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Reply #210 - Aug 25^th, 2017 at 2:00am

Bobby. wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 12:37am:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 10:51pm:

why do you think any of that (well known) information in any way supports your idiotic contention that the USA SCOTUS is 'better' than the Australian High Court?

Do you know how to formulate and argument? Do you even know that an argument is?

Longy,
that was only the first part of my attempt to educate you.
You're a very obnoxious student & I don't know if it's worth continuing?

What should be understood is that the Constitution represented a culmination of all that came before it, and by itself represented a bold new approach to government.

Incorrect. The Founders really had no idea what they were doing. They just signed the document and hoped for the best. By creating a new system, they couldn't foresee the problems.

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Reply #211 - Aug 25^th, 2017 at 2:07am

Bobby. wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 4:42pm:

Panther wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 4:25pm:

Now, this is extremely important, what was the "Original Intent" of the framers of that section of law?

Was it intended to be taken completely literal, regardless of circumstance?

~~ OR ~~

Was it instituted so that no external foreign government or power could call upon allegiance of it's citizens in Australia, to itself, to offset & override the sovereign will of Australia?

If all this insanity hadn't come to pass in the first place, Barnaby Joyce would have probably never known he was a defacto citizen of New Zealand simply because or due to the location of his father's birth & not his own.

This is why the Supreme Court of the USA is better.
We need to have a new law which allows our High Court to
re-write our law when there are unintended consequences.

Absolutely not.

How dangerous it would be to allow our court system to rewrite the laws of this country. They are appointed, not elected. They are not beholden to the Australian people.

All it would take is 4 people to change any law they saw fit. Just 4. A quadrumvirate if you will.

Raven does not think he is alone in the belief that Australia will allow four, or seven, unelected people the ability to rewrite our laws as they see fit.

Quoth the Raven "Nevermore"

Raven would rather ask questions that may never be answered, then accept answers which must never be questioned.

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Reply #212 - Aug 25^th, 2017 at 7:54am

Auggie wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 2:00am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 12:37am:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 10:51pm:

why do you think any of that (well known) information in any way supports your idiotic contention that the USA SCOTUS is 'better' than the Australian High Court?

Do you know how to formulate and argument? Do you even know that an argument is?

Longy,
that was only the first part of my attempt to educate you.
You're a very obnoxious student & I don't know if it's worth continuing?

What should be understood is that the Constitution represented a culmination of all that came before it, and by itself represented a bold new approach to government.

Incorrect. The Founders really had no idea what they were doing. They just signed the document and hoped for the best. By creating a new system, they couldn't foresee the problems.

Dear Caesar,
I just tried to start of the discussion on the previous page of how
the political systems of Europe were studied in detail & the best
parts put into the American Constitution.

Quote:

"The Constitution is known as a living document, meaning that it changes as the nation changes. Through a system of checks and balances, amendments, and Supreme Court rulings, the Constitution is not so much etched in stone as it is molded in the clays of time and circumstance. The Grand Experiment has, indeed, withstood the test of time."

https://soapboxie.com/government/The-Origins-of-the-United-States-Constitution

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Reply #213 - Aug 25^th, 2017 at 7:57am

Raven wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 2:07am:

Absolutely not.

How dangerous it would be to allow our court system to rewrite the laws of this country. They are appointed, not elected. They are not beholden to the Australian people.

All it would take is 4 people to change any law they saw fit. Just 4. A quadrumvirate if you will.

Raven does not think he is alone in the belief that Australia will allow four, or seven, unelected people the ability to rewrite our laws as they see fit.

Ahh come on,
The judgements are only when cases appear before the Supreme court &
where there is a contradiction to the Constitution
& it's all spelled out in detail using logic.
I think the system has worked very well.

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Reply #214 - Aug 25^th, 2017 at 10:39am

Bobby. wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 12:37am:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 10:51pm:

why do you think any of that (well known) information in any way supports your idiotic contention that the USA SCOTUS is 'better' than the Australian High Court?

Do you know how to formulate and argument? Do you even know that an argument is?

Longy,
that was only the first part of my attempt to educate you.
You're a very obnoxious student & I don't know if it's worth continuing?

What should be understood is that the Constitution represented a culmination of all that came before it, and by itself represented a bold new approach to government.

And all the pile of constitutional amendments that came after prove the point that it was an incomplete document put together by well-meaning but flawed people. After all, they left out FREEDOM OF SPEECH and had to add it later.

AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Reply #215 - Aug 25^th, 2017 at 10:42am

Bobby. wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 7:57am:

Raven wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 2:07am:

Absolutely not.

How dangerous it would be to allow our court system to rewrite the laws of this country. They are appointed, not elected. They are not beholden to the Australian people.

All it would take is 4 people to change any law they saw fit. Just 4. A quadrumvirate if you will.

Raven does not think he is alone in the belief that Australia will allow four, or seven, unelected people the ability to rewrite our laws as they see fit.

Ahh come on,
The judgements are only when cases appear before the Supreme court &
where there is a contradiction to the Constitution
& it's all spelled out in detail using logic.
I think the system has worked very well.

good grief, you dimwit. You have taken all these pages to get to exactly where the rest of always were. You claimed that SCOTUS could 'make and change' law at will. Now, you finally understand that they can only do when it is conflict with the constitution.

you are so odd.

AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Reply #216 - Aug 25^th, 2017 at 11:05am

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 10:42am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 7:57am:

Raven wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 2:07am:

Absolutely not.

How dangerous it would be to allow our court system to rewrite the laws of this country. They are appointed, not elected. They are not beholden to the Australian people.

All it would take is 4 people to change any law they saw fit. Just 4. A quadrumvirate if you will.

Raven does not think he is alone in the belief that Australia will allow four, or seven, unelected people the ability to rewrite our laws as they see fit.

Ahh come on,
The judgements are only when cases appear before the Supreme court &
where there is a contradiction to the Constitution
& it's all spelled out in detail using logic.
I think the system has worked very well.

good grief, you dimwit. You have taken all these pages to get to exactly where the rest of always were. You claimed that SCOTUS could 'make and change' law at will. Now, you finally understand that they can only do when it is conflict with the constitution.

you are so odd.

Longy,
the subtleties will come later when you've grasped the initial ideas.

Quote:

"The Constitution is known as a living document, meaning that it changes as the nation changes. Through a system of checks and balances, amendments, and Supreme Court rulings, the Constitution is not so much etched in stone as it is molded in the clays of time and circumstance. The Grand Experiment has, indeed, withstood the test of time."

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Reply #217 - Aug 25^th, 2017 at 11:16am

Bobby. wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 11:05am:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 10:42am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 7:57am:

Raven wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 2:07am:

Absolutely not.

How dangerous it would be to allow our court system to rewrite the laws of this country. They are appointed, not elected. They are not beholden to the Australian people.

All it would take is 4 people to change any law they saw fit. Just 4. A quadrumvirate if you will.

Raven does not think he is alone in the belief that Australia will allow four, or seven, unelected people the ability to rewrite our laws as they see fit.

Ahh come on,
The judgements are only when cases appear before the Supreme court &
where there is a contradiction to the Constitution
& it's all spelled out in detail using logic.
I think the system has worked very well.

good grief, you dimwit. You have taken all these pages to get to exactly where the rest of always were. You claimed that SCOTUS could 'make and change' law at will. Now, you finally understand that they can only do when it is conflict with the constitution.

you are so odd.

Longy,
the subtleties will come later when you've grasped the initial ideas.

Quote:

"The Constitution is known as a living document, meaning that it changes as the nation changes. Through a system of checks and balances, amendments, and Supreme Court rulings, the Constitution is not so much etched in stone as it is molded in the clays of time and circumstance. The Grand Experiment has, indeed, withstood the test of time."

I am not stupid. Nor is Caesar and some others. We see your attempts at deflection and revisionism and we are not conned. You started off knowing very little about this topic and demonstrated your ignorance with glee. Now that your dull-mind is finally comprehending that you were wrong, you are trying to subtley change the narrative to avoid looking stupid. Sorry, but that ship has sailed.

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Reply #218 - Aug 25^th, 2017 at 11:36am

Longy - I knew all about this over 40 years ago thanks
to the excellent TV series by Alistair Cooke &
I also read his book.
I was also fortunate enough to speak with an American historian at the time
who said that Cooke was spot on.
Having laws put in place that could change with the times
was a brilliant idea.
I am convinced that our High Court is inferior.
Let's see what they do with section 44 when the court cases start in a month or so.
Let' see if our High Court can actually change the law so
that citizens of foreign countries won't be excluded.

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Reply #219 - Aug 25^th, 2017 at 12:43pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 11:36am:

Longy - I knew all about this over 40 years ago thanks
to the excellent TV series by Alistair Cooke &
I also read his book.
I was also fortunate enough to speak with an American historian at the time
who said that Cooke was spot on.
Having laws put in place that could change with the times
was a brilliant idea.
I am convinced that our High Court is inferior.
Let's see what they do with section 44 when the court cases start in a month or so.
Let' see if our High Court can actually change the law so
that citizens of foreign countries won't be excluded.

you literally have no idea what a SCOTUS or High Court does or why it is there. No one can explain it to you because you are terminally stupid.

AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Reply #220 - Aug 25^th, 2017 at 12:50pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 12:43pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 11:36am:

Longy - I knew all about this over 40 years ago thanks
to the excellent TV series by Alistair Cooke &
I also read his book.
I was also fortunate enough to speak with an American historian at the time
who said that Cooke was spot on.
Having laws put in place that could change with the times
was a brilliant idea.
I am convinced that our High Court is inferior.
Let's see what they do with section 44 when the court cases start in a month or so.
Let' see if our High Court can actually change the law so
that citizens of foreign countries won't be excluded.

you literally have no idea what a SCOTUS or High Court does or why it is there. No one can explain it to you because you are terminally stupid.

Longy,
you're a disruptive student in class.
You're too dumb to be educated.

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Reply #221 - Aug 25^th, 2017 at 12:53pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 12:50pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 12:43pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 11:36am:

Longy - I knew all about this over 40 years ago thanks
to the excellent TV series by Alistair Cooke &
I also read his book.
I was also fortunate enough to speak with an American historian at the time
who said that Cooke was spot on.
Having laws put in place that could change with the times
was a brilliant idea.
I am convinced that our High Court is inferior.
Let's see what they do with section 44 when the court cases start in a month or so.
Let' see if our High Court can actually change the law so
that citizens of foreign countries won't be excluded.

you literally have no idea what a SCOTUS or High Court does or why it is there. No one can explain it to you because you are terminally stupid.

Longy,
you're a disruptive student in class.
You're too dumb to be educated.

says the ignoramus that says SCOTUS can change or repeal any law it likes and wishes our High Court could do the same.

drongo

AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Reply #222 - Oct 27^th, 2017 at 4:17pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 12:53pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 12:50pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 12:43pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 11:36am:

Longy - I knew all about this over 40 years ago thanks
to the excellent TV series by Alistair Cooke &
I also read his book.
I was also fortunate enough to speak with an American historian at the time
who said that Cooke was spot on.
Having laws put in place that could change with the times
was a brilliant idea.
I am convinced that our High Court is inferior.
Let's see what they do with section 44 when the court cases start in a month or so.
Let' see if our High Court can actually change the law so
that citizens of foreign countries won't be excluded.

you literally have no idea what a SCOTUS or High Court does or why it is there. No one can explain it to you because you are terminally stupid.

Longy,
you're a disruptive student in class.
You're too dumb to be educated.

says the ignoramus that says SCOTUS can change or repeal any law it likes and wishes our High Court could do the same.

drongo

Our high court was unable to change the law -
Barnaby was kicked out.

It is inferior to the US Supreme Court.

Longy owes me an apology.

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Reply #223 - Oct 27^th, 2017 at 5:18pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 27^th, 2017 at 4:17pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 12:53pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 12:50pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 12:43pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 11:36am:

Longy - I knew all about this over 40 years ago thanks
to the excellent TV series by Alistair Cooke &
I also read his book.
I was also fortunate enough to speak with an American historian at the time
who said that Cooke was spot on.
Having laws put in place that could change with the times
was a brilliant idea.
I am convinced that our High Court is inferior.
Let's see what they do with section 44 when the court cases start in a month or so.
Let' see if our High Court can actually change the law so
that citizens of foreign countries won't be excluded.

you literally have no idea what a SCOTUS or High Court does or why it is there. No one can explain it to you because you are terminally stupid.

Longy,
you're a disruptive student in class.
You're too dumb to be educated.

says the ignoramus that says SCOTUS can change or repeal any law it likes and wishes our High Court could do the same.

drongo

Our high court was unable to change the law -
Barnaby was kicked out.

It is inferior to the US Supreme Court.

Longy owes me an apology.

you really re a stupid moron. the high court cannot change law or the constitution. SCOTUS is the same. The high court today RULED on the constitution.

moron

AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Reply #224 - Oct 27^th, 2017 at 9:37pm

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 27^th, 2017 at 5:18pm:

you really re a stupid moron. the high court cannot change law or the constitution. SCOTUS is the same. The high court today RULED on the constitution.

moron

Longy,
The Supreme Court of the United States has changed many laws.

Abortion law is just one law.
How many 100s of other laws have they changed?

Now - apologise.

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