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Question: Is the USA Supreme Court better than our High Court?
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Reply #225 - Oct 28th, 2017 at 11:30am
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 27th, 2017 at 9:37pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Oct 27th, 2017 at 5:18pm:
you really re a stupid moron. the high court cannot change law or the constitution. SCOTUS is the same. The high court today RULED on the constitution.

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Longy,
The Supreme Court of the United States has changed many laws.

Abortion law is just one law.
How many 100s of other laws have they changed?

Now - apologise.




damn... no wonder you swallow so much Trumpism... You are terminally stupid. The SCOTUS didnt change abortion law at all. It ruled on a SPECIFIC law in regards to the Constitution in Rowe vs Wade.  it didnt change any laws and never has. It rules on the constitutionality of a specific law.

I know this is all far to complex for you to understand.

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Reply #226 - Oct 28th, 2017 at 1:29pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 27th, 2017 at 9:37pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Oct 27th, 2017 at 5:18pm:
you really re a stupid moron. the high court cannot change law or the constitution. SCOTUS is the same. The high court today RULED on the constitution.

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Longy,
The Supreme Court of the United States has changed many laws.

Abortion law is just one law.
How many 100s of other laws have they changed?

Now - apologise.




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....The SCOTUS didnt change abortion law at all. It ruled on a SPECIFIC law in regards to the Constitution in Rowe vs Wade.  it didnt change any laws......... It rules on the constitutionality of a specific law.....



Actually Bobby, you're wrong.....The above quote is mostly correct......

The US Supreme Court does not change the Law, but it does occasionally change the way it interprets the Law, which, in effect, may change the way a Law is implemented &/or enforced.

The only way the Supreme Court gets involved in making a Constitutional Decision is if it is petitioned to do so, or it sees a lower court decision that contradicts its interpretation of the Constitution.

The Supreme Court of the United States has the right to ignore any petition, or any lower court interpretation if it wishes. The Supreme Court is never forced to rule any particular way, regardless of precedence, & the only way a Supreme Court ruling can be changed is via Amendment, or the ruling of another (future) sitting of a Supreme Court.

Neither Congress, nor any President, can force the Supreme Court to rule on anything.

The Supreme Court's decisions are always final & absolute, unless they themselves choose to rehear an issue.



The only way the Law, the Constitution itself, can be changed is via a Constitutional Amendment, approved by & ratified by the American People.
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Reply #227 - Oct 28th, 2017 at 1:48pm
 
How many 100s of other laws have they changed?
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Reply #228 - Oct 28th, 2017 at 1:51pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 28th, 2017 at 1:48pm:
How many 100s of other laws have they changed?


Over 225+ years.......None........Zero.....

In over 225 years the Supreme Court of The United States never changed any Law.
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Reply #229 - Oct 28th, 2017 at 2:10pm
 
Panther wrote on Oct 28th, 2017 at 1:51pm:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 28th, 2017 at 1:48pm:
How many 100s of other laws have they changed?


Over 225+ years.......None........Zero.....

In over 225 years the Supreme Court of The United States never changed any Law.



Rubbish - they change laws all the time.

The founding fathers of the United States wanted a flexible legal system
that could change with changing times.

They got it but we didn't -

if Barnaby had come before the SCOTUS he would have got off
and still had his job.

Why - because that old law was stupid -

Hypothetical:
it would mean that President Putin could all of a sudden decide that
all Australian Citizens are now Russian citizens and our whole
parliament would collapse - that's how stupid that law is.
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Reply #230 - Oct 28th, 2017 at 2:54pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 28th, 2017 at 2:10pm:
Panther wrote on Oct 28th, 2017 at 1:51pm:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 28th, 2017 at 1:48pm:
How many 100s of other laws have they changed?


Over 225+ years.......None........Zero.....

In over 225 years the Supreme Court of The United States never changed any Law.



Rubbish - they change laws all the time.

The founding fathers of the United States wanted a flexible legal system
that could change with changing times.

They got it but we didn't -

if Barnaby had come before the SCOTUS he would have got off
and still had his job.

Why - because that old law was stupid -

Hypothetical:
it would mean that President Putin could all of a sudden decide that
all Australian Citizens are now Russian citizens and our whole
parliament would collapse - that's how stupid that law is.



I actually suggested that months ago if NK wanted to cause us grief, they could do just that.....Declare all Australians are here & now NK Citizens....


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....The founding fathers of the United States wanted a flexible legal system that could change with changing times.....



Absolutely......they sure did & they provided for a process to secure that flexibility.....but it isn't very easy....not by a long shot.

The Law of the Land in America is the US Constitution.

The Founding Fathers.......The People......wrote the Law, the US Constitution, expressly for the People....not the government, who depend on the express continual consent of the American People in order to govern, which can be rescinded at any time by the People.

Knowing that this set of Laws they wrote were not perfect, they gave the People (not the government) a way to change any part of it, or add new law to it.......& that is via a Constitutional Amendment.

The ONLY way the US Constitution can be changed, the only way the Law of the Land can be changed, is by Amending it, & that power belongs to the People, for they must approve of, & ratify, any Amendment.

The process been attempted thousands of times, but only 17 Amendments have ever gone through the process & been successful (not counting the first 10 amendments, which were actually a Bill of Rights).

Now, All US Laws must be based on the Constitution itself, if they are not they can be ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court.

The Supreme Court only rules on Constitutionality, & it never creates or changes existing Constitutional Law.

Would Barnaby Joyce have made it through the Supreme Court intact?

It would depend on how the Supreme Court would  'interpret' the Constitutional Law affecting him......but based on what I know, I seriously doubt they would have upheld his position.

JFYI.....there is no dual-citizenship disqualification I know of, or am aware of, in the US Constitution.

Nope, they would probably need to change that law, which IMHO is way too ambiguous (like most of the Australian Constitution), & Barnaby would probably still be out of luck.....

On a personal note I cant believe, for the life of me, IMHO, I can't believe the original intent of this law was to protect Australia from this kind of Dual-Citizenship. There is no conflict of interests, if the Citizenship holder has no knowledge of it, & was a natural born Australian Citizen himself, & has no interest in New Zealand that he could affect.

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Reply #231 - Oct 28th, 2017 at 3:01pm
 
Panther wrote on Oct 28th, 2017 at 2:54pm:
On a personal note I cant believe, for the life of me, IMHO, I can't believe the original intent of this law was to protect Australia from this kind of Dual-Citizenship. There is no conflict of interests, if the Citizenship holder has no knowledge of it, & was a natural born Australian Citizen himself, & has no interest in New Zealand that he could affect.



The law is crazy and the High Court were dogmatic
as though that law was from God or some other higher power.
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Reply #232 - Oct 28th, 2017 at 3:22pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 28th, 2017 at 3:01pm:
Panther wrote on Oct 28th, 2017 at 2:54pm:
On a personal note I cant believe, for the life of me, IMHO, I can't believe the original intent of this law was to protect Australia from this kind of Dual-Citizenship. There is no conflict of interests, if the Citizenship holder has no knowledge of it, & was a natural born Australian Citizen himself, & has no interest in New Zealand that he could affect.



The law is crazy and the High Court were dogmatic
as though that law was from God or some other higher power.


Well in the end, I sincerely believe the US Supreme Court is superior to the Australian High Court, not because the justices are of a higher quality, but because they have a superior Constitution to define & defend........one written by the People, for the People, & not written with an intended level of ambiguity, by & with the approval of a foreign government, rather than the Australian People.....who the Law must serve.

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Reply #233 - Oct 28th, 2017 at 3:53pm
 
You undermine your own argument by mentioning the antiquated US constitution which weakens their position not strengthens it.
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Reply #234 - Oct 28th, 2017 at 4:00pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Oct 28th, 2017 at 3:53pm:
You undermine your own argument by mentioning the antiquated US constitution which weakens their position not strengthens it.


Watching Bobby vs Panther is like watching a fool vs a moron. One is incapable of understanding a basic truth while the other is so enamored with far-right ideology he understands nothing either.

Booby thinks scotus makes law. But then again, he loves lastnail so obviously he is mentally defective.
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Reply #235 - Oct 28th, 2017 at 4:50pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Oct 28th, 2017 at 4:00pm:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 28th, 2017 at 3:53pm:
You undermine your own argument by mentioning the antiquated US constitution which weakens their position not strengthens it.


Watching Bobby vs Panther is like watching a fool vs a moron. One is incapable of understanding a basic truth while the other is so enamored with far-right ideology he understands nothing either.

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In your dreams boy ...... I have forgotten more about the US Constitution & American History in one short moment, than you could ever hope to learn in a lifetime.  Grin Grin Grin

Your total & absolute ignorance of the US Constitution & American History yourself, is first & foremost the reason you can't realize or comprehend that.  Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #236 - Oct 28th, 2017 at 5:41pm
 
Panther wrote on Oct 28th, 2017 at 4:50pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Oct 28th, 2017 at 4:00pm:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 28th, 2017 at 3:53pm:
You undermine your own argument by mentioning the antiquated US constitution which weakens their position not strengthens it.


Watching Bobby vs Panther is like watching a fool vs a moron. One is incapable of understanding a basic truth while the other is so enamored with far-right ideology he understands nothing either.

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In your dreams boy ...... I have forgotten more about the US Constitution & American History in one short moment, than you could ever hope to learn in a lifetime.  Grin Grin Grin

Your total & absolute ignorance of the US Constitution & American History yourself, is first & foremost the reason you can't realize or comprehend that.  Grin Grin Grin



so you continually claim but without evidence. Certainly, your insistence that the USA is "not a democracy but instead, a republic" proves your third-rate understanding of government and politics.

You are a troll with little idea of what you are talking about.
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Reply #237 - Oct 28th, 2017 at 8:04pm
 
Panther wrote on Oct 28th, 2017 at 4:50pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Oct 28th, 2017 at 4:00pm:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 28th, 2017 at 3:53pm:
You undermine your own argument by mentioning the antiquated US constitution which weakens their position not strengthens it.


Watching Bobby vs Panther is like watching a fool vs a moron. One is incapable of understanding a basic truth while the other is so enamored with far-right ideology he understands nothing either.



In your dreams boy ...... I have forgotten more about the US Constitution & American History in one short moment, than you could ever hope to learn in a lifetime.  Grin Grin Grin

Your total & absolute ignorance of the US Constitution & American History yourself, is first & foremost the reason you can't realize or comprehend that.  Grin Grin Grin



Hear hear sir Panther,
just as in a village you always have one village idiot -
on this forum we have a similar person -
his name is Longy.


Our High Court blindly followed to the letter, a ridiculous law
instead of putting a modern interpretation on it.
This is why our court is inferior to the SCOTUS.
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Reply #238 - Oct 28th, 2017 at 8:22pm
 
Quote:
American Supreme Court is better ....


Well I am sure that there is something that it is better than ?
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Reply #239 - Oct 28th, 2017 at 8:24pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 28th, 2017 at 8:04pm:
Panther wrote on Oct 28th, 2017 at 4:50pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Oct 28th, 2017 at 4:00pm:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 28th, 2017 at 3:53pm:
You undermine your own argument by mentioning the antiquated US constitution which weakens their position not strengthens it.


Watching Bobby vs Panther is like watching a fool vs a moron. One is incapable of understanding a basic truth while the other is so enamored with far-right ideology he understands nothing either.



In your dreams boy ...... I have forgotten more about the US Constitution & American History in one short moment, than you could ever hope to learn in a lifetime.  Grin Grin Grin

Your total & absolute ignorance of the US Constitution & American History yourself, is first & foremost the reason you can't realize or comprehend that.  Grin Grin Grin



Hear hear sir Panther,
just as in a village you always have one village idiot -
on this forum we have a similar person -
his name is Longy.


Our High Court blindly followed to the letter, a ridiculous law
instead of putting a modern interpretation on it.
This is why our court is inferior to the SCOTUS.


Our high court got it exactly right.

There was no way to put any other interpretation on it. It is a very simple rule that clearly states what it means.
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