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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38535 Gender:	Re: Joyce renounces NZ Citizenship Reply #165 - Aug 17^th, 2017 at 11:18am Quote: Question: who is Australia's Head of State? Do you seriously not know?
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Reply #166 - Aug 17^th, 2017 at 12:58pm

Aussie wrote on Aug 17^th, 2017 at 11:18am:

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Question: who is Australia's Head of State?

Do you seriously not know?

I know. Do you?

You said that Australia is sovereign nation, not joined to any other nation by hip.

Is having the same Head of State as another country not joined at the hip?

Is the fact that our founding law the constitution is an act of the British parliament not indicate that we are joined at the hip? What about the fact that we have the Westminster system of government? Or use common law? Do neither of these things indicate a 'joining of the hip?'

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38535 Gender:	Re: Joyce renounces NZ Citizenship Reply #167 - Aug 17^th, 2017 at 1:37pm It is anachronistic. Simple as that. Convention long ago overtook the literal narrow position you want to foist on Australia. She is the last vestige we will shrug off....soon enough.
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Reply #168 - Aug 17^th, 2017 at 1:40pm

Auggie wrote on Aug 17^th, 2017 at 12:58pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 17^th, 2017 at 11:18am:

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Question: who is Australia's Head of State?

Do you seriously not know?

I know. Do you?

You said that Australia is sovereign nation, not joined to any other nation by hip.

Is having the same Head of State as another country not joined at the hip?

Is the fact that our founding law the constitution is an act of the British parliament not indicate that we are joined at the hip? What about the fact that we have the Westminster system of government? Or use common law? Do neither of these things indicate a 'joining of the hip?'

Doesnt look like you do. Try again.

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Reply #169 - Aug 17^th, 2017 at 1:41pm

Aussie wrote on Aug 17^th, 2017 at 1:37pm:

It is anachronistic. Simple as that.

Convention long ago overtook the literal narrow position you want to foist on Australia. She is the last vestige we will shrug off....soon enough.

I have no doubt we will shrug it off. Until then let's not pretend to be something we're not.

You know, you should blame the High Court for the delay in referendum. As I said, if they'd come out and told it how it is, we would've been a republic now. Or maybe the high court is secretly monarchist?

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Reply #170 - Aug 17^th, 2017 at 1:43pm

rhino wrote on Aug 17^th, 2017 at 1:40pm:

Auggie wrote on Aug 17^th, 2017 at 12:58pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 17^th, 2017 at 11:18am:

Quote:

Question: who is Australia's Head of State?

Do you seriously not know?

I know. Do you?

You said that Australia is sovereign nation, not joined to any other nation by hip.

Is having the same Head of State as another country not joined at the hip?

Is the fact that our founding law the constitution is an act of the British parliament not indicate that we are joined at the hip? What about the fact that we have the Westminster system of government? Or use common law? Do neither of these things indicate a 'joining of the hip?'

Doesnt look like you do. Try again.

Our head of state is Queen Elizabeth II.

Don't tell me you're going to espouse the bullshit that the GG is our head of state. That's just simply not true.

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Reply #171 - Aug 17^th, 2017 at 1:46pm

Auggie wrote on Aug 17^th, 2017 at 1:41pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 17^th, 2017 at 1:37pm:

It is anachronistic. Simple as that.

Convention long ago overtook the literal narrow position you want to foist on Australia. She is the last vestige we will shrug off....soon enough.

I have no doubt we will shrug it off. Until then let's not pretend to be something we're not.

You know, you should blame the High Court for the delay in referendum. As I said, if they'd come out and told it how it is, we would've been a republic now. Or maybe the high court is secretly monarchist?

Well, just because a few kooks want a new flag to wage a war with no help under doesn't mean everyone does!

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Rudolf Wilhelm New Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 31 Around Gender:	Re: Joyce renounces NZ Citizenship Reply #172 - Aug 17^th, 2017 at 2:05pm Make me Head of State.
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Reply #173 - Aug 17^th, 2017 at 2:11pm

Auggie wrote on Aug 17^th, 2017 at 1:43pm:

rhino wrote on Aug 17^th, 2017 at 1:40pm:

Auggie wrote on Aug 17^th, 2017 at 12:58pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 17^th, 2017 at 11:18am:

Quote:

Question: who is Australia's Head of State?

Do you seriously not know?

I know. Do you?

You said that Australia is sovereign nation, not joined to any other nation by hip.

Is having the same Head of State as another country not joined at the hip?

Is the fact that our founding law the constitution is an act of the British parliament not indicate that we are joined at the hip? What about the fact that we have the Westminster system of government? Or use common law? Do neither of these things indicate a 'joining of the hip?'

Doesnt look like you do. Try again.

Our head of state is Queen Elizabeth II.

Don't tell me you're going to espouse the bullshit that the GG is our head of state. That's just simply not true.

Actually it is true. I will cut to the chase.
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Thus the Constitution, the High Court, the Parliament, and current constitutional practice speak with one voice. The governor-general is our head of state, and the High Court and Viscount Haldane confirm the status of the Queen as our sovereign.

This article was originally published in the Australian Law Journal, December 2015, 89 ALJ 857. By December 2016 there had been no response by any constitutional lawyer or republican. That is, twelve months after publication it remained unchallenged and uncontradicted.

https://quadrant.org.au/magazine/2017/04/australias-head-state-definitive-judgme
nt/

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Francis Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 595 Gender:	Re: Joyce renounces NZ Citizenship Reply #174 - Aug 17^th, 2017 at 7:41pm These disqualified senators are supposed to represent the Australian people with honestly and integrity and have in effect committed fraud against the Australian people.
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Reply #175 - Aug 17^th, 2017 at 8:05pm

Francis wrote on Aug 17^th, 2017 at 7:41pm:

These disqualified senators are supposed to represent the Australian people with honestly and integrity and have in effect committed fraud against the Australian people.

Many of these people were not aware of their citizenship problem. While the rule is simple and the outcome certain it isn't really fraud as it seems mostly to have been done in ignorance, not sure about the case today though.

IMO there is a big problem with the incompetence of the AEC. They should have been thoroughly checking the status of all candidates.

None of these people met the basic requirement's to stand in any Australian election, they should have been checked and disqualified at stage one.

This is what the AEC are paid to do, they are a huge failure. They should not allow unqualified people to stand for election.

Imagine if these careless incompetent dopes were employing doctors ?

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Francis Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 595 Gender:	Re: Joyce renounces NZ Citizenship Reply #176 - Aug 17^th, 2017 at 10:52pm I totally agree about the AEC. Serious questions need to be asked how they have allowed our parliament into a time of disreput.
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juliar Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 22966	Re: Joyce renounces NZ Citizenship Reply #177 - Aug 18^th, 2017 at 12:05am Dreadful business this.
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rhino Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17179 Gender:	Re: Joyce renounces NZ Citizenship Reply #178 - Aug 18^th, 2017 at 12:22am it was up to these people to know and abide by the law, they all need to resign or be sacked. Alleging ignorance is no excuse, ignorance of the law has never been an excuse. GG needs to take action in my opinion if resignations are not forthcoming.
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TheFunPolice Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9009 waggawagga Gender:	Re: Joyce renounces NZ Citizenship Reply #179 - Aug 18^th, 2017 at 1:59am Dood, where is my system of Government?
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