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Reply #180 - Aug 18^th, 2017 at 9:20am

Hoss wrote on Aug 17^th, 2017 at 6:12am:

HI ALL
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Joyce should not be there at all? Just because the British citizenship is now gone does not mean that he was not over all other elections he has been through. Cool

Considering that Australia is still British colony with British flag and head of state, British citizenship should be allowed for Australian politicians.
British citizens shouldn't be discriminated in their own colony.

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capitosinora Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2209 USA Florida Gender:	Re: Joyce renounces NZ Citizenship Reply #181 - Aug 18^th, 2017 at 9:20am TheFunPolice wrote on Aug 18^th, 2017 at 1:59am: Dood, where is my system of Government?
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Its time Gold Member Offline Boot libs out Posts: 25639 Gender:	Re: Joyce renounces NZ Citizenship Reply #182 - Aug 18^th, 2017 at 9:50am The deputy PM is in breach of the Constitution
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Re: Joyce renounces NZ Citizenship
Reply #183 - Aug 18^th, 2017 at 12:28pm

rhino wrote on Aug 17^th, 2017 at 2:11pm:

Auggie wrote on Aug 17^th, 2017 at 1:43pm:

rhino wrote on Aug 17^th, 2017 at 1:40pm:

Auggie wrote on Aug 17^th, 2017 at 12:58pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 17^th, 2017 at 11:18am:

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Question: who is Australia's Head of State?

Do you seriously not know?

I know. Do you?

You said that Australia is sovereign nation, not joined to any other nation by hip.

Is having the same Head of State as another country not joined at the hip?

Is the fact that our founding law the constitution is an act of the British parliament not indicate that we are joined at the hip? What about the fact that we have the Westminster system of government? Or use common law? Do neither of these things indicate a 'joining of the hip?'

Doesnt look like you do. Try again.

Our head of state is Queen Elizabeth II.

Don't tell me you're going to espouse the bullshit that the GG is our head of state. That's just simply not true.

Actually it is true. I will cut to the chase.
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Thus the Constitution, the High Court, the Parliament, and current constitutional practice speak with one voice. The governor-general is our head of state, and the High Court and Viscount Haldane confirm the status of the Queen as our sovereign.

This article was originally published in the Australian Law Journal, December 2015, 89 ALJ 857. By December 2016 there had been no response by any constitutional lawyer or republican. That is, twelve months after publication it remained unchallenged and uncontradicted.

https://quadrant.org.au/magazine/2017/04/australias-head-state-definitive-judgme
nt/

Again, this is another example of so called legal jurists trying to claim that we're something we're not. The GG is not our head of state, never has been nor will ever be.

The Constitution says 'a GG who is the Queen's representive'. Clearly the Queen is our head of state. Just because a few legal jurists says its so, doesn't mean that it is.

The Queen is our head of state: there is no disputing this.

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Re: Joyce renounces NZ Citizenship
Reply #184 - Aug 18^th, 2017 at 12:29pm

capitosinora wrote on Aug 18^th, 2017 at 9:20am:

Hoss wrote on Aug 17^th, 2017 at 6:12am:

HI ALL
is now gone hews
Joyce should not be there at all? Just because the British citizenship is now gone does not mean that he was not over all other elections he has been through. Cool

Considering that Australia is still British colony with British flag and head of state, British citizenship should be allowed for Australian politicians.
British citizens shouldn't be discriminated in their own colony.

I actually agree with this. We should be British citizens.

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Reply #185 - Aug 18^th, 2017 at 1:19pm

Auggie wrote on Aug 18^th, 2017 at 12:28pm:

rhino wrote on Aug 17^th, 2017 at 2:11pm:

Auggie wrote on Aug 17^th, 2017 at 1:43pm:

rhino wrote on Aug 17^th, 2017 at 1:40pm:

Auggie wrote on Aug 17^th, 2017 at 12:58pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 17^th, 2017 at 11:18am:

Quote:

Question: who is Australia's Head of State?

Do you seriously not know?

I know. Do you?

You said that Australia is sovereign nation, not joined to any other nation by hip.

Is having the same Head of State as another country not joined at the hip?

Is the fact that our founding law the constitution is an act of the British parliament not indicate that we are joined at the hip? What about the fact that we have the Westminster system of government? Or use common law? Do neither of these things indicate a 'joining of the hip?'

Doesnt look like you do. Try again.

Our head of state is Queen Elizabeth II.

Don't tell me you're going to espouse the bullshit that the GG is our head of state. That's just simply not true.

Actually it is true. I will cut to the chase.
Quote:

Thus the Constitution, the High Court, the Parliament, and current constitutional practice speak with one voice. The governor-general is our head of state, and the High Court and Viscount Haldane confirm the status of the Queen as our sovereign.

This article was originally published in the Australian Law Journal, December 2015, 89 ALJ 857. By December 2016 there had been no response by any constitutional lawyer or republican. That is, twelve months after publication it remained unchallenged and uncontradicted.

https://quadrant.org.au/magazine/2017/04/australias-head-state-definitive-judgme
nt/

Again, this is another example of so called legal jurists trying to claim that we're something we're not. The GG is not our head of state, never has been nor will ever be.

The Constitution says 'a GG who is the Queen's representive'. Clearly the Queen is our head of state. Just because a few legal jurists says its so, doesn't mean that it is.

The Queen is our head of state: there is no disputing this.

Sure there is, I just disputed it and irrefutably showed where the GG is our head of state. You have learning difficulties?

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Ajax Gold Member Offline CO2 has never controlled temperature on Earth Posts: 10975 Australia Gender:	Re: Joyce renounces NZ Citizenship Reply #186 - Aug 18^th, 2017 at 1:26pm Since everyone's ancestry is from offshore this is hardly surprising. I bet they all knew even BJ but who would have ever imagined the constitution would rule the day and have the last say. We have been trashing it for some time.
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Its time Gold Member Offline Boot libs out Posts: 25639 Gender:	Re: Joyce renounces NZ Citizenship Reply #187 - Aug 18^th, 2017 at 2:57pm Mals position is untenable , if they think it is going to blow over in two week break they're sadly mistaken
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TheFunPolice Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9009 waggawagga Gender:	Re: Joyce renounces NZ Citizenship Reply #188 - Aug 18^th, 2017 at 3:36pm capitosinora wrote on Aug 18^th, 2017 at 9:20am: TheFunPolice wrote on Aug 18^th, 2017 at 1:59am: Dood, where is my system of Government? We will succumb to terrorists if we can't get the basics right!
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Reply #189 - Aug 18^th, 2017 at 3:54pm

Its time wrote on Aug 18^th, 2017 at 2:57pm:

Mals position is untenable , if they think it is going to blow over in two week break they're sadly mistaken

I think they are in shock and simply buying time. The strategy at the moment is deflect and deny.

I think they will regroup and prepare for the high court ruling them illegal and subsequent by elections which will cost them a tonne of money .

it's possible Dutton will get the numbers and out Turnball who will than be given all the blame and they go into the proper election year a fresh with a new leader and hopefully legal.

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Re: Joyce renounces NZ Citizenship
Reply #190 - Aug 18^th, 2017 at 3:58pm

Francis wrote on Aug 18^th, 2017 at 3:54pm:

Its time wrote on Aug 18^th, 2017 at 2:57pm:

Mals position is untenable , if they think it is going to blow over in two week break they're sadly mistaken

I think they are in shock and simply buying time. The strategy at the moment is deflect and deny.

I think they will regroup and prepare for the high court ruling them illegal and subsequent by elections which will cost them a tonne of money .

it's possible Dutton will get the numbers and out Turnball who will than be given all the blame and they go into the proper election year a fresh with a new leader and hopefully legal.

They will lose Government: we're going to an election

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Reply #191 - Aug 18^th, 2017 at 4:29pm

rhino wrote on Aug 18^th, 2017 at 1:19pm:

Auggie wrote on Aug 18^th, 2017 at 12:28pm:

rhino wrote on Aug 17^th, 2017 at 2:11pm:

Auggie wrote on Aug 17^th, 2017 at 1:43pm:

rhino wrote on Aug 17^th, 2017 at 1:40pm:

Auggie wrote on Aug 17^th, 2017 at 12:58pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 17^th, 2017 at 11:18am:

Quote:

Question: who is Australia's Head of State?

Do you seriously not know?

I know. Do you?

You said that Australia is sovereign nation, not joined to any other nation by hip.

Is having the same Head of State as another country not joined at the hip?

Is the fact that our founding law the constitution is an act of the British parliament not indicate that we are joined at the hip? What about the fact that we have the Westminster system of government? Or use common law? Do neither of these things indicate a 'joining of the hip?'

Doesnt look like you do. Try again.

Our head of state is Queen Elizabeth II.

Don't tell me you're going to espouse the bullshit that the GG is our head of state. That's just simply not true.

Actually it is true. I will cut to the chase.
Quote:

Thus the Constitution, the High Court, the Parliament, and current constitutional practice speak with one voice. The governor-general is our head of state, and the High Court and Viscount Haldane confirm the status of the Queen as our sovereign.

This article was originally published in the Australian Law Journal, December 2015, 89 ALJ 857. By December 2016 there had been no response by any constitutional lawyer or republican. That is, twelve months after publication it remained unchallenged and uncontradicted.

https://quadrant.org.au/magazine/2017/04/australias-head-state-definitive-judgme
nt/

Again, this is another example of so called legal jurists trying to claim that we're something we're not. The GG is not our head of state, never has been nor will ever be.

The Constitution says 'a GG who is the Queen's representive'. Clearly the Queen is our head of state. Just because a few legal jurists says its so, doesn't mean that it is.

The Queen is our head of state: there is no disputing this.

Sure there is, I just disputed it and irrefutably showed where the GG is our head of state. You have learning difficulties?

That view is not the majority consensus within the legal community, or among society anyway.

Otherwise, there's no need to become a republic then is yhere? Because we already have an Australian head of state?

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Reply #192 - Aug 19^th, 2017 at 3:47am

Auggie wrote on Aug 18^th, 2017 at 4:29pm:

That view is not the majority consensus within the legal community, or among society anyway.

Otherwise, there's no need to become a republic then is yhere? Because we already have an Australian head of state?

No one wants a republic: it's a waste of everyones time... which means you are

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Reply #193 - Aug 19^th, 2017 at 11:43am

TheFunPolice wrote on Aug 19^th, 2017 at 3:47am:

Auggie wrote on Aug 18^th, 2017 at 4:29pm:

That view is not the majority consensus within the legal community, or among society anyway.

Otherwise, there's no need to become a republic then is yhere? Because we already have an Australian head of state?

No one wants a republic: it's a waste of everyones time... which means you are

I am what?

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Re: Joyce renounces NZ Citizenship
Reply #194 - Aug 19^th, 2017 at 4:23pm

TheFunPolice wrote on Aug 19^th, 2017 at 3:47am:

Auggie wrote on Aug 18^th, 2017 at 4:29pm:

That view is not the majority consensus within the legal community, or among society anyway.

Otherwise, there's no need to become a republic then is yhere? Because we already have an Australian head of state?

No one wants a republic: it's a waste of everyones time... which means you are

"No-one wants a republic?"

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