everybody Draw Mohammed Day”. According to a friend, “she didn’t mean to skewer or offend — she just thought people should lighten up”. This resulted in Norris being placed on a hit list by Yemeni-American cleric Anwar al-Awlaki.

After being advised by the FBI that the threat was “very serious”, Norris effectively disappeared. Seattle Weekly published this: “You may have noticed that Molly Norris’ comic is not in the paper this week. That’s because there is no more Molly. The gifted artist is alive and well, thankfully. But on the insistence of top security specialists at the FBI, she is, as they put it, ‘going ghost’: moving, changing her name, and essentially wiping away her identity.”

She is still in hiding — in the land of the first amendment.

On YouTube you can watch a speech to the American Humanist Association by Sarah Haider, an extraordinarily articulate and courageous young woman from a Pakistani Muslim background, and a founder of the group Ex-Muslims of North America. Needless to say, her group is forced to operate like a secret society, venues and identities carefully concealed. But the most remarkable aspect of her speech was her description of reactions from her erstwhile colleagues of the progressive left.

As Haider said: “I always expected feeling unwelcome from Muslim audiences, but I didn’t anticipate an equal amount of hostility from my allies on the left … almost all of whom questioned my motives rather than addressing my claims.”.

She lists the epithets directed at people like her: “House Muslim”, “Uncle Tom” and the particularly sinister “native informant”. Who would have thought it? Self-styled “progressives” in a de facto alliance with Islamist fanatics to marginalise and suppress religious dissenters?

This is the intellectual and moral abyss that the postmodern left has fallen into with its embrace of identity politics.

Peter Baldwin was a minister in the Hawke and Keating governments

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Reply #2 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 10:33am
 
The Left have never been anything but deluded opportunists, always in search of something to destroy.

It's no accident they entered the Nazi-Soviet pact and now are in pact with Islamists. They spawned the Red Brigades and the PLO. Nothing is beyond the pale for them as long as it is the enemy of liberal democracy, the true Great Satan to the ProRegressive Left and to Islamists everywhere.



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Reply #3 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 2:54pm
 
Frank wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 10:33am:
liberal democracy


Er, old boy, you just mentioned the L word.

Have I missed something?
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Reply #4 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 3:30pm
 
You always miss the point karnal. 
You'd almost think you were doing it on purpose. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Oh well at least there one less lefty in the Senate for a short while.
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Reply #5 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 6:19pm
 
Frank wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 10:33am:
The Left have never been anything but deluded opportunists, always in search of something to destroy.

It's no accident they entered the Nazi-Soviet pact and now are in pact with Islamists. They spawned the Red Brigades and the PLO. Nothing is beyond the pale for them as long as it is the enemy of liberal democracy, the true Great Satan to the ProRegressive Left and to Islamists everywhere.


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Yeah, sure, Soren, sure, whatever you claim.  Of course, the rest of the world knows you're talking bullshit but, hey, we can always tolerate it when it comes from a known right-wing, neo-Fascist, Islamophobic, racist.  Right?   Roll Eyes
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Reply #6 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 9:38pm
 
Wassup bwian, you're laying on the sanctimonious bullsh a bit thick even for you eh.

How about debating some real facts and stop ignoring and avoiding reality for a change? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Looks to me like all you are good for these days is TROLLING and FLAMING.
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Reply #7 - Jul 15th, 2017 at 12:08am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 6:19pm:
a known right-wing, neo-Fascist, Islamophobic, racist.  Right?   Roll Eyes



Oooohhhh... now it's a 'known' [your cliched label here]!!!

How do you know all this about me, Brian? Have you ever sat down with me to discuss just what a law abiding, enlightened, cultured, 'vast majority' man I am?

No. Yet you judge by the Book of Ozpolitic.

Tu tut, Brian you dreadully judgemental old duffer.




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Reply #8 - Jul 15th, 2017 at 5:03pm
 
I am glad to see that there are still a few journalists who don't chant the acceptance of Islam as a religion of peace.  There are some extremely important points in this article. But defense of Islam in the West is not exactly a leftist point of view. Its a form of denial from anyone who cannot bear to recognise that Islam is not a culture which wants multiculturalism. Multiculturalism requires a central umbrella philosophy, in our case, democratic secular pluralism. This is the antithesis of Islam. 
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Reply #9 - Jul 15th, 2017 at 5:11pm
 
Frank wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 12:08am:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 6:19pm:
a known right-wing, neo-Fascist, Islamophobic, racist.  Right?   Roll Eyes



Oooohhhh... now it's a 'known' [your cliched label here]!!!

How do you know all this about me, Brian? Have you ever sat down with me to discuss just what a law abiding, enlightened, cultured, 'vast majority' man I am?

No. Yet you judge by the Book of Ozpolitic.

Tu tut, Brian you dreadully judgemental old duffer.


Oh, dear.  I judge you by what you have posted, Soren.   Are you now telling us that you've been lying all these years?    That in reality you don't hate Muslims, you don't hate Multiculturalism, you don't hate Indigenous Australians?  That you don't hate women/gays/etc?

If that is true, then I unreservedly apologise.   However, I suspect it isn't.   Your public statements are all on record.  I've read most of them and they disgust me.  You have no idea it seems from your statements what decency and tolerance is.  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes
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Reply #10 - Jul 15th, 2017 at 5:56pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 5:11pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 12:08am:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 6:19pm:
a known right-wing, neo-Fascist, Islamophobic, racist.  Right?   Roll Eyes



Oooohhhh... now it's a 'known' [your cliched label here]!!!

How do you know all this about me, Brian? Have you ever sat down with me to discuss just what a law abiding, enlightened, cultured, 'vast majority' man I am?

No. Yet you judge by the Book of Ozpolitic.

Tu tut, Brian you dreadully judgemental old duffer.


Oh, dear.  I judge you by what you have posted, Soren.   Are you now telling us that you've been lying all these years?    That in reality you don't hate Muslims, you don't hate Multiculturalism, you don't hate Indigenous Australians?  That you don't hate women/gays/etc?

If that is true, then I unreservedly apologise.   However, I suspect it isn't.   Your public statements are all on record.  I've read most of them and they disgust me.  You have no idea it seems from your statements what decency and tolerance is.  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes

Caution! Virtue signalling and moral preening above.
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Reply #11 - Jul 15th, 2017 at 6:00pm
 
issuevoter wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 5:03pm:
I am glad to see that there are still a few journalists who don't chant the acceptance of Islam as a religion of peace.  There are some extremely important points in this article. But defense of Islam in the West is not exactly a leftist point of view. Its a form of denial from anyone who cannot bear to recognise that Islam is not a culture which wants multiculturalism. Multiculturalism requires a central umbrella philosophy, in our case, democratic secular pluralism. This is the antithesis of Islam. 


I think it is just an assumption. If you know nothing about it, you are going to assume it is just like other religions, until someone proves otherwise. That doesn't explain people like Brian, unless he has been particularly good at covering his ears every time a Muslim speaks here, but for the most part I think that is what is happening.
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Reply #12 - Jul 15th, 2017 at 6:56pm
 
The Lefty looneys were poo-pooing the wall Israel had to build to defend itself against Muslim terror.
And then came the anti-Muslim barriers all over the West:

Denmark:
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Canada
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Australia
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The West should have all those bollards and barriers and walls at the border. But (completely misplaced and baseless) Western guilt is too powerful a seduction for Lefty looneys.

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Reply #13 - Jul 15th, 2017 at 7:06pm
 
Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Soren, they aren't "anti-Muslim" barriers.  Muslims are still allowed to walk back and forth, through them.  They are anti-Extremist barriers.   There is a difference in the minds of intelligent people between Muslims and Islamists.   Your Islamophobia blinds you to it, though, doesn't it?  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes
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Reply #14 - Jul 15th, 2017 at 7:09pm
 
Frank wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 6:56pm:
The Lefty looneys were poo-pooing the wall Israel had to build to defend itself against Muslim terror.



were they? were you asleep at the time that happened?
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