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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38534 Gender:	Joyce renounces NZ Citizenship Aug 15^th, 2017 at 2:45pm I just saw him say in QT that over the weekend he had taken 'pronto' steps to renounce..................................................HIS NZ CITIZENSHIP!!!!!!! It seems to me that is an outright admission that he did indeed have NZ Citizenship which disqualifies him from eligibility to be elected as a MP. Get out of there Joyce!
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17363 Gender:	Re: Joyce renounces NZ Citizenship Reply #1 - Aug 15^th, 2017 at 2:56pm It depends on what the High Court says. And then it may be he will be eligible to run in a new election.
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Reply #2 - Aug 15^th, 2017 at 3:00pm

lee wrote on Aug 15^th, 2017 at 2:56pm:

It depends on what the High Court says. And then it may be he will be eligible to run in a new election. Wink

Sure....but until then....because Joyce admits to the threshold point (foreign citizenship) ....but holds to possible defences.....until those defences are tested in the High Court.....HE OUGHT GET OUT OF CABINET AND NOT BLOODY VOTE IN THE HOUSE.

Far cough Joyce!

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Reply #3 - Aug 15^th, 2017 at 3:01pm

"Justices of the High Court are, by nature of their appointment, some of the wisest legal minds in the land. So supposing how they may rule is fraught.

But if the High Court was to start saying everyone entitled to foreign citizenship was ineligible, it would wipe out a swathe of our MPs and senators who have never tried to claim allegiance to any other county.

Surely the Court would have to take into account the practical effect of making that judgment, and the ensuing chaos it would cause.
Could you be a dual citizen without realising?

There are multiple ways you can get citizenship, and the rules are confusing.

Case law too suggests the need to act on any eligibility."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-28/citizenship-grey-area-in-constitution-trip...

Your ABC wouldn't lie; would it?

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Reply #4 - Aug 15^th, 2017 at 3:02pm

Aussie wrote on Aug 15^th, 2017 at 3:00pm:

Sure....but until then....because Joyce admits to the threshold point (foreign citizenship) ....but holds to possible defences.....until those defences are tested in the High Court.....HE OUGHT GET OUT OF CABINET AND NOT BLOODY VOTE IN THE HOUSE.

Until it is tested he is an elected member of the House.

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Reply #5 - Aug 15^th, 2017 at 3:08pm

I don't believe he ever was a Kiwi citizen. He was born here and never actively sought Kiwi citizenship, nor did anyone on his behalf. Only that he was eligible to apply if he wished to do so due to a parental link with NZ. There's no record of him on any roll as a NZ citizen. In any case, we can all move on now. The government will remain, thankfully. It's now Shorten's turn to squirm, as up to seven - that's right, seven (7) - Labor MPs are now under scrutiny over their allegiance to Australia.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38534 Gender:	Re: Joyce renounces NZ Citizenship Reply #6 - Aug 15^th, 2017 at 3:12pm Quote: I don't believe he ever was a Kiwi citizen. Then you believe there are fairies at the bottom of your garden.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17363 Gender:	Re: Joyce renounces NZ Citizenship Reply #7 - Aug 15^th, 2017 at 3:13pm Aussie wrote on Aug 15^th, 2017 at 3:12pm: Quote: I don't believe he ever was a Kiwi citizen. Then you believe there are fairies at the bottom of your garden. Is that where you hide?
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 45888 Gender:	Re: Joyce renounces NZ Citizenship Reply #8 - Aug 15^th, 2017 at 3:15pm If the drunken idiot renounced his NZ citizenship he was clearly in breach of the dual citizenship provision of the constitution.
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Reply #9 - Aug 15^th, 2017 at 3:16pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 15^th, 2017 at 3:15pm:

If the drunken idiot renounced his NZ citizenship he was clearly in breach of the dual citizenship provision of the constitution.

You can't renounce something you never possessed. Clearly, he's renounced any right to claim NZ citizenship. Poor wording on the part of the DT.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17363 Gender:	Re: Joyce renounces NZ Citizenship Reply #10 - Aug 15^th, 2017 at 3:17pm Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 15^th, 2017 at 3:15pm: If the drunken idiot renounced his NZ citizenship he was clearly in breach of the dual citizenship provision of the constitution. Can you tell us how you would renounce any citizenship - before you became aware of it?
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 45888 Gender:	Re: Joyce renounces NZ Citizenship Reply #11 - Aug 15^th, 2017 at 3:20pm I did it when swearing allegiance to Australia forsaking allegiance to all other powers. Dastiary et al managed to renounce other allegiances.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17363 Gender:	Re: Joyce renounces NZ Citizenship Reply #12 - Aug 15^th, 2017 at 3:22pm Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 15^th, 2017 at 3:20pm: I did it when swearing allegiance to Australia forsaking allegiance to all other powers. Dastiary et al managed to renounce other allegiances. So only by being born overseas?
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Neferti Gold Member Offline Posts: 7965 Canberra Gender:	Re: Joyce renounces NZ Citizenship Reply #13 - Aug 15^th, 2017 at 3:23pm Shortarse has been accused of colluding with the New Zealand MPs over Joyce's citizenship issue, according to Your ABC. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-08-15/bill-shorten-accused-colluding-nz-mps-barn...
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 45888 Gender:	Re: Joyce renounces NZ Citizenship Reply #14 - Aug 15^th, 2017 at 3:24pm That seems to catch out the coalition clowns.
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