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Reply #30 - Aug 4th, 2017 at 5:02pm
 
We can't help you': Harvey Norman fined for misleading consumers about their rights

Sydney Morning Herald
January 18 2016

   

A Harvey Norman franchisee has been fined $52,000 for repeatedly telling customers with new but problem-plagued computers that it couldn't help them.   Sad

The Federal Court found a Harvey Norman store on the Gold Coast breached two sections of consumer law by falsely telling customers with malfunctioning computers that it had no obligation to provide a remedy and couldn't assist any further without payment.

One woman, whose Sony laptop sometimes failed to start, failed to shut down and was slow, kept being told by a salesperson: "We can't help you."   Sad

One man, who complained his new Acer desktop randomly froze and shut down, was told on two occasions: "There's nothing we can do."

Under consumer law, products sold in Australia come with a consumer guarantee, meaning they must be of acceptable quality. If not, the retailer must offer a repair, replacement or a refund.

The proceedings were brought by the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission.

"This penalty is a timely reminder to all businesses, whether large or small, that they must not mislead consumers about consumer guarantee rights under the Australian Consumer Law," the ACCC's acting chairman Michael Schaper said.

The latest order bumps up the total amount of penalties paid by Harvey Norman franchisees in regards to false or misleading representations about consumer rights to $286,000.

In 2014, four franchisees were hit with penalties ranging from $10,000 to $26,000 - an Oxley store in Queensland, a Gordon store in NSW, and Mandurah and Albany stores in Western Australia.

Justice John Dowsett said, in imposing a penalty of $52,000 against Bunavit, the operator of the Bundall superstore in Queensland, he took into account that there were more impugned statements than in other comparable cases, the conduct continued over a longer period, and more staff members were involved.

He also took into account Bunavit's sales revenue of nearly $70 million and net profit of $1.2 million in 2012-13 - "significantly larger" than other stores in comparable cases.

In the Bunavit case, the salesperson told the customer with the faulty Sony laptop that they couldn't help her and to approach the manufacturer.

But when she received her laptop back from an Sony-authorised service centre, it had developed more problems. Again, Harvey Norman told her to go back to Sony.

When she got her laptop back for the second time, the DC input wasn't working, meaning she could no longer charge the battery.

Harvey Norman employees then told her the DC input issue was her problem, they couldn't help her unless she wanted to pay, and they were not willing to pay for a refund or replacement.   Sad

"The reason is that you did not come to us for the initial repair," a salesperson said.

"If you send the laptop back to Planet Tech to repair the DC input issue, then we will agree to pay for half of the repair costs," the same salesperson said later on the same day.

Only after she lodged complaints with the ACCC and the Queensland Office of Fair Trading did Harvey Norman begin fixing the laptop problems.

Justice Dowsett said broad denials of liability by a retailer may lead a consumer into thinking the persistence required would be "too much trouble, with too little assurance of a satisfactory outcome".

"A great number of electronic devices are purchased by consumers from retailers such as Bunavit. Consumers frequently return such devices, claiming that they are faulty, or not of an acceptable quality," he said.

"A retailer should ensure that its staff members are informed about, and conduct themselves in conformity with, the Australian Consumer Law."

Fairfax Media has contacted Harvey Norman for comment.
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Reply #31 - Aug 4th, 2017 at 5:29pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 4th, 2017 at 4:32pm:
crocodile wrote on Aug 4th, 2017 at 2:00pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 4th, 2017 at 1:29pm:
crocodile wrote on Aug 4th, 2017 at 1:14pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 4th, 2017 at 12:00pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Aug 4th, 2017 at 9:44am:
Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 3rd, 2017 at 11:00pm:
Just heard today Amazon has scoped out a suitable warehouse in Melbourne. Now watch all of the other import junkies crap themselves. Feel the fear Gerry and co ! That's how all of the Aussie manufacturers felt when you sold them out to the foreign competition whilst preserving your own greedy profit margins !

Finally it's the end game for the greedy Bricks and Mortar stores !



I have never seen anyone get as much enjoyment out of foreign companies coming to this country and destroying Australian business as you do.

You are one fkked up little unit.




Who were the punters buying from when old Gerry and co went over to asia to seek out the bargain basement suppliers which subsequently put a lot of local manufacturers out of business when he stopped buying from them ? The internet and e-commerce wasn't around then !! Get your head out of the sand dickhead. What goes around comes around Wink


It seems that way but Ol' Gerry had his hand forced by falling total factor productivity.

It is a real concern that capital productivity has been on the nose for nearly two decades. Positive growth in labour productivity amply demonstrates that in general, local firms are not shy with investment. Most of the day's ills have their roots in this piss poor performance.

https://rorygregg.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/abs_productivity_oct20111.gif


Rubbish rubbish rubbish !!

Gerry adds no value to anything yet commands the lions share of the retail price whilst the local manufacturer who adds nearly all of the value was being squeezed dry. This was never going to be sustainable !!

The chinaman in china couldn't give a sh.t about Gerry and his inefficient bricks and mortar store chain which is why the chinese will sell to anyone. The days of the manufacturer and shop keeper supply chain are long gone. No local manufacturer can hope to compete with the Gerry Harveys taking all of their profits whilst adding no value and taking minimal risk !



Christ you're thick. Labour productivity has been growing you nonce. How is anybody meant to compete when each increment of labour productivity keeps sucking increasing amounts of capital. A textbook would come in handy. Find the chapter on diminishing returns.



where is the productivity from the retail chain then ? Why always go after labor productivity whilst ignoring the elephant in the room ? That is the retailers and their greedy landlords which produce nothing except load up the price with their greedy margins for doing nothing !! They are the least productive whilst sucking the most out of the consumer Sad



Do you understand what labour productivity actually is and the means by which it grows.

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Reply #32 - Aug 5th, 2017 at 12:19pm
 
crocodile wrote on Aug 4th, 2017 at 5:29pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 4th, 2017 at 4:32pm:
crocodile wrote on Aug 4th, 2017 at 2:00pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 4th, 2017 at 1:29pm:
crocodile wrote on Aug 4th, 2017 at 1:14pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 4th, 2017 at 12:00pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Aug 4th, 2017 at 9:44am:
Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 3rd, 2017 at 11:00pm:
Just heard today Amazon has scoped out a suitable warehouse in Melbourne. Now watch all of the other import junkies crap themselves. Feel the fear Gerry and co ! That's how all of the Aussie manufacturers felt when you sold them out to the foreign competition whilst preserving your own greedy profit margins !

Finally it's the end game for the greedy Bricks and Mortar stores !



I have never seen anyone get as much enjoyment out of foreign companies coming to this country and destroying Australian business as you do.

You are one fkked up little unit.




Who were the punters buying from when old Gerry and co went over to asia to seek out the bargain basement suppliers which subsequently put a lot of local manufacturers out of business when he stopped buying from them ? The internet and e-commerce wasn't around then !! Get your head out of the sand dickhead. What goes around comes around Wink


It seems that way but Ol' Gerry had his hand forced by falling total factor productivity.

It is a real concern that capital productivity has been on the nose for nearly two decades. Positive growth in labour productivity amply demonstrates that in general, local firms are not shy with investment. Most of the day's ills have their roots in this piss poor performance.

https://rorygregg.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/abs_productivity_oct20111.gif


Rubbish rubbish rubbish !!

Gerry adds no value to anything yet commands the lions share of the retail price whilst the local manufacturer who adds nearly all of the value was being squeezed dry. This was never going to be sustainable !!

The chinaman in china couldn't give a sh.t about Gerry and his inefficient bricks and mortar store chain which is why the chinese will sell to anyone. The days of the manufacturer and shop keeper supply chain are long gone. No local manufacturer can hope to compete with the Gerry Harveys taking all of their profits whilst adding no value and taking minimal risk !



Christ you're thick. Labour productivity has been growing you nonce. How is anybody meant to compete when each increment of labour productivity keeps sucking increasing amounts of capital. A textbook would come in handy. Find the chapter on diminishing returns.



where is the productivity from the retail chain then ? Why always go after labor productivity whilst ignoring the elephant in the room ? That is the retailers and their greedy landlords which produce nothing except load up the price with their greedy margins for doing nothing !! They are the least productive whilst sucking the most out of the consumer Sad



Do you understand what labour productivity actually is and the means by which it grows.



Don't ignore the elephant in the room mate !! How does Mr Greedy shopkeeper and their risk averse greedy landlords justify the lions share of the retail price without adding any value to the supply chain ? You talk about productivity then check that out ! The chinaman is laughing at us for putting up with old gerry and his cohort of thieves for so long ! They are thanking gerry for putting aussie manufacturers out of business and sending all of the business over to china so gerry could be more greedy !!


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Reply #33 - Aug 5th, 2017 at 2:28pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 5th, 2017 at 12:19pm:
Don't ignore the elephant in the room mate !! How does Mr Greedy shopkeeper and their risk averse greedy landlords justify the lions share of the retail price without adding any value to the supply chain ?

Nails logic: The provision of a distribution network, advertising, customers etc adds no value to the supply chain. Just fukken brilliant.


You talk about productivity then check that out ! The chinaman is laughing at us for putting up with old gerry and his cohort of thieves for so long ! They are thanking gerry for putting aussie manufacturers out of business and sending all of the business over to china so gerry could be more greedy !!

Sorry 'ol chap but Gerry put nobody out of business. It's already been pointed out to you that local multifactor productivity has been in serious decline for nearly two decades. Watch out for those elephants before they trample you.


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Reply #34 - Aug 5th, 2017 at 7:42pm
 
crocodile wrote on Aug 5th, 2017 at 2:28pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 5th, 2017 at 12:19pm:
Don't ignore the elephant in the room mate !! How does Mr Greedy shopkeeper and their risk averse greedy landlords justify the lions share of the retail price without adding any value to the supply chain ?

Nails logic: The provision of a distribution network, advertising, customers etc adds no value to the supply chain. Just fukken brilliant.


You talk about productivity then check that out ! The chinaman is laughing at us for putting up with old gerry and his cohort of thieves for so long ! They are thanking gerry for putting aussie manufacturers out of business and sending all of the business over to china so gerry could be more greedy !!

Sorry 'ol chap but Gerry put nobody out of business. It's already been pointed out to you that local multifactor productivity has been in serious decline for nearly two decades. Watch out for those elephants before they trample you.




I know many manufacturers here who are now thriving because they sell direct whereas they would have surely gone broke dancing to the tune of greedy shopkeepers !

Yep Gerry and co sure put them out of business along with the greedy landlords and now the tables are turning on them. The consumer is doing to Gerry what he did to every manufacturer. Lets see how the most unproductive and the most greedy in the retail chain now face their day of reckoning when market forces take their course. I'm sitting back and watching this with Interest Wink

And BTW both Myers and Harvey Norman are the most shorted stocks at the moment. That should tell you something Wink
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Reply #35 - Aug 5th, 2017 at 8:02pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 5th, 2017 at 7:42pm:
crocodile wrote on Aug 5th, 2017 at 2:28pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 5th, 2017 at 12:19pm:
Don't ignore the elephant in the room mate !! How does Mr Greedy shopkeeper and their risk averse greedy landlords justify the lions share of the retail price without adding any value to the supply chain ?

Nails logic: The provision of a distribution network, advertising, customers etc adds no value to the supply chain. Just fukken brilliant.


You talk about productivity then check that out ! The chinaman is laughing at us for putting up with old gerry and his cohort of thieves for so long ! They are thanking gerry for putting aussie manufacturers out of business and sending all of the business over to china so gerry could be more greedy !!

Sorry 'ol chap but Gerry put nobody out of business. It's already been pointed out to you that local multifactor productivity has been in serious decline for nearly two decades. Watch out for those elephants before they trample you.




I know many manufacturers here who are now thriving because they sell direct whereas they would have surely gone broke dancing to the tune of greedy shopkeepers !

Yep Gerry and co sure put them out of business along with the greedy landlords and now the tables are turning on them. The consumer is doing to Gerry what he did to every manufacturer. Lets see how the most unproductive and the most greedy in the retail chain now face their day of reckoning when market forces take their course. I'm sitting back and watching this with Interest Wink

And BTW both Myers and Harvey Norman are the most shorted stocks at the moment. That should tell you something Wink


Just as I thought. You have no idea what productivity actually is. In terms of both labour and capital. You are an economic nonce. Buy a textbook. The plight of the manufacturers is adequately dealt with in the chapter on comparative advantage. David Ricardo had this all worked out 200 years ago. Dope.
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Reply #36 - Aug 5th, 2017 at 9:58pm
 
crocodile wrote on Aug 5th, 2017 at 8:02pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 5th, 2017 at 7:42pm:
crocodile wrote on Aug 5th, 2017 at 2:28pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 5th, 2017 at 12:19pm:
Don't ignore the elephant in the room mate !! How does Mr Greedy shopkeeper and their risk averse greedy landlords justify the lions share of the retail price without adding any value to the supply chain ?

Nails logic: The provision of a distribution network, advertising, customers etc adds no value to the supply chain. Just fukken brilliant.


You talk about productivity then check that out ! The chinaman is laughing at us for putting up with old gerry and his cohort of thieves for so long ! They are thanking gerry for putting aussie manufacturers out of business and sending all of the business over to china so gerry could be more greedy !!

Sorry 'ol chap but Gerry put nobody out of business. It's already been pointed out to you that local multifactor productivity has been in serious decline for nearly two decades. Watch out for those elephants before they trample you.




I know many manufacturers here who are now thriving because they sell direct whereas they would have surely gone broke dancing to the tune of greedy shopkeepers !

Yep Gerry and co sure put them out of business along with the greedy landlords and now the tables are turning on them. The consumer is doing to Gerry what he did to every manufacturer. Lets see how the most unproductive and the most greedy in the retail chain now face their day of reckoning when market forces take their course. I'm sitting back and watching this with Interest Wink

And BTW both Myers and Harvey Norman are the most shorted stocks at the moment. That should tell you something Wink


Just as I thought. You have no idea what productivity actually is. In terms of both labour and capital. You are an economic nonce. Buy a textbook. The plight of the manufacturers is adequately dealt with in the chapter on comparative advantage. David Ricardo had this all worked out 200 years ago. Dope.


Quote:
Productivity is an economic measure of output per unit of input. Inputs include labor and capital, while output is typically measured in revenues and other gross domestic product (GDP) components such as business inventories.


Now lets apply that definition to shop keepers and see what we get ?

What goes in ? A product in a box

What comes out ? The same product in the same box which is now much more expensive plus huge overheads !!

In other words very unproductive Cheesy




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