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Reply #90 - Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 3:27pm

Johnnie wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 3:04pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 2:45pm:

Johnnie wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 2:36pm:

The politicians in no way represent the general public, they are poofs living in an alternate universe. a free vote in parliament would be a farce and a kick in the guts for democracy.

Really....yet that is what they do....day in, day out......vote in Parliament on Bills. Not democracy?

This issue went to the people in the last election, their was a clear mandate for a plebiscite, Shorten the poof pops his head up and tells Australians to ffkk of. not much democracy their.

The good old 'mandate' argument. As for 'clear' ~ I'd hardly call a one seat majority anything like 'clear.'

But to go back to your mandate position. Just because a Party goes to an election with a grab bag of many policies/promises.......if they are elected, it does not follow that the majority supported every item in that grab bag.

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Reply #91 - Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 3:32pm

Johnnie wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 3:04pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 2:45pm:

Johnnie wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 2:36pm:

The politicians in no way represent the general public, they are poofs living in an alternate universe. a free vote in parliament would be a farce and a kick in the guts for democracy.

Really....yet that is what they do....day in, day out......vote in Parliament on Bills. Not democracy?

This issue went to the people in the last election, their there was a clear mandate for a plebiscite ...

"Though federal election outcomes are traditionally called by political commentators on election night, even during the following day the outcome could not be predicted, with many close seats in doubt.

"After a week of vote counting, still no party had won enough seats in the 150-seat House of Representatives to form a majority government.

"Neither the incumbent Turnbull Government led by Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull of the Liberal/National Coalition nor the Shorten Opposition led by Opposition Leader Bill Shorten of the Australian Labor Party were in a position to concede defeat or claim victory.

"Many political commentators predicted a hung parliament such as occurred at the 2010 election."

"clear mandate" Grin

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Reply #92 - Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 3:33pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 12:55pm:

matty wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 12:51pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 12:39pm:

matty wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 12:31pm:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/jul/18/guardian-essential-poll-f...

This is a pretty recent poll. It found that 50% support the plebiscite, 23% want a parliamentary vote. I am assuming 27% in th middle.

So there we go, the plebiscite has more support than a parliamentary vote, and this poll is from the far-left Guardian.

Actually its a bit more complex than that.Over 50% wanted a plebiscite, but the key point is that 50% of those in the survey, wanted a binding plebiscite.

As far as I am aware though (and my legal knowledge has never been a strong point) a plebiscite cannot ever be fully binding. Nonetheless, I am almost certain that Coalition politicians would act in accordance with the way that the public voted.

"A plebiscite is not binding of parliamentarians, and there have been a number of Coalition MPs who have said they would either abstain from the vote or vote against any legislation".

I think that's wrong. I am 100% opposed to homosexual marriage but if the people were to vote for it then I would accept it.

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Reply #93 - Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 3:34pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 2:02pm:

matty wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 12:51pm:

Pauline Hanson is against homosexual marriage and she said that she would vote for it in the parliament if that is the way that the electorate voted.

Then thats idiotic. Shes elected to represent the electorate. If she ignores the electorates wishes she should resign.

I think that you'd misunderstood something.

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Reply #94 - Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 3:35pm

Aussie wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 2:19pm:

matty wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 12:31pm:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/jul/18/guardian-essential-poll-f...

This is a pretty recent poll. It found that 50% support the plebiscite, 23% want a parliamentary vote. I am assuming 27% in th middle.

So there we go, the plebiscite has more support than a parliamentary vote, and this poll is from the far-left Guardian.

And in other Polls, when it is known that this plebiscite will cost about $180M, support for it collapses to around 40%.

Link?

And like any Labor polly has any talking room on wasted money.

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Reply #95 - Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 3:46pm

Why do homosexuals want to get married anyway? They can already live together in a relationship, like "normal" couples who don't want to get married. The same Law covers them. Split and share everything.

It isn't "illegal" to live with somebody of the same sex, IF that is your thing.

I can live here with my dog or cat or pet fish and nobody gives a crap. However I don't want to stick a ring through the nose of my "pets". Cats, especially, often last longer than a marriage does. Grin

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Reply #96 - Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 5:04pm

matty wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 12:21pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 8:10am:

Gnads wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 7:25am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 1^st, 2017 at 7:29pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Aug 1^st, 2017 at 7:28pm:

But, but, but, it is such a popular measure.

popular or not, they had other things to worry about

And that's what I said before ..... there are other things to worry about ... it's a distraction from what's really important.

and will continue to be a distraction until it's resolved. Just get it over and done with and be done with it.

You yourself said that it should have been resolved years ago. Remember when Labor had that big majority from 2007-2010? And they still held office from 2010-2013.

Who gives a fkk about coulda woulda shoulda ... the libs are in govt. now. Just get it sorted and move on

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Reply #97 - Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 5:04pm

Neferti wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 3:46pm:

Why do homosexuals want to get married anyway? They can already live together in a relationship, like "normal" couples who don't want to get married. The same Law covers them. Split and share everything.

It isn't "illegal" to live with somebody of the same sex, IF that is your thing.

I can live here with my dog or cat or pet fish and nobody gives a crap. However I don't want to stick a ring through the nose of my "pets". Cats, especially, often last longer than a marriage does. Grin

No it doesnt quite cover them.

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Reply #98 - Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 5:05pm

matty wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 3:34pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 2:02pm:

matty wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 12:51pm:

Pauline Hanson is against homosexual marriage and she said that she would vote for it in the parliament if that is the way that the electorate voted.

Then thats idiotic. Shes elected to represent the electorate. If she ignores the electorates wishes she should resign.

I think that you'd misunderstood something.

Yes my error. Still one good thing out of all the other BS shes come up with isn't much. Plus she only said she would, I'd wait to see if she actually did.

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Reply #99 - Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 5:13pm

Neferti wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 3:46pm:

Why do homosexuals want to get married anyway? They can already live together in a relationship, like "normal" couples who don't want to get married. The same Law covers them. Split and share everything.

It isn't "illegal" to live with somebody of the same sex, IF that is your thing.

I can live here with my dog or cat or pet fish and nobody gives a crap. However I don't want to stick a ring through the nose of my "pets". Cats, especially, often last longer than a marriage does. Grin

The only valid argument I've heard is in hospital in an emergency or end of life situation the SS partner of a patient can be excluded from decisions etc.

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Reply #101 - Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 5:14pm

Gordon wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 5:13pm:

Neferti wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 3:46pm:

Why do homosexuals want to get married anyway? They can already live together in a relationship, like "normal" couples who don't want to get married. The same Law covers them. Split and share everything.

It isn't "illegal" to live with somebody of the same sex, IF that is your thing.

I can live here with my dog or cat or pet fish and nobody gives a crap. However I don't want to stick a ring through the nose of my "pets". Cats, especially, often last longer than a marriage does. Grin

The only valid argument I've heard is in hospital in an emergency or end of life situation the SS partner of a patient can be excluded from decisions etc.

All the arguments needed.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74323 Gender:	Re: Poofs are going to cross the floor on SSM. Reply #102 - Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 5:16pm Gordon wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 5:13pm: The only valid argument I've heard is in hospital in an emergency or end of life situation the SS partner of a patient can be excluded from decisions etc. wasn't there also something about being excluded from access to a partners super after they pass away?
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Reply #103 - Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 5:16pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 5:04pm:

Neferti wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 3:46pm:

Why do homosexuals want to get married anyway? They can already live together in a relationship, like "normal" couples who don't want to get married. The same Law covers them. Split and share everything.

It isn't "illegal" to live with somebody of the same sex, IF that is your thing.

I can live here with my dog or cat or pet fish and nobody gives a crap. However I don't want to stick a ring through the nose of my "pets". Cats, especially, often last longer than a marriage does. Grin

No it doesnt quite cover them.

How? Anyone who shacks up with their "partner". "lover" or whatever IS covered.

Please note the bit that states "who may be of the same or opposite sex"...

http://www.familycourt.gov.au/wps/wcm/connect/fcoaweb/family-law-matters/separat...

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Reply #104 - Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 5:17pm

Johnnie wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2017 at 2:36pm:

The politicians in no way represent the general public, they are poofs living in an alternate universe. a free vote in parliament would be a farce and a kick in the guts for democracy.

Seriously? As Aussie said, they do that every single day voting on every single bill. Why is this bill so different?

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