sir prince duke alevine wrote on Aug 30^th, 2017 at 9:11pm:


Except Israeli Orthodox Yips, Alevine. They're up there with Druze as the highest inbreeders on the planet.

If you don't mind me asking, why are we calling them Yips?

Karnal wrote on Aug 30^th, 2017 at 9:17pm:

Oh so then it is because of religion, but only amongst Orthodox Jews? In the rest of the Arab world it's not Islam, it's a medieval practice they've never really been able to shake off. Probably because but of the Jews. But only the religious ones. Yes, karnal?

You're a hoot, and a great waste of time 

Frank wrote on Aug 30^th, 2017 at 9:19pm:

Marrying daughters not allowed.  But cousins is okay.

Is that it, karnal?

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Still going on about the Jews eh? Why is it the Jews bit and not the mindless collective of traitors bit that you keep complaining about?

Were they mindless?

Were they a collective?

Were they treacherous?

Were they Jewish?

Do you believe muslims today are a mindless collective?

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If you gave your own answer, it would make it a bit harder for me to 'lie', wouldn't it?

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What makes you think that?

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Are you suggesting there is no causal link between Muhammad having sex with his relatives and the high levels of incest in traditional Muslim communities, and the modern difficulties that the medical community has in advising against it without upsetting religious sensibilities? Is this why you won't answer the question about modern Muslims being a mindless collective?

BTW the Arabs have plenty of neighbours. That's why they call it the middle east.

freediver wrote on Aug 30^th, 2017 at 9:29pm:


What do you think, Alevine? FD, remember, changed his mind.

Can I ask why they're Yips?

You haven't said.

mothra wrote on Aug 31^st, 2017 at 1:15am:


Not to the same calibre.  We know the vast problems with rape and islam, and we know FGM is almost exclusively an issue for Islam.  And I don't get your numbers concern? I'd say that there are probably a random 1.6 billion people on this planet, regardless of religion or culture, who share in a belief that women are lesser than men to some degree, whether that be that they stay home and cook or that thye are literally sex slaves to the male.  Does that validate the belief that 'women are lesser than men' ? I mean, 1.6 billion people would agree to some extent so if we are to use this as some sort of weighting for whether or not we can raise legitimate concerns about a belief then we'd always all keep our mouths shut for just about every issue.  I don't care that 1.6 billion people follow islam in some shape or form. I look at the majority group and its beliefs, which is the conservative mulsim group, and based on the state of the islamic states where their beliefs are practiced I say WTF, this is all so horribly wrong!  AND can I add mothra, that if even 1% of muslims get impacted by incest then that's 16 million people. Now, we know actually it's a whole lot higher, but do you realise how in fact the number of people that islam impacts actually does indeed matter quite a bit? rather than tell me to keep hush because of the number of people I may be insulting because I believe the teachings are so fcked up, you should be siding with me to stop 16 million people (and many more) from being impacted by the terrible teachings.

And I'm ever so surprised at you - you claim to be a feminist and yet when it comes to islam you quickly shy away from your feminist beliefs.  Mothra, stop supporting what is probably the most prominent anti-feminist ideology in the world today.

mothra wrote on Aug 31^st, 2017 at 1:15am:


Muhammad had sex with his relatives. Therefor Muslims cannot say that incest is either immoral or stupid or unnatural. This has very real implications for medical professionals trying to discourage incest in Muslim countries. The religion is a minefield for them. Islam does not just happen to coincide with incest. It actually causes it.

Jesus did not. At various times in history the church has officially banned incest, up to limits so absurd (ie sharing a common ancestor up to 6 to 10 generations back) that it became a genuine burden to keep track of.

There are plenty of other similar issues, and the fact that Muhammad was a political, military and religious leaders means all the political, military and religious crap from 7th century Arabia now has the seal of approval from Islam. Sex slavery, dictatorship, slaughtering innocent people on the weakest of pretexts etc. Incest is the least of Islam's problems. At least it is voluntary.

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Even if they are idiots and their beliefs and representations undermine women's rights?

Even if their beliefs are that non-Muslim women should become sex slaves for Muslim men and they should help make this happen?

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Aug 30^th, 2017 at 8:27pm:


Sorry Alevine, I don't think I'm getting through.

To put it as plainly as I can - what I'm trying to say is that the "stupendous" argument is the one that assumes that religion - any religion - is to blame for incest.