Swagman wrote on Aug 16
th, 2017 at 9:32pm:
thecuriousmail wrote on Aug 16
th, 2017 at 8:54pm:
What is the difference between putting a toll on the road, or a toll on the footpath??
What is your argument that would apply to toll roads, and not toll footpaths?
And are not both basic state infrastructure, and have I not already paid thru various taxes and charges and rates??
Footpaths are mostly local council, not State infrastructure. Paid for mostly by land or business owners.
The argument for tolls is that they enable more infrastructure to be built than without them and they free up tax dollars that can be spent on other services, hospitals and schools for example.
Fares on public transport, buses, trains, ferries, are all just tolls. Do you also balk at paying fares? The fares contribute to the upkeep and the establishment of the public transport.
State as in government, not state as in federal, state, or council. Footpaths are an example of where a toll could be applied, if a toll is argued could be applied to a road (which you acknowledge by your 'keep the kiddies safe and educated' point--hospitals and schools). There is nothing logically different between a toll on either.
The argument for tolls is that they enable more ROADS to be built than without them So more footpaths (or any infrastructure not currently subject to tolls) could be built with tolls, if the argument is more can be built by having tolls, but there are no tolls on footpaths. Or parks, or playgrounds, or national parks, or police, or fire service, or whatever infrastructure/service. By your argument where there is no toll/charge, there should be a toll/charge, because a toll/charge will get us more.
But the majority of new arterial roads in Qld have been toll roads, and there were no toll roads in Qld for more than 100 years, up until the 1980s. How does it follow that we have less roads built and paid for solely by the state govt thru our taxes, but many more toll roads? They are spending less on the roads, and we have many more toll roads after all.
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That they free up tax dollars that can be spent on other services, hospitals and schools for example??"
What is it exactly that my taxes pay for then? And why is it that taxes "buy" less govt services each year?
And what specifically is there that I have to pay twice for? Eg toll roads. Is that it??
Your argument is just an open-ended excuse for a government to make more demands but without justification or accountability on their part.
Sounds good when you say, 'oh but for services like hospitals and schools', but it's simply an excuse that keeps on giving.
There'll be a toll on a road somewhere because of a $122 million non-binding survey. ETC ETC ETC ETC
No hospital or school there.
Maybe debt, definitely mismanagement.