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Reply #90 - Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 9:58am

Gordon wrote on Aug 1^st, 2017 at 10:46pm:

Auggie wrote on Aug 1^st, 2017 at 10:24pm:

Gordon wrote on Aug 1^st, 2017 at 10:18pm:

Auggie wrote on Aug 1^st, 2017 at 10:13pm:

Gordon wrote on Aug 1^st, 2017 at 10:07pm:

In think you're missing the point that we DO pick and choose who comes here. A few years ago hairdressers were high on the skills list, to the detriment of nail artists?

I actually think that the whole skills shortage list is not a good policy, but that's another issue.

It's one thing to discriminate based on occupation; quite another to discriminate based on beliefs.

When a belief is so strong that it makes it holder act like they're living 1000 years in the past, we have the right to question if they're the right fit for our country.

I doubt you'd invite a fundy wahabist into your home, we just scale it up. Australia is home.

Believe it or not, Gordie, I would actually invite him into my home, and engage in discussion with him: provided that he comes in peace, and leaves in peace.

Only to satisfy your curiosity.

Let me put this another way. I've picked a stock or two in my days and I'm not too shabby at it.

Imigration balance needs to be treated like a share portfolio with the emphasis on low risk.

As you know not all cultures are equal because a culture is essentially a collection of ideas, and on balance some are better than others.

Muslims have way too many downsides, particularly when there are so many more low risk options.

Remember, this can't be undone in the future.

We should cease Muslim immigration until the census shows its less than 1% and or when there is a lurch towards modernity and secularism in the middle east.

On that I won't hold my breath.

You have to imagine the consequences of any policy: the PM appears in tv and announces such measures. This would completely alienate the local Muslim population who we need to help fight these bad ideas. Second, Muslims around the world would see this as oppression. The result would be a disaster: we would have even more attacks, vilification and security issues.

Thats why the government won't and shouldn't enact any such policy.

Unfortunately this is the world we live in at the moment. We have to work with what we've got. Yes, I agree that the left has failed in calling out those who hold pernicious beliefs. Neither is the answer to target Muslims

It would be a disaster.

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Reply #91 - Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 10:02am

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 9:35am:

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 9:24am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 9:15am:

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 8:01am:

Auggie wrote on Aug 1^st, 2017 at 8:47pm:

Johnnie wrote on Aug 1^st, 2017 at 8:42pm:

The most cringe worthy thing is to know it is still happening, even here in OZ.

Yes, but in Australia they are free to choose to wear it. There is no law against or for it.

But since it isn't a right, we can easily make a nice little law and ban that sh1t for 'safety' reasons.

If it's about 'safety', you'll have to ban these too:

http://entertainmentstore.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/AFL6.jpg

Absolutely, this is Australia it is what we do.

We start with the terrorists first and then work our way down to mascots, if that is what you want.

You have no idea how stupid you are, do you?

You want to ban burkas for 'safety' reasons.

i.e. you "think" (and I'm being very generous when I use that word) that a terrorist will use a burka to disguise themselves.

So, using your "logic" (and again, I'm being extremely generous when using that term), a terrorist could quite possibly disguise themselves as a sporting mascot (thousands of people at sporting events, you know).

Or, they could use a burns mask to disguise themselves, or a Halloween mask, etc.

If, as you say, burkas need to be banned because of 'safety', you would have to ban all face coverings.

You really didn't think that one through too well, did you?

And, while we're on the subject of safety, why aren't you calling for a ban on backpacks?

Backpacks are used by terrorists to conceal their explosives.

Why aren't you demanding that legislation be introduced to forbid backpacks in all public areas?

Is it because you're an extremely naive, ignorant, under-educated buffoon, or is it because you're just a regular garden variety Islamophobe, fuelled by irrational fear & hatred, who isn't concerned about safety at all but instead just wants the burka banned because you quite simply don't like the look of it?

I'm genuinely curious.

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Auggie Gold Member Offline The Bull Moose Posts: 8571	Re: Burkas and their place in modern society. Reply #93 - Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 10:08am Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 10:02am: Caeser - you attitude is to pretend nothing is wrong with islam. A lot is wrong with islam. being nice to bullies fails. don't you understand that your proposal would make things significantly worse?
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Reply #94 - Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 10:11am

Auggie wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 10:08am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 10:02am:

Caeser - you attitude is to pretend nothing is wrong with islam.

A lot is wrong with islam.

being nice to bullies fails.

don't you understand that your proposal would make things significantly worse?

Islamophobes aren't the sharpest tools in the shed.

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Reply #95 - Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 10:29am

Auggie wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 10:08am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 10:02am:

Caeser - you attitude is to pretend nothing is wrong with islam.

A lot is wrong with islam.

being nice to bullies fails.

don't you understand that your proposal would make things significantly worse?

the fewer muslims in a country the fewer islamic terrorist attackes.

You are believing the lefty ideas, not looking at reality.

Just because you treat people 'nicely', does not mean they will do the same to you.

'nice' people will, cultists won't.

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Reply #96 - Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 10:32am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 10:29am:

Auggie wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 10:08am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 10:02am:

Caeser - you attitude is to pretend nothing is wrong with islam.

A lot is wrong with islam.

being nice to bullies fails.

don't you understand that your proposal would make things significantly worse?

the fewer muslims in a country the fewer islamic terrorist attackes.

You are believing the lefty ideas, not looking at reality.

Let's look at reality, shall we?

The vast majority of terrorist attacks, and mass murders, carried out in Australia were perpetrated by non-Muslims.

How does that reality feel, Sprinty?

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Reply #97 - Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 10:35am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 10:29am:

Auggie wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 10:08am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 10:02am:

Caeser - you attitude is to pretend nothing is wrong with islam.

A lot is wrong with islam.

being nice to bullies fails.

don't you understand that your proposal would make things significantly worse?

the fewer muslims in a country the fewer islamic terrorist attackes.

You are believing the lefty ideas, not looking at reality.

Just because you treat people 'nicely', does not mean they will do the same to you.

'nice' people will, cultists won't.

Yes but what about Muslim Australians who are already here? How do you think they will feel? What about Muslims around the world?

Vilifying people like Gandalf who we need as allies in this fight for ideas is a bad move.

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Reply #98 - Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 11:00am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 10:29am:

Auggie wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 10:08am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 10:02am:

Caeser - you attitude is to pretend nothing is wrong with islam.

A lot is wrong with islam.

being nice to bullies fails.

don't you understand that your proposal would make things significantly worse?

the fewer muslims in a country the fewer islamic terrorist attackes.

Alas, Sprint, the facts hardly reflect your proposition. To my knowledge, Iran and Saudi Arabia have had no terrorist attacks. The largest Muslim country - Indonesia - has had about 4 in recent memory.

The majority of terrorist attacks are carried out in countries engaged in civil war - Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan. Bordering countries also cop it - Lebanon, Turkey, Pakistan.

Terrorism nearly always has military motives or objectives. ISIS has been attempting to carve a state out of Iraq and Syria. Attacks in Thailand and the Philippines have been in response to military action as part of separatist campaigns.

The cause of terrorism is not religion as such, but civil wars or independence struggles. Sri Lanka suffered similar attacks during their long civil war. The Tamil Tigers even invented the suicide bomb vest.

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Reply #99 - Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 11:08am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 10:29am:

Auggie wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 10:08am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 10:02am:

Caeser - you attitude is to pretend nothing is wrong with islam.

A lot is wrong with islam.

being nice to bullies fails.

don't you understand that your proposal would make things significantly worse?

the fewer muslims in a country the fewer islamic terrorist attacks.

Islamic terrorist attacks aren't a huge problem in this country.

Moreover, it's only a very small minority of Muslims (all over the globe) who become terrorists.

If you were really concerned about saving lives in this country, you'd be concentrating your efforts in other areas, such as calling for a ban on cars.

Are Islamic terrorists killing 1,200 people every year in Australia, Sprinty?

And, what about cigarettes?

Are Islamic terrorists killing 18,000 people in our country every year, Sprinty?

How about mass murders in Australia?

Martin Bryant, Roger Kingsley Dean, Robert Paul Long, John Bunting, Robert Wagner, and James Vlassakis, Julian Knight, et al.

Muslims?

I don't think so, Sprinty.

You see, you're not concerned about the safety of Australian citizens at all.

You're just a regular Islamophobe, fueled by irrational fear & hatred, with a good sprinkling of ignorance.

Tsk tsk Roll Eyes

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Reply #100 - Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 12:07pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 11:08am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 10:29am:

Auggie wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 10:08am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 10:02am:

Caeser - you attitude is to pretend nothing is wrong with islam.

A lot is wrong with islam.

being nice to bullies fails.

don't you understand that your proposal would make things significantly worse?

the fewer muslims in a country the fewer islamic terrorist attacks.

Islamic terrorist attacks aren't a huge problem in this country.

Moreover, it's only a very small minority of Muslims (all over the globe) who become terrorists.

If you were really concerned about saving lives in this country, you'd be concentrating your efforts in other areas, such as calling for a ban on cars.

Are Islamic terrorists killing 1,200 people every year in Australia, Sprinty?

And, what about cigarettes?

Are Islamic terrorists killing 18,000 people in our country every year, Sprinty?

How about mass murders in Australia?

Martin Bryant, Roger Kingsley Dean, Robert Paul Long, John Bunting, Robert Wagner, and James Vlassakis, Julian Knight, et al.

Muslims?

I don't think so, Sprinty.

You see, you're not concerned about the safety of Australian citizens at all.

You're just a regular Islamophobe, fueled by irrational fear & hatred, with a good sprinkling of ignorance.

Tsk tsk Roll Eyes

We are fortunate in that vetting and surveillance of Muss-lims here plus the very genuine warm welcome they got here (something many choose to refuse to accept as reality) have prevented outbreaks such as those Offshore....

It is the few that we need to weed out and get rid of for good.... lest they infect the whole barrel.... who can forget the US special forces doctor who opened fire at an assembly station for troops headed to Iraq and killed around 17 US soldiers (I think)? Even your educated Mussos who've benefited mightily from the nation can turn into vipers....

You want to take that chance?

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Reply #101 - Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 12:08pm

Karnal wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 11:00am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 10:29am:

Auggie wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 10:08am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 10:02am:

Caeser - you attitude is to pretend nothing is wrong with islam.

A lot is wrong with islam.

being nice to bullies fails.

don't you understand that your proposal would make things significantly worse?

the fewer muslims in a country the fewer islamic terrorist attackes.

Alas, Sprint, the facts hardly reflect your proposition. To my knowledge, Iran and Saudi Arabia have had no terrorist attacks. The largest Muslim country - Indonesia - has had about 4 in recent memory.

The majority of terrorist attacks are carried out in countries engaged in civil war - Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan. Bordering countries also cop it - Lebanon, Turkey, Pakistan.

Terrorism nearly always has military motives or objectives. ISIS has been attempting to carve a state out of Iraq and Syria. Attacks in Thailand and the Philippines have been in response to military action as part of separatist campaigns.

The cause of terrorism is not religion as such, but civil wars or independence struggles. Sri Lanka suffered similar attacks during their long civil war. The Tamil Tigers even invented the suicide bomb vest.

that is how a cult works.

iran and saudi are THE cult strongholds.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 136692 Gender:	Re: Burkas and their place in modern society. Reply #102 - Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 12:17pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 12:07pm: It is the few that we need to weed out and get rid of for good.... lest they infect the whole barrel.... That's right - just the few who present a problem. No need to throw out the whole barrel.
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Reply #103 - Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 12:17pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 12:08pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 11:00am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 10:29am:

Auggie wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 10:08am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 10:02am:

Caeser - you attitude is to pretend nothing is wrong with islam.

A lot is wrong with islam.

being nice to bullies fails.

don't you understand that your proposal would make things significantly worse?

the fewer muslims in a country the fewer islamic terrorist attackes.

Alas, Sprint, the facts hardly reflect your proposition. To my knowledge, Iran and Saudi Arabia have had no terrorist attacks. The largest Muslim country - Indonesia - has had about 4 in recent memory.

The majority of terrorist attacks are carried out in countries engaged in civil war - Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan. Bordering countries also cop it - Lebanon, Turkey, Pakistan.

Terrorism nearly always has military motives or objectives. ISIS has been attempting to carve a state out of Iraq and Syria. Attacks in Thailand and the Philippines have been in response to military action as part of separatist campaigns.

The cause of terrorism is not religion as such, but civil wars or independence struggles. Sri Lanka suffered similar attacks during their long civil war. The Tamil Tigers even invented the suicide bomb vest.

that is how a cult works.

iran and saudi are THE cult strongholds.

You know that iran has almost 3000 years of history?

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40715 Gender:	Re: Burkas and their place in modern society. Reply #104 - Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 12:19pm don't use rhetorical questions. You are an idealist who is wrong.
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