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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: 5 Badass Muslim Women Reply #45 - Aug 11^th, 2017 at 4:48pm That image is incitement to violence IMO, and those idiots should have the book thrown at them - as I have argued many times.
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Re: 5 Badass Muslim Women
Reply #46 - Aug 11^th, 2017 at 5:27pm

karnal Reply #32 - Yesterday at 4:20pm

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The command to beat scolding women? The command to burn sorcerers and witches? The command to stone blasphemers? Adulterers? Hommers?

I'd say it'd be in breach of vilification laws at the very least. You?

Vilification against who?

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Deuteronomy 18:9-14
“When you come into the land that the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominable practices of those nations. There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord. And because of these abominations the Lord your God is driving them out before you. You shall be blameless before the Lord your God, ...

Deuteronomy is totally specific, it refers to the ancient people of the promised land only, it has absolutely nothing to do with today or modern people, it is out dated.(the antithesis of the qur'an which says to kill all non muslims and corrupt muslims wherever they may be)

Then we have

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Leviticus 20:27
“A man or a woman who is a medium or a necromancer shall surely be put to death. They shall be stoned with stones; their blood shall be upon them.”

The content of Leviticus relates directly to Exodus, providing evidence that the same hand penned both books.

Leviticus is a covenant between Y.H.W.H. and the Hebrews only. It is mosaic law, not commandments (there is a difference).

Leviticus has absolutely nothing to do with any other people, it relates distinctly to archaic Jews (with archaic being the pertinent word).

It is obvious to everyone that the behaviour of the modern Jew is proof that mosaic law is not set in stone.

Can you show how mosaic law is meant for all times?

So in view of the antiquity and the now non existence of mosaic law in practice.

I would say 18c does not apply

Now to get to the muslims terrorists you desperately try to protect.

Precisely because of the hated and murder imparted in the qur'an, muslims divide the world into two parts, dar al-Islam literally the house or region of submission,those lands under muslim government and dar al-Harb the house or region of war, those lands where muslims are in the minority. For muslims peace will be achieved when the whole world is dar al-Islam. Until that time there will be conflict in dar al-Harb.

The majority of the qur'an is devoted to the hatred and slaughter of the kafir / unbeliever.

There is no time limit.

There are no land boundaries / borders.

The qur'an is pure hate speech directed against unbelievers today 2017.

I'd say it most probably is in breech of 18c.

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Reply #47 - Aug 11^th, 2017 at 5:42pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 11^th, 2017 at 2:49pm:

unlawful, not illegal - there is a difference

Thanks Gandalf, we need another internet lawyer.

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Also, Dr Aly never advocated 18c should include criticising a religion, she suggested it should be extended to vilifying someone on the basis of their religious beliefs - there's quite a difference, and that is not in any way shape or form calling for blasphemy laws.

Ah, so it should be illegal to claim that only an idiot would believe the Koran? Doesn't sound like introducing blasphemy legislation at all, does it?

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And in this she makes two compelling points: 1. religion is already included, in the case of sikhs and jews - why not muslims?

Because in the case of Sikhs and Jews, it is included because the religious grouping is conflatable with the racial one. The same is not true with proselytising religions. I'm pretty sure this has been explained to you before. Plenty of people identify as Jewish on racial grounds. The holocaust for example targeted racial, not religious Jews.

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2. you can't, according to 18c as it currently stands, call someone a "dirty arab", but you can call someone a "dirty muslim" - even though both can undoubtedly be classed racial vilification.

Islam is not a race Gandalf. This has also been explained to you.

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That image is incitement to violence IMO, and those idiots should have the book thrown at them - as I have argued many times.

Should it also be illegal to read out chapter 9 of the Koran?

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Reply #48 - Aug 11^th, 2017 at 6:15pm

moses wrote on Aug 11^th, 2017 at 5:27pm:

karnal Reply #32 - Yesterday at 4:20pm

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The command to beat scolding women? The command to burn sorcerers and witches? The command to stone blasphemers? Adulterers? Hommers?

I'd say it'd be in breach of vilification laws at the very least. You?

Vilification against who?

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Deuteronomy 18:9-14
“When you come into the land that the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominable practices of those nations. There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord. And because of these abominations the Lord your God is driving them out before you. You shall be blameless before the Lord your God, ...

Deuteronomy is totally specific, it refers to the ancient people of the promised land only, it has absolutely nothing to do with today or modern people, it is out dated.(the antithesis of the qur'an which says to kill all non muslims and corrupt muslims wherever they may be)

Then we have

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Leviticus 20:27
“A man or a woman who is a medium or a necromancer shall surely be put to death. They shall be stoned with stones; their blood shall be upon them.”

The content of Leviticus relates directly to Exodus, providing evidence that the same hand penned both books.

Leviticus is a covenant between Y.H.W.H. and the Hebrews only. It is mosaic law, not commandments (there is a difference).

Leviticus has absolutely nothing to do with any other people, it relates distinctly to archaic Jews (with archaic being the pertinent word).

It is obvious to everyone that the behaviour of the modern Jew is proof that mosaic law is not set in stone.

Can you show how mosaic law is meant for all times?

So in view of the antiquity and the now non existence of mosaic law in practice.

I would say 18c does not apply

Now to get to the muslims terrorists you desperately try to protect.

Precisely because of the hated and murder imparted in the qur'an, muslims divide the world into two parts, dar al-Islam literally the house or region of submission,those lands under muslim government and dar al-Harb the house or region of war, those lands where muslims are in the minority. For muslims peace will be achieved when the whole world is dar al-Islam. Until that time there will be conflict in dar al-Harb.

The majority of the qur'an is devoted to the hatred and slaughter of the kafir / unbeliever.

There is no time limit.

There are no land boundaries / borders.

The qur'an is pure hate speech directed against unbelievers today 2017.

I'd say it most probably is in breech of 18c.

That's not what the Rabbis say, Moses. They tell people to follow those laws.

Don't tell me you haven't heard this?

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Reply #49 - Aug 11^th, 2017 at 8:05pm

mothra wrote on Aug 11^th, 2017 at 11:31am:

Grendel wrote on Aug 11^th, 2017 at 9:47am:

I note Mothra has successfully ignored everything I posted that was factual.
Well done Mothra.
Typical Prog... Cheesy

You ignored everything that i posted that was factual.

No I didn't.

You just couldn't bring yourself to accept and acknowledge feminist Muslim campaigners so you tried to derai the thread with horror stories.

You couldn't bring yourself to address reality.

As i previously said, i would have thought critics of Islam as it presents would encourage reform and expression of women's rights ... but you only want to drown these women out and tell them they are irrelevant to your narrative.

Liar liar pants on fire. I actually worry about their safety.

I honestly see no difference to the misogyny you present to the misogyny you claim to condemn.

Well I'm not a misogynist so there you go your argument fell over before the first hurdle.
Name calling doesn't make you right Mothra.
It just makes you consistent. Cheesy

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Reply #50 - Aug 11^th, 2017 at 8:22pm

freediver wrote on Aug 11^th, 2017 at 5:42pm:

Because in the case of Sikhs and Jews, it is included because the religious grouping is conflatable with the racial one. The same is not true with proselytising religions. I'm pretty sure this has been explained to you before.

By "explain" you mean you've prattled on with your completely incoherent and contradictory non-explanations of what is and what isn't race. I think you were up to insisting on the one hand racism can't possibly involve made up races like "muslim" - but it can totally involve made up races like 'sand niigger'.

But what has been explained to you, and which you even agreed with, is that anti-muslim bigotry can and does involve racism. No one is seriously going to argue - except possibly you - that picking out a tinted skin woman on the street who is wearing a hijab and yanking off her hijab and calling her "dirty muslim" for no other reason than their appearance - is anything other than racist.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #51 - Aug 11^th, 2017 at 9:52pm

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By "explain" you mean you've prattled on with your completely incoherent and contradictory non-explanations of what is and what isn't race. I think you were up to insisting on the one hand racism can't possibly involve made up races like "muslim" - but it can totally involve made up races like 'sand niigger'.

Not sure what is so complicated about it Gandalf. A religion is something you believe in. Race is something you are born with. Much as you hate the Jews, you cannot deny that the word Jew is used with both meanings. Suck it up princess, the Jews got one over on you. But at least they won't tell you to convert or die.

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But what has been explained to you, and which you even agreed with, is that anti-muslim bigotry can and does involve racism.

Sure. It is possible to hate Arabs and Muslims. It is possible to be a black lesbian. But being black and being a lesbian are not the same thing. Get it?

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No one is seriously going to argue - except possibly you - that picking out a tinted skin woman on the street who is wearing a hijab and yanking off her hijab and calling her "dirty muslim" for no other reason than their appearance - is anything other than racist.

If some school kids pick on a classmate because he appears to be obese, or a red head, or a cripple, or gay, or emo, is that also racist? I know you desperately want to cloak Islam in some kind of flame shield, but at the end of the day it is a book of lies that you choose to believe in, and you cannot stop people criticising you for making that choice, no matter how loudly you cry wacist, or Islamophobe. Or how bad your womens' asses are.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96975	Re: 5 Badass Muslim Women Reply #52 - Aug 11^th, 2017 at 10:28pm Yes, G, are fatties, redheads, cripples, gays or emos a race? You tell us that. Until then, FD's not racist, okay?
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Reply #53 - Aug 11^th, 2017 at 10:30pm

Grendel wrote on Aug 11^th, 2017 at 8:05pm:

mothra wrote on Aug 11^th, 2017 at 11:31am:

Grendel wrote on Aug 11^th, 2017 at 9:47am:

I note Mothra has successfully ignored everything I posted that was factual.
Well done Mothra.
Typical Prog... Cheesy

You ignored everything that i posted that was factual.

No I didn't.

You just couldn't bring yourself to accept and acknowledge feminist Muslim campaigners so you tried to derai the thread with horror stories.

You couldn't bring yourself to address reality.

As i previously said, i would have thought critics of Islam as it presents would encourage reform and expression of women's rights ... but you only want to drown these women out and tell them they are irrelevant to your narrative.

Liar liar pants on fire. I actually worry about their safety.

I honestly see no difference to the misogyny you present to the misogyny you claim to condemn.

Well I'm not a misogynist so there you go your argument fell over before the first hurdle.

There you go, Mother. FD's not racist, and Grendel's not a misogynist.

Let's all leave it at that.

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mothra Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 35617 Gender:	Re: 5 Badass Muslim Women Reply #54 - Aug 11^th, 2017 at 10:47pm Grendel's not irritable either, Karnal. Although he was cross when he said that.
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: 5 Badass Muslim Women Reply #55 - Aug 12^th, 2017 at 12:15pm No I'm not irritable. No matter how many lies you make up or how irritating YOU try to be. Like I said Mother of all LIARS... I'm not a misogynist so there you go your argument fell over before the first hurdle. Name calling doesn't make you right Mothra. It just makes you consistent.
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Reply #56 - Aug 12^th, 2017 at 7:16pm

freediver wrote on Aug 11^th, 2017 at 9:52pm:

Sure. It is possible to hate Arabs and Muslims. It is possible to be a black lesbian. But being black and being a lesbian are not the same thing. Get it?

I think I understand FD - you're saying that the bigot who attacks a tinted person in a hijab or a long beard can only be racist if he says "dirty arab" - and can never ever be racist if he says "dirty muslim". Is that the gist of it?

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #57 - Aug 12^th, 2017 at 7:19pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 12^th, 2017 at 7:16pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 11^th, 2017 at 9:52pm:

Sure. It is possible to hate Arabs and Muslims. It is possible to be a black lesbian. But being black and being a lesbian are not the same thing. Get it?

I think I understand FD - you're saying that the bigot who attacks a tinted person in a hijab or a long beard can only be racist if he says "dirty arab" - and can never ever be racist if he says "dirty muslim". Is that the gist of it?

Not at all. Muslims are a retarded, part-Negroid subhuman interbreed, who squat down to piss and play with their dicks afterwards.

As FD says, a plausible theory. And he'll fight to the death for your right to say it.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: 5 Badass Muslim Women Reply #58 - Aug 12^th, 2017 at 7:35pm Thats fine karnal - see as long as you include the word "muslim" in your hate speech, - it cannot ever be racist. Sorry, wacist. What a loophole eh!
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Reply #59 - Aug 12^th, 2017 at 7:56pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 12^th, 2017 at 7:16pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 11^th, 2017 at 9:52pm:

Sure. It is possible to hate Arabs and Muslims. It is possible to be a black lesbian. But being black and being a lesbian are not the same thing. Get it?

I think I understand FD - you're saying that the bigot who attacks a tinted person in a hijab or a long beard can only be racist if he says "dirty arab" - and can never ever be racist if he says "dirty muslim". Is that the gist of it?

The gist of it is that Islam is not a race.

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