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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 16544 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: 4 Corners - theft of water Reply #75 - Jul 25^th, 2017 at 8:13pm ____ wrote on Jul 25^th, 2017 at 10:56am: The disaster your generation has created will be dumped on the next. That's a little bigoted isn't it? Blaming a whole generation? Bit like blaming all poofs for AIDS or all muslims for ISIS.
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miketrees Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6490 Gender:	Re: 4 Corners - theft of water Reply #76 - Jul 25^th, 2017 at 8:26pm must be a liberal voter. that's the sort of thing they would do in the name of printed dollar bills Someone has to pay the bludgers in society. Its usually the working people, usually Libs
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Reply #77 - Jul 25^th, 2017 at 10:43pm

I used to live in the Riverina.
I can only say that the 'Irrigation' set-up and network is absolutely astounding, impressive and very effective.
Even in a flood, thanks to the 'canals', the water always has somewhere to run and move to ...unlike floods everywhere else that just sit there like a dirty duck-pond.
It is an amazing place of Farming excellence. So much so, that besides so much 'Food Production' work out there - the place is a scenic beauty with all the Rural efforts.
The CSIRO had put forth the idea of $10 billion to reproduce another version of the Riverina in Diamantina/Gulf of Carpentaria area up north in QLD/NT.

Now, as for the Murray/Darling river systems having their water 'pilfered' by anyone and everyone for whatever reason? Well, for starters - you will have Farmers using water to meet their quotas, even if they don't actually 'need' that amount. Because, if they don't - their quota will be less the following year.

When in South Australia - yes, you would be well advised not to mention the 'water issue' Shocked

It's a very very sore issue and you are just asking for trouble if you don't watch your delivery. Just coming from NSW or QLD in that discussion will have you 'shirt-fronted' in a second Angry

. I kid you not!

Long ago - the 'Water' issue, nearly erupted in 'WAR', regarding some of the 'water Barons' as they were known.
Water is far far more valuable than GOLD! People will get violent over the issue. What you saw on TV/Media is nothing, absolutely nothing!

My only view on the matter is that SOUTH AUSTRALIA will never get the 'justice' on this. They will continue to just get the ...trickle on effect. No way will the Government (regardless of Party) have the Power (enforcement) to stop what is going on.

South Australia is best to just seek an 'alternative route' to the problem.
My advice has always been (right from one of my first topics on this Forum many years ago) - that South Australia, in partnership with the NT, should build their own 'CANAL SYSTEM' running from the areas of the NT that are heavily monsoonal and flood prone - to drain down into South Australia more effectively than what either the Murray or Darling rivers can provide.
The benefit will be to both the NT and SA directly.

Other than that - SA really does need to plant a lot of trees to attract more rainfall. I can say this easy - because the State is almost barren of 'proper Trees' but for a few small spots. Roll Eyes

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 103439 Melbourne Gender:	Re: 4 Corners - theft of water Reply #78 - Jul 25^th, 2017 at 11:07pm Hi JaSinner, I remember turning on the tap in Adelaide & brown water coming out - yuck.
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Reply #79 - Jul 25^th, 2017 at 11:09pm

miketrees wrote on Jul 25^th, 2017 at 8:26pm:

must be a liberal voter. that's the sort of thing they would do in the name of printed dollar bills

Someone has to pay the bludgers in society.

Its usually the working people, usually Libs

Nonsense - the 50-odd percent of floating voters who kick governments out can't all be non-working people. Most are the opposite, and have the sense to see what a government is doing for them and the nation.

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Reply #80 - Jul 25^th, 2017 at 11:12pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 25^th, 2017 at 7:04pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 25^th, 2017 at 6:58pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 25^th, 2017 at 6:01pm:

cods wrote on Jul 25^th, 2017 at 5:42pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 25^th, 2017 at 5:39pm:

cods wrote on Jul 25^th, 2017 at 5:24pm:

well they have got to do something now mining has gone out the window mike??....

where did mining go?

oh you havent heard our customers are now shopping elsewhere..and WA is feeling the pinch.

the customers hadn't gone anywhere.

China stockpiled mountains of ore so as to gain control of the market and dictate lower prices overall...

I know .... crash the market, then buy cheap. Roll Eyes

Now they get to set the price, which, at last report I saw, was below the cost of production.... welcome to the Banana Republic of Austrochine... a subsidiary of China Inc.... and soon to be a happy vassal state....

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 103439 Melbourne Gender:	Re: 4 Corners - theft of water Reply #81 - Jul 25^th, 2017 at 11:51pm For those who missed the 4 corners show: http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2017/07/24/4705065.htm
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 103439 Melbourne Gender:	Re: 4 Corners - theft of water Reply #82 - Jul 26^th, 2017 at 6:35am Bobby. wrote on Jul 25^th, 2017 at 11:51pm: For those who missed the 4 corners show: http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2017/07/24/4705065.htm Jump to 43:20 & have a look at the environmental destruction.
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Reply #83 - Jul 26^th, 2017 at 9:18am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 25^th, 2017 at 6:58pm:

China stockpiled mountains of ore so as to gain control of the market and dictate lower prices overall...

Strange you mention stockpiling.

Interesting from the 4 Corners show was the fact these water stealers are stockpiling water and then on selling it downstream to other farmers on the Murray Darling.

Apparently at times they are making more out of selling the water they have largely stolen than bothering with growing cotton.

Another name that was interesting to hear as an owner of one of these massive farms with large water storage filled from the MD was Chris Corrigan of the Patrick Stevedores wharfies strikes fame.(1998)

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Reply #84 - Jul 26^th, 2017 at 9:50am

Redmond Neck wrote on Jul 26^th, 2017 at 9:18am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 25^th, 2017 at 6:58pm:

China stockpiled mountains of ore so as to gain control of the market and dictate lower prices overall...

Strange you mention stockpiling.

Interesting from the 4 Corners show was the fact these water stealers are stockpiling water and then on selling it downstream to other farmers on the Murray Darling.

Apparently at times they are making more out of selling the water they have largely stolen than bothering with growing cotton.

Another name that was interesting to hear as an owner of one of these massive farms with large water storage filled from the MD was Chris Corrigan of the Patrick Stevedores wharfies strikes fame.(1998)

I hope Sarah Hanson-Young asks them hard questions in the senate.

They deserve jail.

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Reply #85 - Jul 26^th, 2017 at 10:36am

Redmond Neck wrote on Jul 26^th, 2017 at 9:18am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 25^th, 2017 at 6:58pm:

China stockpiled mountains of ore so as to gain control of the market and dictate lower prices overall...

Strange you mention stockpiling.

Interesting from the 4 Corners show was the fact these water stealers are stockpiling water and then on selling it downstream to other farmers on the Murray Darling.

Apparently at times they are making more out of selling the water they have largely stolen than bothering with growing cotton.

Another name that was interesting to hear as an owner of one of these massive farms with large water storage filled from the MD was Chris Corrigan of the Patrick Stevedores wharfies strikes fame.(1998)

Bloody Wharfies! They eat Bikers (Bickies) with their cups of tea.

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miketrees Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6490 Gender:	Re: 4 Corners - theft of water Reply #86 - Jul 26^th, 2017 at 12:13pm When you city scum get hungry enough, you will be begging the farmers to use the water and grow food.
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Reply #87 - Jul 28^th, 2017 at 6:58am

Bobby. wrote on Jul 26^th, 2017 at 6:35am:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 25^th, 2017 at 11:51pm:

For those who missed the 4 corners show:

http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2017/07/24/4705065.htm

Jump to 43:20 & have a look at the environmental destruction.

Transcript.

http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2017/07/24/4705065.htm

LINTON BESSER: The dying river redgums of the Macquarie Marshes were a wake-up call prompting one of the biggest economic reforms in the country's history - The Murray-Darling Basin plan.

Now after five years and billions of taxpayer dollars there are real questions about whether Australia's fragile inland ecosystem has been saved.

RICHARD KINGSFORD: Look, we all hoped because of the state of the Murray-Darling basin that the basin plan would essentially take this patient, which was essentially in the intensive care unit, out of the intensive care unit and be able to make it walk again but essentially the basin plan is not working the way it was meant to work.

The whole idea of water for the environment was that water would come down these river systems and make its way right down to the end.

You know, it would be there for Aboriginal kids to play in at Wilcannia.

It would be there for the environment down at Menindee lakes.

And we don't know where that water's going? and we don't know what's happening to that water?

It just seems bizarre, and particularly when there are so many major players that are potentially exploiting the system.

LINTON BESSER: The Murray-Darling Basin Plan may not yet have saved the river, but it's made a fortune for the lucky few.

MAL PETERS: There is no question, in my mind, that the majority of Australians supported the expenditure of a huge amount of money, 13 billion dollars, billion dollars, to fix the river.

If the outcome of it is, that we have a very few number of irrigators that have got a huge windfall out of this, I think everybody will be disgusted.

PHILLIP O'CONNOR: Well, it's just whether the people care, Linton, whether they care about the river.

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Reply #88 - Jul 28^th, 2017 at 10:15am

____ wrote on Jul 25^th, 2017 at 9:46am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 25^th, 2017 at 9:40am:

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 25^th, 2017 at 9:35am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 25^th, 2017 at 9:24am:

Redmond Neck wrote on Jul 25^th, 2017 at 9:16am:

I would have thought the far north of Australia that has a big wet season would be where you would grow cotton not in the dry areas along the Murray Darling!

why can we pipe gas around the country, but not water?

it's ridiculous.

Because gas is a ..... well gas and easy to move around, where as water is not, at least not through long pipes.

nah ... we have the mechanical know how to pump water anywhere if we wanted to. The real reason is govt. is waiting for private enterprise to do it, private enterprise won't do it because there's not enough money in it for them. When water costs the same as gas, companies will be tripping over themselves to do it.

Baby Boomer destruction ... when will they just die out !

Pumping water from A to B = inflexibility.
When monsoon patterns change and NT dries ... what then. Another baby boomer white elephant?

You have an unhealthy obsession with blaming Baby Boomers for everything.

Do you have an issue with your parents ... I'll bet they were/are Baby Boomers.

Without them you wouldn't be here.

You ungrateful snot.

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Reply #89 - Jul 28^th, 2017 at 10:35am

cods wrote on Jul 25^th, 2017 at 10:17am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 25^th, 2017 at 10:13am:

So you approve of theft, do you codsy?

no pet.. just UNDERSTAND IT thats all..

how do we expect them to do their job?.. Sad

any ideas monk?...

you know as well as I do we waste so much water in the country Angry

I am waiting for Qld to announce the drought and whine for more money.. Roll Eyes

What's with you & your anti QLD bent Cods?

You do realise that central & western NSW have been in drought for just as long as any ..... droughts are usually occurring from the nth to sth across states in western areas.

And yes there are properties in QLD milking & probably pinching more water than they should from the MD system ........ Cubbie Station is one of the biggest ....in a good year it can store as much as Sydney Harbour. 500,000 megalitres.

This one station with a licence of 460,000 megalitres is equivalent to all the NSW licenced irrigators down stream in the MD combined.

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The station was created by amalgamating twelve floodplain properties to give Cubbie a total of fifty-one licences.[3] The station's water storage dams stretch for more than 28 kilometres (17 mi) along the Culgoa River, within the Murray-Darling basin. In an average year the station uses 200,000 megalitres (7,100×106 cu ft) of water, in a good year as much as 500,000 megalitres (18,000×106 cu ft).

The water is used to supply 130 square kilometres (50 sq mi) of irrigated cotton and other crops including wheat, which generates a net profit in the range of A$50 million to A$80 million a year.[4][5]

The station is licensed to take 460,000 megalitres (16,000×106 cu ft),[3] the equivalent of all irrigation entitlements downstream in north-western NSW.[3] The property has the capacity to grow 200 square kilometres (77 sq mi) of cotton. In 2006, the dams on the property were filled to 1% capacity allowing for only 200 hectares (490 acres) of cotton planting.[6] The station is often derided for its large water usage requirements in a time of extreme drought in Australia and damage to the Murray Darling river system[7]

During his term as Minister for the Environment, Malcolm Turnbull did not rule out its possible acquisition by the Australian government.[8][9]

We should not be growing cotton in marginal channel country in Australia ... it's the most water & pesticide reliant crop that can be grown.

It is destroying the MDB river system.

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