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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Islam-inspired racism Reply #180 - Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:33pm polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:32pm: Do you deny calling them a mindless collective? This, ladies and gentlemen, is what we call backpeddling. Of the most mealy mouthed kind.
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Reply #181 - Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:38pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:32pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:27pm:

Do you deny calling them a mindless collective?

Can you explain why you suddenly cannot comprehend a single one of these questions - not even the one you just asked me in this thread?

Were they mindless?

Were they a collective?

Were they treacherous?

Were they Jewish?

Do you believe Muslims today are a mindless collective?

Thanks FD, we'll conclude from this that you did indeed lie by accusing me of describing them as a mindless collective of treacherous jews.

Its just a shame you can't be man enough to admit it.

If you are unwilling to deny it, why accuse me of lying?

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:30pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 8:56pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 8:44pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 6:55pm:

This constant, 'You think it's islam, you must be islamophobic'

fair dinkum alevine - is deliberately misrepresenting what I say some favourite pass time of yours? You seem to do it every time you quote me.

You may or may not be being islamophobic, but thats not the issue here, and its certainly not what I was thinking about. What I was thinking about, and what is the issue, is this scurge of jumping to baseless conclusions using faulty logic. Its rampant here, unfortunately.

Now as you say, "stats don't lie" - and thats precisely why you are wrong. What the stats show is that inbreeding is relatively higher in a large block of the world that incorporates the middle east, central asia, south Asia - as well as pretty much the entire African continent. If we are talking about religous makeup of these regions, Islam is only one of 3 major religions - the others being hinduism and christian/animist. Now we can go with your logic and say this is all down to religion - which would mean all 3 religions independently cause people to want to marry their cousins. And we presumably dismiss any other socio-cultural factors. Keeping in mind that we would be applying this logic despite the fact that none of those 3 religions give any doctrinal encouragement for the practice. Does that sound logical to you?

Another point about stats: other muslim areas, most notably SE Asia, including no less the largest muslim country in the world, have negligible levels of cousin marriage - about on a par with most of the west.

what socio-cultural factors cause the Middle East and the Sub-Continent to have a much higher level of incestuous marriage? I mean that's all I've been asking you from day one. I just wish you'd elaborate! I can tell you that from the map freediver presented just before to you, the one linkage I can see is the very large population of people who would base their behaviours on the teachings of Islam. Even India, it would be hard to tell whether it is indeed Hinduism or Islam, but nonetheless I once again state I don't think Islam i sthe ONLY religion where incest is a problem. It's just the cause of the problem in the Arab world. Unless we start talking Cleopatra again?

I never claimed to know what factors are at play, only that its faulty logic to baselessly assume its all because of Islam.

Does the fact that the substantial muslim populations in SE Asia don't have the problem raise any red flags for you?

Are you denying that Islam is one of those factors? Or just turning it into some unfathomable mystery?

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Re: Islam-inspired racism
Reply #182 - Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:48pm

freediver wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:38pm:

If you are unwilling to deny it, why accuse me of lying?

You are lying because you accused me of calling them "a mindless collective of treacherous jews" - which I absolutely deny - because we both know its rubbish. Your pathetic attempts at backpeddling by pretending we're only talking about 50% of your BS claim aren't going to magically make that lie go away you know FD.

I must say I don't think I've ever come across someone who has so much difficulty understanding when they are lying.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Islam-inspired racism Reply #183 - Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:50pm freediver wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:38pm: Are you denying that Islam is one of those factors? I am not denying Islam may play a part. There is a difference you know. The world isn't black and white - even when we're talking about Islam.
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Reply #184 - Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:54pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:50pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:38pm:

Are you denying that Islam is one of those factors?

I am not denying Islam may play a part. There is a difference you know. The world isn't black and white - even when we're talking about Islam.

Would you say the world is somewhere between black and white and an unfathomable mystery? Or is that getting too specific?

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:48pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:38pm:

If you are unwilling to deny it, why accuse me of lying?

You are lying because you accused me of calling them "a mindless collective of treacherous jews" - which I absolutely deny - because we both know its rubbish. Your pathetic attempts at backpeddling by pretending we're only talking about 50% of your BS claim aren't going to magically make that lie go away you know FD.

I must say I don't think I've ever come across someone who has so much difficulty understanding when they are lying.

So I'm lying because you didn't put all those terms into the one sentence like I did?

Can you explain why you suddenly cannot comprehend a single one of these questions - not even the one you just asked me earlier in this thread?

Were they mindless?

Were they a collective?

Were they treacherous?

Were they Jewish?

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Reply #185 - Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:05pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:50pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:38pm:

Are you denying that Islam is one of those factors?

I am not denying Islam may play a part. There is a difference you know. The world isn't black and white - even when we're talking about Islam.

I dunno, before you got quite red in the face telling me it isn't Islam.

But I'll take your retraction as a positive for your own personal growth.

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Reply #186 - Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:31pm

freediver wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:54pm:

So I'm lying because you didn't put all those terms into the one sentence like I did?

You're lying because you literally invented a phrase and accused me of using it. In case you're still having difficulty, here it is again:

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you justified Muhammad's genocide by describing them as a mindless collective of treacherous Jews.

The fact that you duck and weave whenever I ask for the quote of me "describing" this - that you yourself offered - just proves it.

FD, if I accused you of saying something incriminating, but never provided an actual quote - despite multiple requests - would you think that was fine and dandy? what would you accuse me of being?

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Reply #187 - Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:35pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:05pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:50pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:38pm:

Are you denying that Islam is one of those factors?

I am not denying Islam may play a part. There is a difference you know. The world isn't black and white - even when we're talking about Islam.

I dunno, before you got quite red in the face telling me it isn't Islam.

But I'll take your retraction as a positive for your own personal growth.

Perhaps if you could quote me telling you that it wasn't Islam, that should settle it.

Otherwise, I'll stick with you're misinterpreting me.

Do you agree that the substantial SE Asian muslim populations (including the largest muslim country on earth) having negligible cousin marriage/inbreeding rates puts a dent in your views on this matter?

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Reply #188 - Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:46pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:35pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:05pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:50pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:38pm:

Are you denying that Islam is one of those factors?

I am not denying Islam may play a part. There is a difference you know. The world isn't black and white - even when we're talking about Islam.

I dunno, before you got quite red in the face telling me it isn't Islam.

But I'll take your retraction as a positive for your own personal growth.

Perhaps if you could quote me telling you that it wasn't Islam, that should settle it.

Otherwise, I'll stick with you're misinterpreting me.

Do you agree that the substantial SE Asian muslim populations (including the largest muslim country on earth) having negligible cousin marriage/inbreeding rates puts a dent in your views on this matter?

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Sorry Alevine, I don't think I'm getting through.

To put it as plainly as I can - what I'm trying to say is that the "stupendous" argument is the one that assumes that religion - any religion - is to blame for incest.

I'm starting to understand why Freediver argues with you about your lack of memory about things you say. You seem to have a real problem either owning the words you say, or remembering what you say.

Anyway, like I've said, I'm okay with your retraction because I'm glad you've learnt something from it.

On the second matter, I've already explained that I have no problem with the discrepancy between Islamic regions, and I've already explained this to you so I'm not certain why you would raise it again rather than my reasoning? is this another of your short term memory lapses?

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Karnal Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 96963	Re: Islam-inspired racism Reply #189 - Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 1:55am freediver wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 12:23pm: Are you saying that Muhammad's example is not a genuine barrier to modern politicians and medical workers trying to discourage incest in Muslim countries? Are you saying the church banned incest?
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Reply #190 - Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 2:05am

Karnal wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 1:55am:

freediver wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 12:23pm:

Are you saying that Muhammad's example is not a genuine barrier to modern politicians and medical workers trying to discourage incest in Muslim countries?

Are you saying the church banned incest?

Are you saying that islam has undergone reformation?

Or perhaps it's because christians didn't really like cleopatra, after all? What do you think, Karnal?

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Reply #191 - Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 2:27am

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:25pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:17pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:12pm:

Not at all FD, what happened was that you made a BS claim about me, and you asked if I wanted you to quote me - I said yes - remember?

Here it is again:

freediver wrote on Aug 29^th, 2017 at 1:36pm:

You justified Muhammad's genocide by describing them as a mindless collective of treacherous Jews.

freediver wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 3:46pm:

Would you like me to quote you Gandalf?

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 4:01pm:

Yes I would FD, thats exactly what I asked. Please quote me "describing" them as "a mindless collective of treacherous jews".
Thanks.

After that you ran away from it FD. Thats where we're "at".

So you want me to quote you describing them as a mindless collective also? Is this because you deny doing so?

You seem to be having difficulty with what BS claims you are making FD. Here it is again:

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You justified Muhammad's genocide by describing them as a mindless collective of treacherous Jews.

If you can't quote me like you offered, just say so FD - no need for the elaborate ducking and weaving act.

As for your follow up question - yes I absolutely deny calling them "a mindless collective of treacherous Jews" - as you claimed.

Hang on, FD called them a mindless collective - a hive mind, remember. No individuality whatsoever, so unfair. Treacherous Jews.

FD made all this up himself, we all know that. And do you know?

The only reason he's chasing you around claiming wacism is he's ever so desperate to justify his own.

But for some reason, unlike Sprint, unlike Herbie and Homo and Honky and dear old Sore End, FD can't bring himself to admit he's a card-carrying racist.

FD plays these games as a kind of homoerotic mastabatory orgy indulging his own fear of the tinted races.

At least Herbie can admit it. The best FD can do is chase you around asking you to justify his own quotes.

Were they Jewish?

Were they mindless?

Were they a collective?

Will you join me in a jolly group w@nk over my wacist fantasies?

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Reply #192 - Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 2:28am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 2:05am:

Karnal wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 1:55am:

freediver wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 12:23pm:

Are you saying that Muhammad's example is not a genuine barrier to modern politicians and medical workers trying to discourage incest in Muslim countries?

Are you saying the church banned incest?

Are you saying that islam has undergone reformation?

Or perhaps it's because christians didn't really like cleopatra, after all? What do you think, Karnal?

Don't want to say, eh?

Neither does FD. He thinks the church banned cousin marriage.

You?

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Reply #193 - Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 2:34am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:46pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:35pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:05pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:50pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:38pm:

Are you denying that Islam is one of those factors?

I am not denying Islam may play a part. There is a difference you know. The world isn't black and white - even when we're talking about Islam.

I dunno, before you got quite red in the face telling me it isn't Islam.

But I'll take your retraction as a positive for your own personal growth.

Perhaps if you could quote me telling you that it wasn't Islam, that should settle it.

Otherwise, I'll stick with you're misinterpreting me.

Do you agree that the substantial SE Asian muslim populations (including the largest muslim country on earth) having negligible cousin marriage/inbreeding rates puts a dent in your views on this matter?

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Sorry Alevine, I don't think I'm getting through.

To put it as plainly as I can - what I'm trying to say is that the "stupendous" argument is the one that assumes that religion - any religion - is to blame for incest.

I'm starting to understand why Freediver argues with you about your lack of memory about things you say. You seem to have a real problem either owning the words you say, or remembering what you say.

Anyway, like I've said, I'm okay with your retraction because I'm glad you've learnt something from it.

On the second matter, I've already explained that I have no problem with the discrepancy between Islamic regions, and I've already explained this to you so I'm not certain why you would raise it again rather than my reasoning? is this another of your short term memory lapses?

Alevine, G is smarter than you, nicer than you, more honest than you and has a far better memory. We all know that, including you. Stop being silly. If you want to win tit for tat arguments about nothing, go back to chasing poor old Cods around.

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Reply #194 - Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 2:53am

Karnal wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 2:34am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:46pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:35pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:05pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:50pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:38pm:

Are you denying that Islam is one of those factors?

I am not denying Islam may play a part. There is a difference you know. The world isn't black and white - even when we're talking about Islam.

I dunno, before you got quite red in the face telling me it isn't Islam.

But I'll take your retraction as a positive for your own personal growth.

Perhaps if you could quote me telling you that it wasn't Islam, that should settle it.

Otherwise, I'll stick with you're misinterpreting me.

Do you agree that the substantial SE Asian muslim populations (including the largest muslim country on earth) having negligible cousin marriage/inbreeding rates puts a dent in your views on this matter?

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Sorry Alevine, I don't think I'm getting through.

To put it as plainly as I can - what I'm trying to say is that the "stupendous" argument is the one that assumes that religion - any religion - is to blame for incest.

I'm starting to understand why Freediver argues with you about your lack of memory about things you say. You seem to have a real problem either owning the words you say, or remembering what you say.

Anyway, like I've said, I'm okay with your retraction because I'm glad you've learnt something from it.

On the second matter, I've already explained that I have no problem with the discrepancy between Islamic regions, and I've already explained this to you so I'm not certain why you would raise it again rather than my reasoning? is this another of your short term memory lapses?

Alevine, G is smarter than you, nicer than you, more honest than you and has a far better memory. We all know that, including you. Stop being silly. If you want to win tit for tat arguments about nothing, go back to chasing poor old Cods around.

I don't know gandalf personally, so I can't really tell whether he is nice than me or not. On these forums I think we each have our moments. For being smarter, I dunno, i can definitely admit I have a tendency for not being rational some times, but for gandalf it seems to be quite often. Definitely I'm a lot happier to admit when I have misspoken or was wrong in an argument - Gandalf seems to deflect, misquote and forget what he says.

But what I do know for a fact is that when it comes to being regressive and delusional on this forum, you and gweggy take take equal first place

You win a book on the history of Cleopatra's clitoris and how it has caused so much grief around the world for over 2000 years. Congratulations!

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