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Gordon Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 20545 Gordon Gender:	Conservative Islam Jul 27^th, 2017 at 3:09pm Who thinks conservative Islam is a big big problem?
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Re: Conservative Islam
Reply #1 - Jul 27^th, 2017 at 6:48pm

Gordon wrote on Jul 27^th, 2017 at 3:09pm:

Who thinks conservative Islam is a big big problem?

The 'problem'.

Gordon,

It isn't,    'conservative' ISLAM.

Nor is it merely 'those extremists'.

Nor is it simply 'a tiny minority' of moslems, who have choosen some aberrant and unreasonable and violent path.

ISLAM, is simply ISLAM.

ISLAM is a deceitful, violent, murderous death cult,    ....by any appraisal by any reasonable man.

The principle precepts and tenets of ISLAM, encourage hostility and violence,       against those who do not believe as they [moslems] believe.

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Watch what normal moslems [in Norway] are saying,

while they talk about practicing their religion, in Europe.

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What Normal Muslims Think - And Europe Fails to Understand

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIK8bfeLXSw

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1482184211/5#5
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Moslems are dangerous people.

Moslems are a danger to everyone who is not a moslem.

.....that is simply the nature of the beast.

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IMAGE.....

"We are motivated by our religion, by our Qur’an and Sunnah and we are not ashamed of that,..."

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By Nicolai Sennels on May 31, 2017 09:02 am

The real cause of Islamic terrorism: “We are motivated by our religion, by our Qur’an and Sunnah”

Every time a new jihad attack strikes innocents in the West, media and politicians get busy blaming “bad integration,” “poverty,” “marginalization,” “racism,” etc.

For some reason, it never occurs to them to ask if Islamic terrorism has anything to do with Islam and the increasing number of followers of this particular religion in our countries......

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/05/the-real-cause-of-islamic-terrorism-we-are-mo...

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Every person who willingly declares;

"I am a moslem. Allah is my god, and Mohammed is his messenger."

......is a terrorist or a latent terrorist.

'Every moslem in Australia, is a moslem'
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1496708257/0#0

Every moslem in Australia, is a moslem.

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. Ignorance may deride it. But in the end, there it is.
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Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1499248128/0#0
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Don't be duped, by moslem denials.

THE TRUTH....

Every moslem in Australia, is a moslem.

A moslem is a follower of ISLAM. < -------- dictionary definition.

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Would a person who is an honest person, and a person who is a moral person, choose, to be a follower of such a murderous philosophy ?

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Valkie Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16138 Central Coast Gender:	Re: Conservative Islam Reply #2 - Jul 27^th, 2017 at 7:52pm Evil devil worshipers As Jesus was the son of god. Mohamed was tge son of the devil. Concieved by a sow and brought up by feral dogs.
Back to top	I HAVE A DREAM A WONDERFUL, PEACEFUL, BEAUTIFUL DREAM. A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM A DREAM OF A WORLD FREE FROM THE HORRORS OF ISLAM. SUCH A WONDERFUL DREAM O HOW I WISH IT WERE TRU IP Logged

Frank Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 45375 Gender:	Re: Conservative Islam Reply #3 - Jul 27^th, 2017 at 8:21pm Yadda wrote on Jul 27^th, 2017 at 6:48pm: https://cdn.jihadwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Muslims-Quran.jpeg Shave the besterds.
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Re: Conservative Islam
Reply #4 - Jul 27^th, 2017 at 11:36pm

Gordon wrote on Jul 27^th, 2017 at 3:09pm:

Who thinks conservative Islam is a big big problem?

It is possible that muzlims who think they are not conservative are an even bigger problem. Such "moderates" have made some recent but anemic calls for tolerance among the faithful. At the same time they say nothing about the basic elements of Islam which are anti-social. And because they tend to be heard in the West, they create a false impression of progressive intentions which is immediately latched onto, by the cowards who just want it to all go away at any cost.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Conservative Islam Reply #5 - Jul 28^th, 2017 at 11:27am issuevoter wrote on Jul 27^th, 2017 at 11:36pm: At the same time they say nothing about the basic elements of Islam which are anti-social. Except of course to address those allegations directly and argue against the "anti-social" interpretations of Islamic text.
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Conservative Islam Reply #6 - Jul 28^th, 2017 at 12:04pm It's not the Conservatism part that's the problem.
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Re: Conservative Islam
Reply #7 - Jul 28^th, 2017 at 12:53pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 28^th, 2017 at 11:27am:

issuevoter wrote on Jul 27^th, 2017 at 11:36pm:

At the same time they say nothing about the basic elements of Islam which are anti-social.

Except of course to address those allegations directly

and argue against the "anti-social" interpretations of Islamic text.

gandalf,

How should the reasonable person 'interpret' a verse like Koran 9.29 ?

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"Thou wilt not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who resist Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred...."
Koran 58.22

"O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers."
Koran 9.23

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"Me praying five times a day is sharia."

- Yassmin Abdel-Magied

Honest !

ISLAMIC LAW TEXT....
"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06

ISLAMIC LAW TEXT....
"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

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"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Conservative Islam
Reply #8 - Jul 28^th, 2017 at 4:17pm

What exactly is a 'Conservative Islamite'? We've gone the Moderate Muslimite which seemed to have the takeoff power of a lead submarine and the attractiveness for consumption of a uranium sandwich..... so what is this Conservative Islamite?

Is it that doctor up the street with his western suits and such? Many Islamophiles mingle with that kind of Muslim and assume those are the only ones..... they've never lived among the paranoid, small-minded, hostile, violent, territorial, xenophobic, quasi-jihadist type with the hot, hate-filled eyes and the contempt for any outsider and the sand of the bled still on their feet and the blood in the eye of recent tribal warfare all over them....

Is it the preacher who says that Iss-lam is the religion of peace, and will enforce that peace wherever it goes, even if it means removing its claimed enemies from the earth, since it is superior to all other religions concepts?

Is it the guy who, at a demo, holds up the sign that says - "Half behead those who insult the Prophet"? Shocked

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Re: Conservative Islam
Reply #9 - Jul 28^th, 2017 at 10:38pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 28^th, 2017 at 11:27am:

issuevoter wrote on Jul 27^th, 2017 at 11:36pm:

At the same time they say nothing about the basic elements of Islam which are anti-social.

Except of course to address those allegations directly and argue against the "anti-social" interpretations of Islamic text.

More of the same. Note the use of "interpretation" to deny culpability.

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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 29376 Gender:	Re: Conservative Islam Reply #10 - Jul 29^th, 2017 at 7:47am There's no such thing as "conservative Islam".
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Re: Conservative Islam
Reply #11 - Jul 29^th, 2017 at 7:49pm

issuevoter wrote on Jul 28^th, 2017 at 10:38pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 28^th, 2017 at 11:27am:

issuevoter wrote on Jul 27^th, 2017 at 11:36pm:

At the same time they say nothing about the basic elements of Islam which are anti-social.

Except of course to address those allegations directly and argue against the "anti-social" interpretations of Islamic text.

More of the same. Note the use of "interpretation" to deny culpability.

Perhaps you can explain to me how one can understand Islamic texts without using the word "interpretation".

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: Conservative Islam
Reply #12 - Jul 30^th, 2017 at 7:33am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 28^th, 2017 at 11:27am:

issuevoter wrote on Jul 27^th, 2017 at 11:36pm:

At the same time they say nothing about the basic elements of Islam which are anti-social.

Except of course to address those allegations directly and argue against the "anti-social" interpretations of Islamic text.

Pretending they say something else isn't really addressing anything.

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Re: Conservative Islam
Reply #13 - Jul 30^th, 2017 at 8:47am

freediver wrote on Jul 30^th, 2017 at 7:33am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 28^th, 2017 at 11:27am:

issuevoter wrote on Jul 27^th, 2017 at 11:36pm:

At the same time they say nothing about the basic elements of Islam which are anti-social.

Except of course to address those allegations directly and argue against the "anti-social" interpretations of Islamic text.

Pretending they say something else isn't really addressing anything.

Is that like spending weeks on end insisting that the quran has no broad command to fight in self defence - only to finally realise, when spelled out to you, that it actually does, albeit "obliquely"?

Or is it like taking the claims of one muslim and pretending its the claims of muslims (plural) - en masse - and then lying about referencing more than that one muslim?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: Conservative Islam
Reply #14 - Jul 30^th, 2017 at 8:52am

The Koran does not instruct Muslims to fight only in self defence. It instructs Muslims to slaughter the infidel wherever they find them.

For example, chapter 9:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1469837313

5. Then when the Sacred Months (the Ist, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islamic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikun (see V.2:105) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat), and give Zakat, then leave their way free. Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

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