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Re: Joyce renounces NZ Citizenship
Reply #90 - Aug 16^th, 2017 at 3:35pm

Aussie wrote on Aug 16^th, 2017 at 2:05pm:

You can believe the Earth is flat if you like....but I don't, and neither does the High Court.

There is no point double guessing the place where the buck stops.

Face and accept reality.

Posting theories (as you have) based on rubbish fundamentals is disingenuous and while it might make blokes like Bobby feel all warm and fuzzy, it is pipe dream fantasy crap.

Hi Aussie,
& if I'm proven correct - with my bush lawyer skills -
will you apologise to me?

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 103358 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Joyce renounces NZ Citizenship Reply #91 - Aug 16^th, 2017 at 3:36pm *
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it_is_the_light Gold Member Offline Christ Light Posts: 41434 The Pyramid of LIGHT Gender:	Re: Joyce renounces NZ Citizenship Reply #92 - Aug 16^th, 2017 at 3:38pm they are both reported to be owned ,occupied and run by the slave trading queen .. but not for much longer
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 83923 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: Joyce renounces NZ Citizenship Reply #93 - Aug 16^th, 2017 at 3:40pm Buggar! He jumped the wrong way.... and we had such high hopes....
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Re: Joyce renounces NZ Citizenship
Reply #94 - Aug 16^th, 2017 at 3:46pm

TheFunPolice wrote on Aug 16^th, 2017 at 3:30pm:

Auggie wrote on Aug 16^th, 2017 at 3:23pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 16^th, 2017 at 3:17pm:

Auggie wrote on Aug 16^th, 2017 at 3:16pm:

Should NZ be defined as a foreign power?

Yes or no?

of course it should. It's crazy to suggest otherwise.

Why should it be defined as such? Their head of state is the queen. Their constitution is an act of the British parliament.

Australias head of state is the queen. Our constitution is an act of the British parliament. Australia's and NZ's legal authority both derive from the same place - the British parliament.

Australian armed forces and NZ armed forces swear allegiance to the Queen. All politicians swear an oath to the Sovereign in Australia and NZ.

How is NZ a foreign power to us when we share allegiance to the same sovereign, have the same institutions?

You're berko buddy Wink

Right let me clarify: yore saying that NZ head of state is not the same as Australia's?

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Re: Joyce renounces NZ Citizenship
Reply #95 - Aug 16^th, 2017 at 3:47pm

If all of our courts are filled with such founts of wisdom and knowledge - why doe they have such a desperate need to surround themselves with such high fences of costs and 'need' to employ highest-flying barristers to put a simple case?

Are we somehow supposed to beleive that these learned judges are not in possession of the facts and laws of a case beforehand, but must rely solely on the 'skill' and artifice with which a case is posted?

I ask a simple question - should Joyce stand down since it has been shown he has NZ citizenship, same as others have done already?

"That'll be $15000 lodgement fee.... there are fees attached to every aspect of your application which must be absolutely phrsed correctly or it will be rejected and a further application fee will arise ... you'll need to acquire documents from us at $25 a page including thousands of pages of past judgements pertaining to the issue .... and you'll need a QC to present your case and that will cost you $25000 a day... if you're lucky.. please send your initial check and deposit of $150,000..."

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Re: Joyce renounces NZ Citizenship
Reply #96 - Aug 16^th, 2017 at 3:47pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Aug 16^th, 2017 at 3:38pm:

they are both reported to be owned ,occupied and run by the slave trading queen .. but not for much longer

http://www.australianflag.net.au/images/stories/frontpagecentre/AustralianFlag.p...

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0714/1883/products/NZ_2b0f38b6-78c5-4f8f-95c4-...

Cheesy

Hi master Light,
the Chinese own us now:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1502227564/90#96

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Re: Joyce renounces NZ Citizenship
Reply #97 - Aug 16^th, 2017 at 4:09pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 16^th, 2017 at 3:35pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 16^th, 2017 at 2:05pm:

You can believe the Earth is flat if you like....but I don't, and neither does the High Court.

There is no point double guessing the place where the buck stops.

Face and accept reality.

Posting theories (as you have) based on rubbish fundamentals is disingenuous and while it might make blokes like Bobby feel all warm and fuzzy, it is pipe dream fantasy crap.

Hi Aussie,
& if I'm proven correct - with my bush lawyer skills -
will you apologise to me?

Have you taken a position and explained why?

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Re: Joyce renounces NZ Citizenship
Reply #98 - Aug 16^th, 2017 at 4:18pm

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that argument will only serve to bring on the republic. WHy don't you suggest it to the mainstream media, maybe they can run with it and hopefully speed up the process.

You know, John Smith, I actually agree with you on this point. We would've become a Republic much sooner if the High Court had declared what I said 20 or so years ago. The High Court's decision to assert Australia as an independent nation has actually slowed down the republic process.

The facts are the facts: we are not an independent nation until we become a republic.

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Re: Joyce renounces NZ Citizenship
Reply #99 - Aug 16^th, 2017 at 4:21pm

Aussie wrote on Aug 16^th, 2017 at 4:09pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 16^th, 2017 at 3:35pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 16^th, 2017 at 2:05pm:

You can believe the Earth is flat if you like....but I don't, and neither does the High Court.

There is no point double guessing the place where the buck stops.

Face and accept reality.

Posting theories (as you have) based on rubbish fundamentals is disingenuous and while it might make blokes like Bobby feel all warm and fuzzy, it is pipe dream fantasy crap.

Hi Aussie,
& if I'm proven correct - with my bush lawyer skills -
will you apologise to me?

Have you taken a position and explained why?

Yes: because Australia's Head of State is Queen Elizabeth II; NZ's Head of State is Queen Elizabeth II. NZ's Constitution is an Act of the British Parliament, promulgated by the Queen; Australia's Constitution is an Act of the British Parliament, promulgated by the Queen.

Australia and NZ's legal authority derives from the same source: the Sovereign of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Those are the facts, whether you or the High Court likes them or not.

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Re: Joyce renounces NZ Citizenship
Reply #100 - Aug 16^th, 2017 at 4:22pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 16^th, 2017 at 3:47pm:

If all of our courts are filled with such founts of wisdom and knowledge - why doe they have such a desperate need to surround themselves with such high fences of costs and 'need' to employ highest-flying barristers to put a simple case?

Are we somehow supposed to beleive that these learned judges are not in possession of the facts and laws of a case beforehand, but must rely solely on the 'skill' and artifice with which a case is posted?

I ask a simple question - should Joyce stand down since it has been shown he has NZ citizenship, same as others have done already?

"That'll be $15000 lodgement fee.... there are fees attached to every aspect of your application which must be absolutely phrsed correctly or it will be rejected and a further application fee will arise ... you'll need to acquire documents from us at $25 a page including thousands of pages of past judgements pertaining to the issue .... and you'll need a QC to present your case and that will cost you $25000 a day... if you're lucky.. please send your initial check and deposit of $150,000..."

The question is whether or not possession of NZ citizenship should exclude him from being a member of Parliament. Is NZ considered a foreign power? They have sworn allegiance to the Queen, and so have we.

How is NZ a foreign power?

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Francis Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 595 Gender:	Re: Joyce renounces NZ Citizenship Reply #101 - Aug 16^th, 2017 at 5:00pm I believe you make a strong argument and may be correct. I would assume this will be Barnaby legal argument. If we both pledge to the same queen NZ may not be a foreign nation. But than why are the liberals attacking labor over interfering in a foreign nation government (NZ)? The plot thickens
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Re: Joyce renounces NZ Citizenship
Reply #102 - Aug 16^th, 2017 at 5:01pm

Auggie wrote on Aug 16^th, 2017 at 4:21pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 16^th, 2017 at 4:09pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 16^th, 2017 at 3:35pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 16^th, 2017 at 2:05pm:

You can believe the Earth is flat if you like....but I don't, and neither does the High Court.

There is no point double guessing the place where the buck stops.

Face and accept reality.

Posting theories (as you have) based on rubbish fundamentals is disingenuous and while it might make blokes like Bobby feel all warm and fuzzy, it is pipe dream fantasy crap.

Hi Aussie,
& if I'm proven correct - with my bush lawyer skills -
will you apologise to me?

Have you taken a position and explained why?

Yes: because Australia's Head of State is Queen Elizabeth II; NZ's Head of State is Queen Elizabeth II. NZ's Constitution is an Act of the British Parliament, promulgated by the Queen; Australia's Constitution is an Act of the British Parliament, promulgated by the Queen.

Australia and NZ's legal authority derives from the same source: the Sovereign of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Those are the facts, whether you or the High Court likes them or not.

I was asking Bobby.

(And yes....those are the facts....just like it is a fact that New Zealand is a foreign power, and that will be confirmed in the High Court...yet again.)

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Re: Joyce renounces NZ Citizenship
Reply #103 - Aug 16^th, 2017 at 5:13pm

Francis wrote on Aug 16^th, 2017 at 5:00pm:

I believe you make a strong argument and may be correct. I would assume this will be Barnaby legal argument. If we both pledge to the same queen NZ may not be a foreign nation. But than why are the liberals attacking labor over interfering in a foreign nation government (NZ)?

The plot thickens Shocked

Barnaby today called them a 'friendly foreign nation': so they are all carefully watching their words.

It's all words and conspiracy theories being thrown around wildly like schoolchildren and meanwhile the kids get saddled with copper internet in the asian century this country actually built!

Yay, go the once allegedly clever country that let BARNABY-NET make the children pay for it's fathers sins,

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Re: Joyce renounces NZ Citizenship
Reply #104 - Aug 16^th, 2017 at 5:17pm

QUESTION TIME!

Boy Scouts Jamboree more like.

Watching the MPs that WE elected in GOOD FAITH acting like a bunch of children, is beyond the pale.

The SENATE is a bunch of misfits ... USELESS ... why don't we just do a POLL on various LEGISLATION. Huh?

Australia is not what WE wanted for our children and grandchildren.

Perhaps Trump will cause WW3 .. that might actually be a GOOD thing .... unless you are religious and think otherwise.

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