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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Racism is not simply an education issue Reply #30 - Jul 31^st, 2017 at 12:36pm More LW Prog prattle eh Mothballs. Really? Do you honestly believe all that crap you post? If you do I think we've found YOUR problem. RACISM is a flawed ideology, anyone who believes it (Karnal) needs their head read. Anyone who believes the tripe YOU post on it Mothballs also needs their head read.
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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35331 Gender:	Re: Racism is not simply an education issue Reply #31 - Jul 31^st, 2017 at 12:42pm I understand why you are so irritable all the time, Grendel. Have you ever considered addressing the root cause? The world isn't going to revert back to the '50s. Don't you think you'd best learn how to get along with people?
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Reply #32 - Jul 31^st, 2017 at 12:43pm

Karnal wrote on Jul 31^st, 2017 at 11:01am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 30^th, 2017 at 7:02pm:

People want to be with their own kind Mothra. Racially and culturally compatible. Muslims, Hindus, whities , Africans etc etc etc. Humans are extremely racist by nature. have you ever wondered why the most racist people come from the most multicultural parts of Australia??

People's "own kind" changes. In Rome, different races came together to become citizens. In Britain, Angles, Saxons and Normans came together to become English. In New York, English and Germans WASPS, Irish Catholics, Eastern European Jews and Italians came together to become New Yorkers.

There were conflicts at every turn. Celts didn't like getting invaded by Normans. Romans didn't like having their neighborhoods taken over by worshippers of Christ. The Irish didn't like sharing the NYPD with Poles and Italians.

But all these conflicts were mediated by what came to be known as the rule of law. Socially and politically, along with architecture and aqueducts, this is what civilization is. The British Empire defined civilization as a hierarchy of different groups: farmers, tradespeople, scholars, explorers and rulers. In India, the jewel in Queen Victoria's crown, this was translated into castes and races: Europeans, Aryans, Dravidians, Tibetans, Kashmiris, Burmese, etc, etc, etc. India's complex caste system was consolidated into 5 castes for British consumption.

In the 1940s, Australians were British citizens. We had no Australian flag. in WWII, we fought under the Red Ensign, the flag of the navy. We didn't truly cultivate our own nation until the 1950s, when Australia was already bringing in a mass flux of European migrants.

By the 1970s, Australia was still predominantly Anglo. In my own time, I've seen a predominantly white Anglo city, Sydney, turn into a melting pot. Walking around the CBD, the architecture still says British, but what lies within now says Asian. Asian brands, Asian food, Asian malls. Asian tourists.

In the suburbs, it's Curries, Lebs, Islanders, Viets, Chows - a few sleepy white enclaves on the North Shore (excluding Chatswood), but even these are peppered with European and South African migrants.

Australia is no longer British. We no longer define "our own kind" in racial terms.

Explain the middle east then pumpkin. These groups have hated each other for a 1,000 years. Most places around the world have never integrated.

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Reply #33 - Jul 31^st, 2017 at 1:46pm

Karnal wrote on Jul 31^st, 2017 at 11:23am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 30^th, 2017 at 7:15pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 30^th, 2017 at 7:12pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 30^th, 2017 at 7:02pm:

People want to be with their own kind Mothra. Racially and culturally compatible. Muslims, Hindus, whities , Africans etc etc etc. Humans are extremely racist by nature. have you ever wondered why the most racist people come from the most multicultural parts of Australia??

I don't care what physical form people take. I only judge their ideas. Just a few weeks ago I was surfing with curryshitters at Woolgoolga, which is an awesome place where Indians assimilate beautifully.

I've noticed with Indians if they are a minority in an area with lot's of aussies like Coffs they'll integrate. If not then you'll get western Sydney like Harris Park.

Harris Park is too tame. I'd like to see a bustling Little India there like Penang or Bangkok, but Indians are very careful in Australia to try to fit in.

Fitting in's fine, but it would be great to have a slice of India in Sydney. The Indian population is bit enough now to use it. Chinatown is a major tourist attraction and shopping/restaurant district, spawning other Asian offshoots: Thaitown and Little Seoul.

If I was the Harris Park Chamber of Commerce, I'd work to make Harris Park MORE Indian: Indian murals, street-art, food tours, cultural centres. It would be good to have a wider range of Indian restaurants. I'd like to see more sari shops, more spice shops, more Indian music and Bollywood video stores.

The Indian communities in Sydney - and Indian tourists and students - are big enough to make this viable.

Don't forget outdoor defecation.

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Reply #34 - Jul 31^st, 2017 at 2:31pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 31^st, 2017 at 12:43pm:

Explain the middle east then pumpkin. These groups have hated each other for a 1,000 years. Most places around the world have never integrated.

I'm not sure what you're getting at, dear, but Europeans have hated each other for a lot longer than a thousand years. 200 million of them were killed off only two generations ago.

Europe is now as integrated as could ever be imagined. War between Germans and France, for example, is completely unthinkable.

For much of the 20th century, it was inevitable.

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Reply #35 - Jul 31^st, 2017 at 2:33pm

Karnal wrote on Jul 31^st, 2017 at 2:31pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 31^st, 2017 at 12:43pm:

Explain the middle east then pumpkin. These groups have hated each other for a 1,000 years. Most places around the world have never integrated.

I'm not sure what you're getting at, dear, but Europeans have hated each other for a lot longer than a thousand years. 200 million of them were killed off only two generations ago.

Europe is now as integrated as could ever be imagined. War between Germans and France, for example, is completely unthinkable.

For much of the 20th century, it was inevitable.

Why the lecture on our multicultural utopia then? When has that ever eventuated in the world?

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Reply #36 - Jul 31^st, 2017 at 2:36pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 31^st, 2017 at 2:33pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 31^st, 2017 at 2:31pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 31^st, 2017 at 12:43pm:

Explain the middle east then pumpkin. These groups have hated each other for a 1,000 years. Most places around the world have never integrated.

I'm not sure what you're getting at, dear, but Europeans have hated each other for a lot longer than a thousand years. 200 million of them were killed off only two generations ago.

Europe is now as integrated as could ever be imagined. War between Germans and France, for example, is completely unthinkable.

For much of the 20th century, it was inevitable.

Why the lecture on our multicultural utopia then? When has that ever eventuated in the world?

I thought that would be obvious, Homo. Australia is perhaps the most successful multicultural utopia in the world.

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Reply #37 - Jul 31^st, 2017 at 2:41pm

Karnal wrote on Jul 31^st, 2017 at 2:36pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 31^st, 2017 at 2:33pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 31^st, 2017 at 2:31pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 31^st, 2017 at 12:43pm:

Explain the middle east then pumpkin. These groups have hated each other for a 1,000 years. Most places around the world have never integrated.

I'm not sure what you're getting at, dear, but Europeans have hated each other for a lot longer than a thousand years. 200 million of them were killed off only two generations ago.

Europe is now as integrated as could ever be imagined. War between Germans and France, for example, is completely unthinkable.

For much of the 20th century, it was inevitable.

Why the lecture on our multicultural utopia then? When has that ever eventuated in the world?

I thought that would be obvious, Homo. Australia is perhaps the most successful multicultural utopia in the world.

Australia moved away from a monoculture in the 1950's dear. The experiment is in it's infancy and already there have been hiccups. Let's see what happens when Islam becomes 30% of the population or the majority white population becomes the minority. You'll see a different political landscape with power struggles. We'll probably be dead by then hey princess? It's our kids fight.

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35331 Gender:	Re: Racism is not simply an education issue Reply #38 - Jul 31^st, 2017 at 2:43pm No Hammer, Australia has not ever been a mono-culture. Not even a little bit.
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Fuzzball Gold Member Offline Posts: 6381 Australia Gender:	Re: Racism is not simply an education issue Reply #39 - Jul 31^st, 2017 at 2:59pm mothra wrote on Jul 30^th, 2017 at 7:47pm: Should have known this thread would turn into a demonstration of racism. Typical. Isn't that what you intended mothball?
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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: Racism is not simply an education issue Reply #40 - Jul 31^st, 2017 at 3:03pm mothra wrote on Jul 31^st, 2017 at 2:43pm: No Hammer, Australia has not ever been a mono-culture. Not even a little bit. Oh yes it was. Type in Australia monoculture on any search engine?
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Reply #41 - Jul 31^st, 2017 at 3:19pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 31^st, 2017 at 3:03pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 31^st, 2017 at 2:43pm:

No Hammer, Australia has not ever been a mono-culture. Not even a little bit.

Oh yes it was. Type in Australia monoculture on any search engine?

No Hammer. Even the early settlers were infused with Indigenous influence.

There was a culture already here when we got here. It hasn't gone anywhere.

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 84029 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: Racism is not simply an education issue Reply #42 - Jul 31^st, 2017 at 4:17pm Indeed not - in it current many forms it is a blunt instrument with which the true believers can beat the brains out of any opposition, real or imagined, and stride their own way majestically to their personal paradise of total liberty to do as they choose.....
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Reply #43 - Jul 31^st, 2017 at 4:18pm

mothra wrote on Jul 31^st, 2017 at 3:19pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 31^st, 2017 at 3:03pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 31^st, 2017 at 2:43pm:

No Hammer, Australia has not ever been a mono-culture. Not even a little bit.

Oh yes it was. Type in Australia monoculture on any search engine?

No Hammer. Even the early settlers were infused with Indigenous influence.

There was a culture already here when we got here. It hasn't gone anywhere.

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Reply #44 - Jul 31^st, 2017 at 7:16pm

mothra wrote on Jul 31^st, 2017 at 12:42pm:

I understand why you are so irritable all the time, Grendel.

Have you ever considered addressing the root cause?

The world isn't going to revert back to the '50s. Don't you think you'd best learn how to get along with people?

I'm not irritable at all... maybe like all LW Progs you cant handle dissent and are irritated when people show you up for the fool you are.

Not my fault. Stop TROLLING.
Stop being a fool. Cheesy

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