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Reply #60 - Aug 1^st, 2017 at 10:04pm

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rhino wrote on Aug 1^st, 2017 at 9:46pm:

You think limiting the number of Chinese and Indian immigrants isnt based on race? If the intake wasnt adjusted for religion how many Muslims do you think would be here? Its not a matter of "barring entry" its simply a matter of not granting that many visas to particular groups.

But what if a Muslim person who holds German citizenship applies to study in Australia? Or do business? Do we exclude him/her because he/she is Muslim, notwithstanding their citizenship?

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Simple, because if you want to exclude those who hold extremist and intolerant beliefs (as some people do), then the greater preponderance of such persons are almost always among refugees and asylum seekers.

Therefore, isn't your goal achieved?

Theres no evidence of that, if fact the opposite may well be true.

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Therefore, if you were to cut refugee intake to zero, you would effectively at this point in time, given the world situation, be taking in very few Muslims.

How about we just dont take Muslims.

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Reply #61 - Aug 1^st, 2017 at 10:07pm

In think you're missing the point that we DO pick and choose who comes here. A few years ago hairdressers were high on the skills list, to the detriment of nail artists?

We already take who we need but we just need to be a bit more selective.

As for the slippery slope, well that can be applied to anything but we shouldn't be afraid of making pragmatic steps just because of what else could follow

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Reply #62 - Aug 1^st, 2017 at 10:08pm

rhino wrote on Aug 1^st, 2017 at 10:04pm:

Yes.

Even if that person holds liberal beliefs and values?

rhino wrote on Aug 1^st, 2017 at 10:04pm:

Theres no evidence of that, if fact the opposite may well be true.

What do you mean 'the opposite may be true.' As far as I'm aware, most of the issues surrounding the Muslim community with regard to Wahhabist values are more prevalent among uneducated, and poor Muslims. Sure, you'll get those who are educated who hold such beliefs, but they'd be significantly less in number.

rhino wrote on Aug 1^st, 2017 at 10:04pm:

How about we just dont take Muslims.

Because that is not in accordance with the principal of 'equality under law'.

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Reply #63 - Aug 1^st, 2017 at 10:12pm

Auggie wrote on Aug 1^st, 2017 at 10:08pm:

What do you mean 'the opposite may be true.' As far as I'm aware, most of the issues surrounding the Muslim community with regard to Wahhabist values are more prevalent among uneducated, and poor Muslims. Sure, you'll get those who are educated who hold such beliefs, but they'd be significantly less in number.

have a look at the perpetrators of Muslim terrorist attacks in the West. None of them are poor or uneducated.

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Because that is not in accordance with the principal of 'equality under law'.

Neither is what you are proposing.

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Reply #64 - Aug 1^st, 2017 at 10:13pm

Gordon wrote on Aug 1^st, 2017 at 10:07pm:

In think you're missing the point that we DO pick and choose who comes here. A few years ago hairdressers were high on the skills list, to the detriment of nail artists?

I actually think that the whole skills shortage list is not a good policy, but that's another issue.

It's one thing to discriminate based on occupation; quite another to discriminate based on beliefs.

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Reply #65 - Aug 1^st, 2017 at 10:15pm

rhino wrote on Aug 1^st, 2017 at 10:12pm:

have a look at the perpetrators of Muslim terrorist attacks in the West. None of them are poor or uneducated.

We're not talking about Jihadis, those who blow up people - criminals come in all shapes and colours. We're talking about people who hold pernicious beliefs that affect daily interactions with people.

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Reply #66 - Aug 1^st, 2017 at 10:18pm

Auggie wrote on Aug 1^st, 2017 at 10:13pm:

Gordon wrote on Aug 1^st, 2017 at 10:07pm:

In think you're missing the point that we DO pick and choose who comes here. A few years ago hairdressers were high on the skills list, to the detriment of nail artists?

I actually think that the whole skills shortage list is not a good policy, but that's another issue.

It's one thing to discriminate based on occupation; quite another to discriminate based on beliefs.

When a belief is so strong that it makes it holder act like they're living 1000 years in the past, we have the right to question if they're the right fit for our country.

I doubt you'd invite a fundy wahabist into your home, we just scale it up. Australia is home.

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Reply #67 - Aug 1^st, 2017 at 10:22pm

Auggie wrote on Aug 1^st, 2017 at 10:15pm:

rhino wrote on Aug 1^st, 2017 at 10:12pm:

have a look at the perpetrators of Muslim terrorist attacks in the West. None of them are poor or uneducated.

We're not talking about Jihadis, those who blow up people - criminals come in all shapes and colours. We're talking about people who hold pernicious beliefs that affect daily interactions with people.

What is the bet the next terror attack in the name of religion against the West is perpetrated by a muslim.
They even blow up teenage girls.
Stop Immigration now.

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Reply #68 - Aug 1^st, 2017 at 10:24pm

Gordon wrote on Aug 1^st, 2017 at 10:18pm:

Auggie wrote on Aug 1^st, 2017 at 10:13pm:

Gordon wrote on Aug 1^st, 2017 at 10:07pm:

In think you're missing the point that we DO pick and choose who comes here. A few years ago hairdressers were high on the skills list, to the detriment of nail artists?

I actually think that the whole skills shortage list is not a good policy, but that's another issue.

It's one thing to discriminate based on occupation; quite another to discriminate based on beliefs.

When a belief is so strong that it makes it holder act like they're living 1000 years in the past, we have the right to question if they're the right fit for our country.

I doubt you'd invite a fundy wahabist into your home, we just scale it up. Australia is home.

Believe it or not, Gordie, I would actually invite him into my home, and engage in discussion with him: provided that he comes in peace, and leaves in peace.

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Reply #69 - Aug 1^st, 2017 at 10:38pm

Auggie wrote on Aug 1^st, 2017 at 10:24pm:

Gordon wrote on Aug 1^st, 2017 at 10:18pm:

Auggie wrote on Aug 1^st, 2017 at 10:13pm:

Gordon wrote on Aug 1^st, 2017 at 10:07pm:

In think you're missing the point that we DO pick and choose who comes here. A few years ago hairdressers were high on the skills list, to the detriment of nail artists?

I actually think that the whole skills shortage list is not a good policy, but that's another issue.

It's one thing to discriminate based on occupation; quite another to discriminate based on beliefs.

When a belief is so strong that it makes it holder act like they're living 1000 years in the past, we have the right to question if they're the right fit for our country.

I doubt you'd invite a fundy wahabist into your home, we just scale it up. Australia is home.

Believe it or not, Gordie, I would actually invite him into my home, and engage in discussion with him: provided that he comes in peace, and leaves in peace.

Yes - I offer the opportunity for those who come in peace and I can tell the ones who don't want to and thus, my door shuts on them. I have no time for people like that.

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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.

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Reply #70 - Aug 1^st, 2017 at 10:46pm

Auggie wrote on Aug 1^st, 2017 at 10:24pm:

Gordon wrote on Aug 1^st, 2017 at 10:18pm:

Auggie wrote on Aug 1^st, 2017 at 10:13pm:

Gordon wrote on Aug 1^st, 2017 at 10:07pm:

In think you're missing the point that we DO pick and choose who comes here. A few years ago hairdressers were high on the skills list, to the detriment of nail artists?

I actually think that the whole skills shortage list is not a good policy, but that's another issue.

It's one thing to discriminate based on occupation; quite another to discriminate based on beliefs.

When a belief is so strong that it makes it holder act like they're living 1000 years in the past, we have the right to question if they're the right fit for our country.

I doubt you'd invite a fundy wahabist into your home, we just scale it up. Australia is home.

Believe it or not, Gordie, I would actually invite him into my home, and engage in discussion with him: provided that he comes in peace, and leaves in peace.

Only to satisfy your curiosity.

Let me put this another way. I've picked a stock or two in my days and I'm not too shabby at it.

Imigration balance needs to be treated like a share portfolio with the emphasis on low risk.

As you know not all cultures are equal because a culture is essentially a collection of ideas, and on balance some are better than others.

Muslims have way too many downsides, particularly when there are so many more low risk options.

Remember, this can't be undone in the future.

We should cease Muslim immigration until the census shows its less than 1% and or when there is a lurch towards modernity and secularism in the middle east.

On that I won't hold my breath.

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Reply #71 - Aug 1^st, 2017 at 11:36pm

Auggie wrote on Aug 1^st, 2017 at 10:15pm:

rhino wrote on Aug 1^st, 2017 at 10:12pm:

have a look at the perpetrators of Muslim terrorist attacks in the West. None of them are poor or uneducated.

We're not talking about Jihadis, those who blow up people - criminals come in all shapes and colours. We're talking about people who hold pernicious beliefs that affect daily interactions with people.

Now now, Augie, Gordon is free to hold pernicious beliefs about all the tinted races.

He pashed a Boong on the bus to Dubbo, you see.

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Reply #72 - Aug 1^st, 2017 at 11:38pm

Karnal wrote on Aug 1^st, 2017 at 11:36pm:

Auggie wrote on Aug 1^st, 2017 at 10:15pm:

rhino wrote on Aug 1^st, 2017 at 10:12pm:

have a look at the perpetrators of Muslim terrorist attacks in the West. None of them are poor or uneducated.

We're not talking about Jihadis, those who blow up people - criminals come in all shapes and colours. We're talking about people who hold pernicious beliefs that affect daily interactions with people.

Now now, Augie, Gordon is free to hold pernicious beliefs about all the tinted races.

He pashed a Boong on the bus to Dubbo, you see.

I nearly pashed a gin once.

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Reply #73 - Aug 1^st, 2017 at 11:38pm

Gordon wrote on Aug 1^st, 2017 at 10:46pm:

Auggie wrote on Aug 1^st, 2017 at 10:24pm:

Gordon wrote on Aug 1^st, 2017 at 10:18pm:

Auggie wrote on Aug 1^st, 2017 at 10:13pm:

Gordon wrote on Aug 1^st, 2017 at 10:07pm:

In think you're missing the point that we DO pick and choose who comes here. A few years ago hairdressers were high on the skills list, to the detriment of nail artists?

I actually think that the whole skills shortage list is not a good policy, but that's another issue.

It's one thing to discriminate based on occupation; quite another to discriminate based on beliefs.

When a belief is so strong that it makes it holder act like they're living 1000 years in the past, we have the right to question if they're the right fit for our country.

I doubt you'd invite a fundy wahabist into your home, we just scale it up. Australia is home.

Believe it or not, Gordie, I would actually invite him into my home, and engage in discussion with him: provided that he comes in peace, and leaves in peace.

Only to satisfy your curiosity.

Let me put this another way. I've picked a stock or two in my days and I'm not too shabby at it.

You nearly married one once, no?

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