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Reply #150 - Sep 3rd, 2017 at 7:50pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 3rd, 2017 at 7:37pm:
Aussie wrote on Sep 3rd, 2017 at 7:27pm:
How do I know that any of today's schmedia stuff on North Korea is true?


There are photos of Kim wearing glasses, and pointing to a bomb.

What more do you need?



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Reply #151 - Sep 3rd, 2017 at 8:34pm
 
Was it an H bomb?



http://edition.cnn.com/2017/09/03/asia/north-korea-nuclear-test/index.html

NORSAR, an independent seismic monitor, estimated the blast created a yield of about 120 kilotons. The tremors caused by North Korea's Sunday test were at least 10 times more powerful than the fifth test, Japanese officials said. An official at the Korea Meteorological Administration estimated the blast was about 50 kilotons.

Sunday's test comes almost one year after Pyongyang's fifth nuclear test last September, which triggered a 5.3-magnitude seismological event. That took place on September 9, the country's Foundation Day holiday. North Korea claimed it set off a thermonuclear weapon during that test, but experts said the data showed it was more likely a boosted fission weapon.


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Reply #152 - Sep 3rd, 2017 at 9:43pm
 
Trump replies on Twitter.



..North Korea is a rogue nation which has become a great threat and embarrassment to China, which is trying to help but with little success.


North Korea has conducted a major Nuclear Test. Their words and actions continue to be very hostile and dangerous to the United States.....


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwg...
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Reply #153 - Sep 3rd, 2017 at 9:47pm
 
Trump is Tweeting as we speak:

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 18s18 seconds ago

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South Korea is finding, as I have told them, that their talk of appeasement with North Korea will not work, they only understand one thing!

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Reply #154 - Sep 3rd, 2017 at 9:57pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 3rd, 2017 at 9:43pm:
Trump replies on Twitter.



..North Korea is a rogue nation which has become a great threat and embarrassment to China, which is trying to help but with little success.


North Korea has conducted a major Nuclear Test. Their words and actions continue to be very hostile and dangerous to the United States.....


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwg...


Jayzuz Bobby, I wish you were a client.  I could have fleeced you for thousands and you would never have known.  Do you ever, ever, ever question what you are spoon fed with?

As for me, I don't believe anything I am told by the western schmedia wanker journalists about North Korea.  Do you really reckon JOURNALISTS have the slightest clue about what really happens?  Some dick sitting at his desk in Sydney wondering what he will write about, and then he sees something on TV.....he gets on the keyboard.... so you get to read and believe it.....because the schmuck on TV said something?

Wake up.

I don't give a fuq what that idiot does in his own Country, any more than a North Korean would give a fuq about what Turnbull does here.
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Reply #155 - Sep 3rd, 2017 at 10:02pm
 
Aussie wrote on Sep 3rd, 2017 at 9:57pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 3rd, 2017 at 9:43pm:
Trump replies on Twitter.



..North Korea is a rogue nation which has become a great threat and embarrassment to China, which is trying to help but with little success.


North Korea has conducted a major Nuclear Test. Their words and actions continue to be very hostile and dangerous to the United States.....


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwg...


Jayzuz Bobby, I wish you were a client.  I could have fleeced you for thousands and you would never have known.  Do you ever, ever, ever question what you are spoon fed with?

As for me, I don't believe anything I am told by the western schmedia wanker journalists about North Korea.  Do you really reckon JOURNALISTS have the slightest clue about what really happens?  Some dick sitting at his desk in Sydney wondering what he will write about, and then he sees something on TV.....he gets on the keyboard.... so you get to read and believe it.....because the schmuck on TV said something?

Wake up.

I don't give a fuq what that idiot does in his own Country, any more than a North Korean would give a fuq about what Turnbull does here.



Those tweets are live
from the President of the United States.


not a journalist.
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Reply #156 - Sep 3rd, 2017 at 10:42pm
 
Is that a nuclear bomb Kim is bolting together, is it a Hydrogen bomb, the news called it nuclear, hope Kim knows.
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Reply #157 - Sep 3rd, 2017 at 11:03pm
 
Aussie wrote on Sep 3rd, 2017 at 9:57pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 3rd, 2017 at 9:43pm:
Trump replies on Twitter.



..North Korea is a rogue nation which has become a great threat and embarrassment to China, which is trying to help but with little success.


North Korea has conducted a major Nuclear Test. Their words and actions continue to be very hostile and dangerous to the United States.....


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwg...


Jayzuz Bobby, I wish you were a client.  I could have fleeced you for thousands and you would never have known.  Do you ever, ever, ever question what you are spoon fed with?

As for me, I don't believe anything I am told by the western schmedia wanker journalists about North Korea.  Do you really reckon JOURNALISTS have the slightest clue about what really happens?  Some dick sitting at his desk in Sydney wondering what he will write about, and then he sees something on TV.....he gets on the keyboard.... so you get to read and believe it.....because the schmuck on TV said something?

Wake up.

I don't give a fuq what that idiot does in his own Country, any more than a North Korean would give a fuq about what Turnbull does here.


Trump agrees with you about "fake" news Wink
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Reply #158 - Sep 4th, 2017 at 5:15am
 
Johnnie wrote on Sep 3rd, 2017 at 7:15pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 3rd, 2017 at 7:07pm:
Johnnie wrote on Sep 3rd, 2017 at 6:57pm:
Unless Trump takes him out now we have another nuclear power in the world, trouble is he is one man and he probably has the fire button, and he off this planet.


Trump will do absolutely nothing.

He is a coward (accused of raping children).




Its becoming increasingly harder for anyone to do anything, one move and Kim will blow up South Korea.
The problem should have been dealt with in the Obama years at the latest, take cover Darwin.


Nailed it....

Obama gave him more money to build Nukes quicker..
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Reply #159 - Sep 4th, 2017 at 8:10am
 


(CNN)US Defense Secretary James Mattis vowed "a massive military response" to any threat from North Korea against the United States or its allies in a statement outside the White House after a meeting with President Donald Trump, Vice President Mike Pence and top national security advisers Sunday.
Mattis said Trump wanted to be briefed on each of the "many military options" for dealing with the North Korean nuclear threat.

"Our commitment among the allies are ironclad," Mattis said. "Any threat to the United States or its territories, including Guam, or our allies will be met with a massive military response, a response both effective and overwhelming."
Mattis called on North Korean leader Kim Jong Un to "take heed" of the UN Security Council's unanimous position against North Korea's nuclear program and again stressed the US military's position.
"We are not looking to the total annihilation of a country, namely North Korea, but as I said, we have many options to do so," Mattis said.


http://edition.cnn.com/2017/09/03/politics/trump-north-korea-nuclear/index.html
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Reply #160 - Sep 4th, 2017 at 10:40am
 
To be frank there was never any "appeasement".  A truce was signed all those years ago, but never a peace treatie.  It was signed because neither side was winning, and back in US, there were basically no support for the ongoing Korean War. 

Peace was maintained over the years, not due to appeasement, but due to self assured mutual destruction.  If war break out, it could cause untold amount of economic destruction on the US's already fragile and debt ridden economy.   And at the same time, US's many enemies would come out of wood work - in the middle east, central asia, Africa etc etc.  It would make the great depression a cake walk.
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Reply #161 - Sep 4th, 2017 at 10:56am
 
tickleandrose wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 10:40am:
To be frank there was never any "appeasement".  A truce was signed all those years ago, but never a peace treatie.  It was signed because neither side was winning, and back in US, there were basically no support for the ongoing Korean War. 

Peace was maintained over the years, not due to appeasement, but due to self assured mutual destruction.  If war break out, it could cause untold amount of economic destruction on the US's already fragile and debt ridden economy.   And at the same time, US's many enemies would come out of wood work - in the middle east, central asia, Africa etc etc.  It would make the great depression a cake walk. 



Well China had better do something fast as time has run out.
It's time to get survival provisions in your cupboards:
cans of baked beans, spam & fish,
also - a large bag of rice.
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Reply #162 - Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:50pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 10:56am:
tickleandrose wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 10:40am:
To be frank there was never any "appeasement".  A truce was signed all those years ago, but never a peace treatie.  It was signed because neither side was winning, and back in US, there were basically no support for the ongoing Korean War. 

Peace was maintained over the years, not due to appeasement, but due to self assured mutual destruction.  If war break out, it could cause untold amount of economic destruction on the US's already fragile and debt ridden economy.   And at the same time, US's many enemies would come out of wood work - in the middle east, central asia, Africa etc etc.  It would make the great depression a cake walk. 



Well China had better do something fast as time has run out.
It's time to get survival provisions in your cupboards:
cans of baked beans, spam & fish,
also - a large bag of rice.


I think what we should worry about is not how many bombs that North Korea have.  But how will it impact on Australia when US decided to do an Iraq war over that.   And it depends who triggers first.

North Korea first:

As soon as something happens, the South Korea capital would be come under heavy bombardment.  This would immediately cause massive causalities, before South Korea military can respond.   This would cause a ripple of economic devastation around the war starting in Asia.  Australia will be impacted - China, South Korea, Japan and USA - pretty much our trading partners - and the results will be immediate. 

USA first.

Lets face it, the USA is unlikely to use atomic bomb on North Korea.  As the resulting nuclear cloud will drift towards Japan, South Korea, and possibly China and Russia.  It would be messy, and the USA will find no friends.  So, has to be some surgical strike, or even MOAB.   These however, would require a simultaneous strike with a large air and naval force.  And North Korea is crazy but not stupid, it would be able to see it coming from miles away.  And will retaliate, by striking against South Korea, and Japan. 

Now, the cease fire call were signed by China, Russian, North Korea, South Korea and USA.  North Korea and South Korea are still at war.  So if USA breaks the cease fire, then it potentially mean that China and Russia will once again be involved as well.  Because, the agree is for cease fire on the 38th parallel. 

In the best case senario, South Korea and the USA will probably be able to defeat North Korea (without Russia and China butting in - thats a big if) - say in matter of a year.  There will be at least millions of Refugees fleeing towards China, and also millions more who cannot leave and choose to stay.  I can foresee civilian casualties into millions - from the actual war campaign, and the chaos that follows it (e.g. starvation, famine, and disease).   All these will happen at the same time that most markets in the world is tanking.  South Korea will not be able to feed or keep order in North Korea.  North Korea will divide, and probably turn into a second Afghanistan with rule of factional warlords.

At same time, sensing USA's and China occupation and weakness.  A few things may happen:
1. There will be resurgence of terrorism and extremitism in Central Asia, Middle East, and Africa.
2. There will be a low depression in USA, and along with it Australia. 
3. In term, USA will balance that out with China, by supporting Taiwan independence, Tibet Independence, the South China Sea dispute, and India/China border dispute. 
4. The USA will balance out Russia, by stirring up more trouble in the Middle east, Syria, and also Ukraine / Belerus issue. 

And all this, will have the potential to get worse, until every country in the world is affected. 

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Reply #163 - Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:59pm
 
dear Tickle ,
I think it's more likely that the Yanks will try to hit every NK gun emplacement with a bomb of some sort -
from either a Tomahawk missile or laser guided bombs.
That would knock out the artillery pointed at SK.
They would then of course try to knock out every mobile missile launcher -
they must be following them by the minute with satellites.

NK could just fissile out before they have a chance to fire any nuclear weapons.
If they do then there are missile defense options.
The war could be over in a day
without a nuke being fired.
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Reply #164 - Sep 4th, 2017 at 2:15pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:59pm:
dear Tickle ,
I think it's more likely that the Yanks will try to hit every NK gun emplacement with a bomb of some sort -
from either a Tomahawk missile or laser guided bombs.
That would knock out the artillery pointed at SK.
They would then of course try to knock out every mobile missile launcher -
they must be following them by the minute with satellites.

NK could just fissile out before they have a chance to fire any nuclear weapons.
If they do then there are missile defense options.
The war could be over in a day
without a nuke being fired.


Hi Bobby:

This is what we were made to think.  But the reality is very different.  In movies, yes, the artillery guns are lied up very nicely in one area.  So that Rombo and Arnold can charge in, and bomb them.   

In reality, the guns are placed in areas some are know, some are secret and sheltered well under ground.  The nuclear warheads are not fired on a stable platform, but fired on a mobile platform that have a series of secret underground tunnels to support it.   You may be able to knock out most of the obvious targets, however its the targets that you dont know that is going to hurt you.

Okay, lets look at this way.  With all of its might, the USA were having alot of trouble with rudimentary tunnels dating back Korea wars, Vietnam wars, to the more current Iraq and Afghanistan wars.  If they cant bomb out those low tech tunnels, do you think they can effectively wipe out a more prepared tunnel? 
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