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Reply #45 - Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:32pm
 
Auggie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:28pm:
Johnnie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:25pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:11pm:
Johnnie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:07pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 8:59pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 8:55pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 8:51pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 8:49pm:
The right to choose to submit to the societal pressure of the most toxic for of islam, whaabism.



if that's what they choose, who are you to say otherwise? Or is democracy only good when you agree with the outcome?


Simple.  Ban the immigration of ultra conservative Muslim nut jobs.

Ban Saudi trained imams.




Mmm. That's treading a very fine line.

What I would do, as a centrist position, is to significantly reduce immigration across the board; refugees more so. This way, it effects everyone, irrespective of race, religion or creed.

Which means that once the quota's up, and there's a bunch of persecuted Christian Syrians, we won't be able to take them.

You can't pick and choose: either everyone is affected, or no one is affected.

Yep easy, ban Muslims till the stop blowing up teenage girls.


Incorrect, if you want to ban Muslims, then you have to ban everybody.

Is that because of political correctionism or some other sinister agenda.


Neither. It's because we shouldn't pick and choose who gets what, or who has the right to what.

When it affects everybody, there's no discrimination.


Thats BS. We should take people who are most suitable.
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Reply #46 - Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:32pm
 
Gordon wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:26pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:21pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:17pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:10pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:06pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:01pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:00pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 8:54pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 8:52pm:
Islam is a religion of apartheid.

Go to Lakemba and see the lack of women even enjoying sitting in a cafe.  The cafes are chock full of men smoking, having animated conversations and eating sweets biscuits.

Hardly a woman in sight.


So? It's neither your business nor mine.


These men sneer at the sight of woman unucompanied by a man. It's my business on what our future society will be like. I have a daughter who will have to exist in the same city as these nut jobs.  Do you?


Are you able to avoid Lakemba?


They have cars dude.
You honestly need to do a fact finding tour to SW Sydney and I'd gladly accompany you.

I just wonder why we need fundementally religious Muslims while the rest of society is turning away frome religion.


Look, I take your point. I have never experienced something like that. I don't have any kids, either.

I'm not completely delusional to think that beliefs don't necessarily lead to actions.

I can't reconcile your point of view with my Libertarian views, Gordie. Help me out?


I'm also a centrist with both social and libertarian leanings on some things but increasingly I'm meeting lefties who are going very cold on Islam.  Guess which ones.....yup, the ones who bump up against their hyper patriarchal inflexible and intolerant culture.

The tolerant tolerating the intolerant in the name of tolerance is just as stupid as that sentence sounds Smiley


Between you and me, I think I'm becoming a conservative, only a little.


It happens with age. I used to kick around with the Greens, but back then they were actually environmentalists.

The thing is Caesar, Islam has been well and truly hijacked by wahhabism. It's in the mosques and schools and prayer halls. We're becoming more liberalism yet we're told we have to accept the most illiberal cultures on the planet?


This is gonna sound controversial, but we should significantly reduce refugee intake to either zero or almost zero, and allow temporary, work and study migrants only.

The issue is how do we deal with unlawful entrants? Probably sent them to Indonesia, or grant them temporary protection visas like Howard, and then if they kick up a stick, then we can deport them.
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Reply #47 - Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:32pm
 
Auggie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:28pm:
Johnnie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:25pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:11pm:
Johnnie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:07pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 8:59pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 8:55pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 8:51pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 8:49pm:
The right to choose to submit to the societal pressure of the most toxic for of islam, whaabism.



if that's what they choose, who are you to say otherwise? Or is democracy only good when you agree with the outcome?


Simple.  Ban the immigration of ultra conservative Muslim nut jobs.

Ban Saudi trained imams.




Mmm. That's treading a very fine line.

What I would do, as a centrist position, is to significantly reduce immigration across the board; refugees more so. This way, it effects everyone, irrespective of race, religion or creed.

Which means that once the quota's up, and there's a bunch of persecuted Christian Syrians, we won't be able to take them.

You can't pick and choose: either everyone is affected, or no one is affected.

Yep easy, ban Muslims till the stop blowing up teenage girls.


Incorrect, if you want to ban Muslims, then you have to ban everybody.

Is that because of political correctionism or some other sinister agenda.


Neither. It's because we shouldn't pick and choose who gets what, or who has the right to what.

When it affects everybody, there's no discrimination.
Australias immigration intake is necessarily discriminatory and always has been.
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Reply #48 - Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:33pm
 
Gordon wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:32pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:28pm:
Johnnie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:25pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:11pm:
Johnnie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:07pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 8:59pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 8:55pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 8:51pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 8:49pm:
The right to choose to submit to the societal pressure of the most toxic for of islam, whaabism.



if that's what they choose, who are you to say otherwise? Or is democracy only good when you agree with the outcome?


Simple.  Ban the immigration of ultra conservative Muslim nut jobs.

Ban Saudi trained imams.




Mmm. That's treading a very fine line.

What I would do, as a centrist position, is to significantly reduce immigration across the board; refugees more so. This way, it effects everyone, irrespective of race, religion or creed.

Which means that once the quota's up, and there's a bunch of persecuted Christian Syrians, we won't be able to take them.

You can't pick and choose: either everyone is affected, or no one is affected.

Yep easy, ban Muslims till the stop blowing up teenage girls.


Incorrect, if you want to ban Muslims, then you have to ban everybody.

Is that because of political correctionism or some other sinister agenda.


Neither. It's because we shouldn't pick and choose who gets what, or who has the right to what.

When it affects everybody, there's no discrimination.


Thats BS. We should take people who are most suitable.


You can't discriminate. It's everyone or no one.
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Reply #49 - Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:34pm
 
Auggie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:28pm:
Johnnie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:25pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:11pm:
Johnnie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:07pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 8:59pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 8:55pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 8:51pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 8:49pm:
The right to choose to submit to the societal pressure of the most toxic for of islam, whaabism.



if that's what they choose, who are you to say otherwise? Or is democracy only good when you agree with the outcome?


Simple.  Ban the immigration of ultra conservative Muslim nut jobs.

Ban Saudi trained imams.




Mmm. That's treading a very fine line.

What I would do, as a centrist position, is to significantly reduce immigration across the board; refugees more so. This way, it effects everyone, irrespective of race, religion or creed.

Which means that once the quota's up, and there's a bunch of persecuted Christian Syrians, we won't be able to take them.

You can't pick and choose: either everyone is affected, or no one is affected.

Yep easy, ban Muslims till the stop blowing up teenage girls.


Incorrect, if you want to ban Muslims, then you have to ban everybody.

Is that because of political correctionism or some other sinister agenda.


Neither. It's because we shouldn't pick and choose who gets what, or who has the right to what.

When it affects everybody, there's no discrimination.

We know the root cause of the problem and its not the Mormans, logic would be to stop the offending religious nutters from entering.
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Reply #50 - Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:35pm
 
rhino wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:32pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:28pm:
Johnnie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:25pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:11pm:
Johnnie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:07pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 8:59pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 8:55pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 8:51pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 8:49pm:
The right to choose to submit to the societal pressure of the most toxic for of islam, whaabism.



if that's what they choose, who are you to say otherwise? Or is democracy only good when you agree with the outcome?


Simple.  Ban the immigration of ultra conservative Muslim nut jobs.

Ban Saudi trained imams.




Mmm. That's treading a very fine line.

What I would do, as a centrist position, is to significantly reduce immigration across the board; refugees more so. This way, it effects everyone, irrespective of race, religion or creed.

Which means that once the quota's up, and there's a bunch of persecuted Christian Syrians, we won't be able to take them.

You can't pick and choose: either everyone is affected, or no one is affected.

Yep easy, ban Muslims till the stop blowing up teenage girls.


Incorrect, if you want to ban Muslims, then you have to ban everybody.

Is that because of political correctionism or some other sinister agenda.


Neither. It's because we shouldn't pick and choose who gets what, or who has the right to what.

When it affects everybody, there's no discrimination.
Australias immigration intake is necessarily discriminatory and always has been.


Yes, in the sense that those with certain passports get special privileges; but this is quite different from barring or granting entry based on religion or race. A Muslim with an American passport is judged according to his/her nationality, not religion.

My idea is to significantly reduce refugee intake to nearly zero, but allow all other migration in plentiful numbers.
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Reply #51 - Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:36pm
 
Johnnie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:34pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:28pm:
Johnnie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:25pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:11pm:
Johnnie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:07pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 8:59pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 8:55pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 8:51pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 8:49pm:
The right to choose to submit to the societal pressure of the most toxic for of islam, whaabism.



if that's what they choose, who are you to say otherwise? Or is democracy only good when you agree with the outcome?


Simple.  Ban the immigration of ultra conservative Muslim nut jobs.

Ban Saudi trained imams.




Mmm. That's treading a very fine line.

What I would do, as a centrist position, is to significantly reduce immigration across the board; refugees more so. This way, it effects everyone, irrespective of race, religion or creed.

Which means that once the quota's up, and there's a bunch of persecuted Christian Syrians, we won't be able to take them.

You can't pick and choose: either everyone is affected, or no one is affected.

Yep easy, ban Muslims till the stop blowing up teenage girls.


Incorrect, if you want to ban Muslims, then you have to ban everybody.

Is that because of political correctionism or some other sinister agenda.


Neither. It's because we shouldn't pick and choose who gets what, or who has the right to what.

When it affects everybody, there's no discrimination.

We know the root cause of the problem and its not the Mormans, logic would be to stop the offending religious nutters from entering.


It doesn't matter.

You can't have your cake and eat it too.
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Reply #52 - Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:37pm
 
Auggie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:33pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:32pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:28pm:
Johnnie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:25pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:11pm:
Johnnie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:07pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 8:59pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 8:55pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 8:51pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 8:49pm:
The right to choose to submit to the societal pressure of the most toxic for of islam, whaabism.



if that's what they choose, who are you to say otherwise? Or is democracy only good when you agree with the outcome?


Simple.  Ban the immigration of ultra conservative Muslim nut jobs.

Ban Saudi trained imams.




Mmm. That's treading a very fine line.

What I would do, as a centrist position, is to significantly reduce immigration across the board; refugees more so. This way, it effects everyone, irrespective of race, religion or creed.

Which means that once the quota's up, and there's a bunch of persecuted Christian Syrians, we won't be able to take them.

You can't pick and choose: either everyone is affected, or no one is affected.

Yep easy, ban Muslims till the stop blowing up teenage girls.


Incorrect, if you want to ban Muslims, then you have to ban everybody.

Is that because of political correctionism or some other sinister agenda.


Neither. It's because we shouldn't pick and choose who gets what, or who has the right to what.

When it affects everybody, there's no discrimination.


Thats BS. We should take people who are most suitable.


You can't discriminate. It's everyone or no one.


Would an American neo nazi with a swastika tattoo on his head pass the first immigration interview ?


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Reply #53 - Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:40pm
 
Gordon wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:37pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:33pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:32pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:28pm:
Johnnie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:25pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:11pm:
Johnnie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:07pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 8:59pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 8:55pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 8:51pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 8:49pm:
The right to choose to submit to the societal pressure of the most toxic for of islam, whaabism.



if that's what they choose, who are you to say otherwise? Or is democracy only good when you agree with the outcome?


Simple.  Ban the immigration of ultra conservative Muslim nut jobs.

Ban Saudi trained imams.




Mmm. That's treading a very fine line.

What I would do, as a centrist position, is to significantly reduce immigration across the board; refugees more so. This way, it effects everyone, irrespective of race, religion or creed.

Which means that once the quota's up, and there's a bunch of persecuted Christian Syrians, we won't be able to take them.

You can't pick and choose: either everyone is affected, or no one is affected.

Yep easy, ban Muslims till the stop blowing up teenage girls.


Incorrect, if you want to ban Muslims, then you have to ban everybody.

Is that because of political correctionism or some other sinister agenda.


Neither. It's because we shouldn't pick and choose who gets what, or who has the right to what.

When it affects everybody, there's no discrimination.


Thats BS. We should take people who are most suitable.


You can't discriminate. It's everyone or no one.


Would an American neo nazi with a swastika tattoo on his head pass the first immigration interview ?




In Australia, I think he would. Unless, there's a law stating otherwise?

If that's the case, then this is wrong.
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Reply #54 - Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:42pm
 
Auggie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:35pm:
rhino wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:32pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:28pm:
Johnnie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:25pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:11pm:
Johnnie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:07pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 8:59pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 8:55pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 8:51pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 8:49pm:
The right to choose to submit to the societal pressure of the most toxic for of islam, whaabism.



if that's what they choose, who are you to say otherwise? Or is democracy only good when you agree with the outcome?


Simple.  Ban the immigration of ultra conservative Muslim nut jobs.

Ban Saudi trained imams.




Mmm. That's treading a very fine line.

What I would do, as a centrist position, is to significantly reduce immigration across the board; refugees more so. This way, it effects everyone, irrespective of race, religion or creed.

Which means that once the quota's up, and there's a bunch of persecuted Christian Syrians, we won't be able to take them.

You can't pick and choose: either everyone is affected, or no one is affected.

Yep easy, ban Muslims till the stop blowing up teenage girls.


Incorrect, if you want to ban Muslims, then you have to ban everybody.

Is that because of political correctionism or some other sinister agenda.


Neither. It's because we shouldn't pick and choose who gets what, or who has the right to what.

When it affects everybody, there's no discrimination.
Australias immigration intake is necessarily discriminatory and always has been.


Yes, in the sense that those with certain passports get special privileges; but this is quite different from barring or granting entry based on religion or race. A Muslim with an American passport is judged according to his/her nationality, not religion.

My idea is to significantly reduce refugee intake to nearly zero, but allow all other migration in plentiful numbers.

I agree, only Swedish women with long blonde hair should be allowed to come here.
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Reply #55 - Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:44pm
 
Auggie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:40pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:37pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:33pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:32pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:28pm:
Johnnie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:25pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:11pm:
Johnnie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:07pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 8:59pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 8:55pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 8:51pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 8:49pm:
The right to choose to submit to the societal pressure of the most toxic for of islam, whaabism.



if that's what they choose, who are you to say otherwise? Or is democracy only good when you agree with the outcome?


Simple.  Ban the immigration of ultra conservative Muslim nut jobs.

Ban Saudi trained imams.




Mmm. That's treading a very fine line.

What I would do, as a centrist position, is to significantly reduce immigration across the board; refugees more so. This way, it effects everyone, irrespective of race, religion or creed.

Which means that once the quota's up, and there's a bunch of persecuted Christian Syrians, we won't be able to take them.

You can't pick and choose: either everyone is affected, or no one is affected.

Yep easy, ban Muslims till the stop blowing up teenage girls.


Incorrect, if you want to ban Muslims, then you have to ban everybody.

Is that because of political correctionism or some other sinister agenda.


Neither. It's because we shouldn't pick and choose who gets what, or who has the right to what.

When it affects everybody, there's no discrimination.


Thats BS. We should take people who are most suitable.


You can't discriminate. It's everyone or no one.


Would an American neo nazi with a swastika tattoo on his head pass the first immigration interview ?




In Australia, I think he would. Unless, there's a law stating otherwise?

If that's the case, then this is wrong.


He wouldn't.
He wouldn't pass the character test.
Currently ultra conservative Muslims do due to moral confusion.

Read this, tell me what you think.

As it turns out, to denigrate the Taliban at a scientific meeting is to court controversy (after all, “Who decides what is a successful life?”) At the conclusion of my talk, I fell into debate with another invited speaker, who seemed, at first glance, to be very well positioned to reason effectively about the implications of science for our understanding of morality. She holds a degree in genetics from Dartmouth, a masters in biology from Harvard, and a law degree, another masters, and a Ph.D. in the philosophy of biology from Duke. This scholar is now a recognized authority on the intersection between criminal law, genetics, neuroscience and philosophy. Here is a snippet of our conversation, more or less verbatim:

She: What makes you think that science will ever be able to say that forcing women to wear burqas is wrong?

Me: Because I think that right and wrong are a matter of increasing or decreasing well-being—and it is obvious that forcing half the population to live in cloth bags, and beating or killing them if they refuse, is not a good strategy for maximizing human well-being.

She: But that’s only your opinion.

Me: Okay... Let’s make it even simpler. What if we found a culture that ritually blinded every third child by literally plucking out his or her eyes at birth, would you then agree that we had found a culture that was needlessly diminishing human well-being?

She: It would depend on why they were doing it.

Me (slowly returning my eyebrows from the back of my head): Let’s say they were doing it on the basis of religious superstition. In their scripture, God says, “Every third must walk in darkness.”

She: Then you could never say that they were wrong.
Such opinions are not uncommon in the Ivory Tower.

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Reply #56 - Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:46pm
 
Auggie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:35pm:


Yes, in the sense that those with certain passports get special privileges; but this is quite different from barring or granting entry based on religion or race. A Muslim with an American passport is judged according to his/her nationality, not religion.

You think limiting the number of Chinese and Indian immigrants isnt based on race? If the intake wasnt adjusted for religion how many Muslims do you think would be here? Its not a matter of "barring entry" its simply a matter of not granting that many visas to particular groups.

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My idea is to significantly reduce refugee intake to nearly zero, but allow all other migration in plentiful numbers.
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Reply #57 - Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:54pm
 
Gordon wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:44pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:40pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:37pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:33pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:32pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:28pm:
Johnnie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:25pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:11pm:
Johnnie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:07pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 8:59pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 8:55pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 8:51pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 8:49pm:
The right to choose to submit to the societal pressure of the most toxic for of islam, whaabism.



if that's what they choose, who are you to say otherwise? Or is democracy only good when you agree with the outcome?


Simple.  Ban the immigration of ultra conservative Muslim nut jobs.

Ban Saudi trained imams.




Mmm. That's treading a very fine line.

What I would do, as a centrist position, is to significantly reduce immigration across the board; refugees more so. This way, it effects everyone, irrespective of race, religion or creed.

Which means that once the quota's up, and there's a bunch of persecuted Christian Syrians, we won't be able to take them.

You can't pick and choose: either everyone is affected, or no one is affected.

Yep easy, ban Muslims till the stop blowing up teenage girls.


Incorrect, if you want to ban Muslims, then you have to ban everybody.

Is that because of political correctionism or some other sinister agenda.


Neither. It's because we shouldn't pick and choose who gets what, or who has the right to what.

When it affects everybody, there's no discrimination.


Thats BS. We should take people who are most suitable.


You can't discriminate. It's everyone or no one.


Would an American neo nazi with a swastika tattoo on his head pass the first immigration interview ?




In Australia, I think he would. Unless, there's a law stating otherwise?

If that's the case, then this is wrong.


He wouldn't.
He wouldn't pass the character test.
Currently ultra conservative Muslims do due to moral confusion.

Read this, tell me what you think.

As it turns out, to denigrate the Taliban at a scientific meeting is to court controversy (after all, “Who decides what is a successful life?”) At the conclusion of my talk, I fell into debate with another invited speaker, who seemed, at first glance, to be very well positioned to reason effectively about the implications of science for our understanding of morality. She holds a degree in genetics from Dartmouth, a masters in biology from Harvard, and a law degree, another masters, and a Ph.D. in the philosophy of biology from Duke. This scholar is now a recognized authority on the intersection between criminal law, genetics, neuroscience and philosophy. Here is a snippet of our conversation, more or less verbatim:

She: What makes you think that science will ever be able to say that forcing women to wear burqas is wrong?

Me: Because I think that right and wrong are a matter of increasing or decreasing well-being—and it is obvious that forcing half the population to live in cloth bags, and beating or killing them if they refuse, is not a good strategy for maximizing human well-being.

She: But that’s only your opinion.

Me: Okay... Let’s make it even simpler. What if we found a culture that ritually blinded every third child by literally plucking out his or her eyes at birth, would you then agree that we had found a culture that was needlessly diminishing human well-being?

She: It would depend on why they were doing it.

Me (slowly returning my eyebrows from the back of my head): Let’s say they were doing it on the basis of religious superstition. In their scripture, God says, “Every third must walk in darkness.”

She: Then you could never say that they were wrong.
Such opinions are not uncommon in the Ivory Tower.



I've heard this example before by Sam Harris. It's an interesting example. I think the woman in question was employed by President Obama in a diversity commission. Her point of view was politically-motivated, and conformed to a political agenda.

I totally take your point though.

The question is: should we have a policy that discriminates against people based on what they believe? This is essentially policing thought, and this is a slippery slope. That's why I say that if we are wanting to exclude a group of people based on their beliefs and thoughts, then we need to also exclude all other persons based on their beliefs and thoughts as well, irrespective of whether or not they are conducive to well-being. As soon as you start picking and choosing, then you're essentially dictating which group of people has rights, and which others don't. And this is a dangerous precedent - akin to totalitarianism.
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Where the hell is god, probably working in mysterious ways.
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rhino wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:46pm:
You think limiting the number of Chinese and Indian immigrants isnt based on race? If the intake wasnt adjusted for religion how many Muslims do you think would be here? Its not a matter of "barring entry" its simply a matter of not granting that many visas to particular groups.


But what if a Muslim person who holds German citizenship applies to study in Australia? Or do business? Do we exclude him/her because he/she is Muslim, notwithstanding their citizenship?

rhino wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 9:46pm:
Why?


Simple, because if you want to exclude those who hold extremist and intolerant beliefs (as some people do), then the greater preponderance of such persons are almost always among refugees and asylum seekers. Therefore, if you were to cut refugee intake to zero, you would effectively at this point in time, given the world situation, be taking in very few Muslims.

Therefore, isn't your goal achieved?
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