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Reply #270 - Nov 29th, 2022 at 9:21am
 
freediver wrote on Nov 28th, 2022 at 2:33pm:
Gandalf, would you at least agree that attitudes towards rape in war have changed for the better?


Probably. That doesn't mean that its translating into less war crimes though. This sound suspiciously like an attempt to shift the goalposts. Also, rape in war is not the only type of war crime.

freediver wrote on Nov 28th, 2022 at 2:33pm:
Are you suggesting that in the past, great armies magically appeared on a battlefield, slaughtered each other, then magically disappeared, without interacting with civilians?


Thats literally almost exactly what happened in WWI. Look up the civilian casualties in that war - it was bugger all. WWII then set the standard for the trends we now see in modern warfare - where civilians are far more disproportionally affected than they were in pre-WWII wars. I would imagine the rate of war crimes from then until now ebbs and flows with the rate of wars at any given time: the more wars, the more war crimes. For example I would expect we will see a spike in war crimes this year - simply due to the war that started in Ukraine. This is essentially the take home lesson from your article - overall decline in wars over the last 70+ years = overall decline in atrocities during the same period.

But there is precisely zero evidence in any of this that a) any decrease in atrocities is due to changed attitudes or b) the US policing against war-crimes has been the reason for the decrease (as per your original claim).

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #271 - Nov 29th, 2022 at 7:01pm
 
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Probably. That doesn't mean that its translating into less war crimes though. This sound suspiciously like an attempt to shift the goalposts.


It is trying to establish what you disagree with me on.

Do you also agree that the punishments have been made stricter and that more effort has been put into enforcing them?
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Reply #272 - Dec 1st, 2022 at 8:06am
 
freediver wrote on Nov 29th, 2022 at 7:01pm:
It is trying to establish what you disagree with me on.


Not that, obviously.

I disagree with you bringing in assumptions that you cannot, or refuse to support with actual evidence. Especially the one about alleged US efforts having a meaningful impact on reducing war crimes.

freediver wrote on Nov 29th, 2022 at 7:01pm:
Do you also agree that the punishments have been made stricter and that more effort has been put into enforcing them?


Obviously irrelevant if you can't demonstrate that such well-meaning efforts have produced actual meaningful results in this sphere - yeah?
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Reply #273 - Dec 1st, 2022 at 8:22am
 
Nice tapdancing Gandalf.

Do you also agree that the punishments have been made stricter and that more effort has been put into enforcing them?
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Reply #274 - Dec 1st, 2022 at 9:30am
 
speaking of tapdancing...

freediver wrote on Dec 1st, 2022 at 8:22am:
Do you also agree that the punishments have been made stricter and that more effort has been put into enforcing them?


Do you actually believe this meaningless question somehow validates your baseless assumption that a) war crimes have gone down and b) the US has been responsible?

Do you really not understand the difference between "trying to stop war crimes" and "actually stopping war crimes"? Is it really that unreasonable to ask for some actual results for all these good intentions you keep spamming me with?

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Reply #275 - Dec 1st, 2022 at 1:03pm
 
It's just a question Gandalf. All it does is establish your views. If you can bring yourself to give a straight answer. I have never suggested that your views accurately reflect the reality of the situation, so you can stop panicking about that.

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Reply #276 - Dec 1st, 2022 at 2:06pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 1st, 2022 at 1:03pm:
It's just a question Gandalf.


Which I already answered, if you hadn't noticed. You said yourself you only asked it "to establish what you disagree with me on" - which I already confirmed it wasn't that - remember?

So if we believe what you claim - and that this pathetic tap-dancing routine is only "to establish what I disagree with you on" - then you already have the answer - I've only pointed out exactly what I disagree with you on about a dozen times now. Consider that as "just a question" that so far you have singularly refused to answer. So don't try on this "straight answer" crap with me.

This whole time I've been trying to get you to acknowledge a) your assumptions about war crimes going down and the US being responsible is baseless and b) nothing you have said has addressed that glaring fact.

So why would you think that "establishing my views" on something entirely irrelevant to a) and b) above is useful in any way? How can it be possibly be seen as anything other than deflection? I'd rather you address for once the actual point I've been hammering on at you for about a month.
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Reply #277 - Dec 2nd, 2022 at 6:19am
 
Sorry Gandalf, I must have missed your answer. It is hard to hear for all the tapdancing.

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Reply #278 - Dec 2nd, 2022 at 9:05am
 
You did indeed miss it. You also forgot to ask yourself "why the hell am I even asking these idiotic questions - when I should be presenting the evidence gandalf asked for weeks ago?".

No worries then. Still, you've got a bit of time left before christmas to pull yourself together and say something remotely coherent.
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Reply #279 - Dec 3rd, 2022 at 8:12am
 
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