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Reply #45 - Aug 15^th, 2017 at 7:36pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 15^th, 2017 at 7:33pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 15^th, 2017 at 7:17pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 15^th, 2017 at 7:10pm:

1901
COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA CONSTITUTION ACT - SECT 44
Disqualification

               Any person who:

                  (i) is under any acknowledgment of allegiance, obedience, or adherence to a foreign power, or is a subject or a citizen or entitled to the rights or privileges of a subject or a citizen of a foreign power; or

                  (ii) is attainted of treason, or has been convicted and is under sentence, or subject to be sentenced, for any offence punishable under the law of the Commonwealth or of a State by imprisonment for one year or longer; or

                  (iii) is an undischarged bankrupt or insolvent; or

                  (iv) holds any office of profit under the Crown, or any pension payable during the pleasure of the Crown out of any of the revenues of the Commonwealth; or

                  (v) has any direct or indirect pecuniary interest in any agreement with the Public Service of the Commonwealth otherwise than as a member and in common with the other members of an incorporated company consisting of more than twenty-five persons;

shall be incapable of being chosen or of sitting as a senator or a member of the House of Representatives.

               But subsection (iv) does not apply to the office of any of the Queen's Ministers of State for the Commonwealth, or of any of the Queen's Ministers for a State, or to the receipt of pay, half pay, or a pension, by any person as an officer or member of the Queen's navy or army, or to the receipt of pay as an officer or member of the naval or military forces of the Commonwealth by any person whose services are not wholly employed by the Commonwealth.

Good.

Now, do you see the words British Citizen there? Do you see the words British Colony there? Do you see the words 'A Country which is part of the British Empire' there?

Do you see the words 'foreign power?'

Is NZ NOW a foreign power? Is Canada NOW a foreign power. Is India NOW a foreign power.....etc etc etc??????

Aussie,
We all have the same Queen - both Australia & NZ.
All the pollies swear allegiance to her.

It will be interesting to see if I'm right when the High Court decides.

I'll be the greatest bush lawyer ever to be posting on Ozpolitic.

You know, Bobby, I actually agree with you on this one.

Our Constitution is an Act of the British Parliament; our head of state is the Queen. Britain has a special status for Commonwealth citizens because we're not considered foreign.

Unfortunately, this whole issue has been resolved by our American High Court in Sue vs. Hill, where the similar arguments I made were struck down by our republican and Americanised High Court.

The High Court has completely exceeded its bounds here.

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Reply #46 - Aug 15^th, 2017 at 7:38pm

lee wrote on Aug 15^th, 2017 at 3:02pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 15^th, 2017 at 3:00pm:

Sure....but until then....because Joyce admits to the threshold point (foreign citizenship) ....but holds to possible defences.....until those defences are tested in the High Court.....HE OUGHT GET OUT OF CABINET AND NOT BLOODY VOTE IN THE HOUSE.

Until it is tested he is an elected member of the House.

Yes but one without any integrity.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 103329 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Joyce renounces NZ Citizenship Reply #47 - Aug 15^th, 2017 at 7:43pm Aussie wrote on Aug 15^th, 2017 at 7:35pm: Well, I have no idea what your position is (and why) Bobby. NZ is not a foreign power. It's part of the same Commonwealth as us.
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Reply #48 - Aug 15^th, 2017 at 7:43pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 15^th, 2017 at 7:43pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 15^th, 2017 at 7:35pm:

Well, I have no idea what your position is (and why) Bobby.

NZ is not a foreign power.
It's part of the same Commonwealth as us.

Well said. Totally agree.

Any citizen of any one of 16 Commonwealth Realm nations is not a citizen of a foreign power.

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Reply #49 - Aug 15^th, 2017 at 7:44pm

Auggie wrote on Aug 15^th, 2017 at 7:36pm:

You know, Bobby, I actually agree with you on this one.

Our Constitution is an Act of the British Parliament; our head of state is the Queen. Britain has a special status for Commonwealth citizens because we're not considered foreign.

Unfortunately, this whole issue has been resolved by our American High Court in Sue vs. Hill, where the similar arguments I made were struck down by our republican and Americanised High Court.

The High Court has completely exceeded its bounds here.

Thanks - it will be so interesting to see what the High Court determines.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38534 Gender:	Re: Joyce renounces NZ Citizenship Reply #50 - Aug 15^th, 2017 at 7:46pm Bobby. wrote on Aug 15^th, 2017 at 7:43pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 15^th, 2017 at 7:35pm: Well, I have no idea what your position is (and why) Bobby. NZ is not a foreign power. It's part of the same Commonwealth as us. So is India. Is it a foreign power, Bobby/Caesar?
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 58233 Here Gender:	Re: Joyce renounces NZ Citizenship Reply #51 - Aug 15^th, 2017 at 7:46pm Quote: Joyce renounces NZ Citizenship Too little too late.
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Reply #52 - Aug 15^th, 2017 at 7:46pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 15^th, 2017 at 7:44pm:

Auggie wrote on Aug 15^th, 2017 at 7:36pm:

You know, Bobby, I actually agree with you on this one.

Our Constitution is an Act of the British Parliament; our head of state is the Queen. Britain has a special status for Commonwealth citizens because we're not considered foreign.

Unfortunately, this whole issue has been resolved by our American High Court in Sue vs. Hill, where the similar arguments I made were struck down by our republican and Americanised High Court.

The High Court has completely exceeded its bounds here.

Thanks - it will be so interesting to see what the High Court determines.

The High Court will rule that NZ is considered a foreign power because it the High Court is too PC and anti-monarchist.

BTW, the High Court has already rule on this issue.

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Re: Joyce renounces NZ Citizenship
Reply #53 - Aug 15^th, 2017 at 7:46pm

Auggie wrote on Aug 15^th, 2017 at 7:43pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 15^th, 2017 at 7:43pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 15^th, 2017 at 7:35pm:

Well, I have no idea what your position is (and why) Bobby.

NZ is not a foreign power.
It's part of the same Commonwealth as us.

Well said. Totally agree.

Any citizen of any one of 16 Commonwealth Realm nations is not a citizen of a foreign power.

Our only lawyer - Aussie - can't see that.
It will be a real win for me if I have determined this correctly
instead of him.

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Reply #54 - Aug 15^th, 2017 at 7:48pm

Aussie wrote on Aug 15^th, 2017 at 7:46pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 15^th, 2017 at 7:43pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 15^th, 2017 at 7:35pm:

Well, I have no idea what your position is (and why) Bobby.

NZ is not a foreign power.
It's part of the same Commonwealth as us.

So is India. Is it a foreign power, Bobby/Caesar?

Aussie, you are conflating the Commonwealth Realm with the Commonwealth of Nations.

I have only ever said that a citizen of the 16 Commonwealth Realm nations is not considered a foreign power.

A Commonwealth Realm nation is one whose Head of State is the Queen.

India's Head of State is not the Queen - it is a republic within the Commonwealth.

Therefore, India is considered a foreign power.

NZ and Canada are Commonwealth Realm nations - they are different.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38534 Gender:	Re: Joyce renounces NZ Citizenship Reply #55 - Aug 15^th, 2017 at 7:53pm Bobby: Quote: NZ is not a foreign power. It's part of the same Commonwealth as us. So is India a part of the Commonwealth. Is it a foreign power Bobby.
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38534 Gender:	Re: Joyce renounces NZ Citizenship Reply #56 - Aug 15^th, 2017 at 7:54pm Caesar, would you like a little wager that the High Court will not state that New Zealand is not a foreign power? I say it is, and the High Court decision will reflect that fact.
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Francis Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 595 Gender:	Re: Joyce renounces NZ Citizenship Reply #57 - Aug 16^th, 2017 at 10:16am What will happen if the high court finds against him? Will he be forced to resign? Will he be asked to repay his wages? Surely he will not be entitled to have a parliament pension after being illegally a MP all these years?
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Reply #58 - Aug 16^th, 2017 at 10:33am

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/barnaby-joyce-baarnabys-citizen-pains-...

FOREIGN Affairs Minister Julie Bishop today accused Labor Senator Penny Wong of being “up to her neck in it” over New Zealand’s probe into Barnaby Joyce’s citizenship status.

“She orchestrated what New Zealand Labour themselves call wrong and unacceptable conduct, conduct that should never have happened,” Ms Bishop told Sky News.

The Government is now moving to censure Senator Wong in the upper house

The government is refusing to budge on Barnaby Joyce’s parliamentary future given the Deputy Prime Minister’s dual New Zealand citizenship as the ongoing debacle sparked a war of words across the Tasman.

Ms Bishop took aim at Senator Wong this morning after it was revealed her chief of staff Marcus Ganley had spoken to the New Zealand Labour MP whose questions to the NZ Parliament sparked the probe into Mr Joyce’s citizenship status.

“Today we find that Penny Wong was up to her neck in it,” Ms Bishop told Sky News.

OOOOOPPPSS..

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Auggie Gold Member Offline The Bull Moose Posts: 8571	Re: Joyce renounces NZ Citizenship Reply #59 - Aug 16^th, 2017 at 11:48am Aussie wrote on Aug 15^th, 2017 at 7:54pm: Caesar, would you like a little wager that the High Court will not state that New Zealand is not a foreign power? I say it is, and the High Court decision will reflect that fact. I think I said before that the high court WILL rule that NZ is a foreign power.
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