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Question: Is the USA Supreme Court better than our High Court?
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Reply #30 - Aug 20th, 2017 at 5:38pm
 
Aussie wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 5:36pm:
That NZ is a foreign power is just part of the deal, Bobby.  There is also whether Joyce took all reasonable steps to renounce, and there are several aspects of that.



Aussie,
all I'm saying is that I now agree with your summation -
Joyce is going to get his arse kicked out.

It's crazy & it means that our High Court is inferior to the American Supreme Court.
The Yanks can change bad laws there - we can't here.
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Reply #31 - Aug 20th, 2017 at 5:39pm
 
Aussie,

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1502772343/15

Re: Joyce renounces NZ Citizenship
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You are correct.  The High Court will have zero regard for the consequences of how they rule on the Law.

They will try to make sense of Section 44 and I reckon that is simple....the Constitution requires that a MP have ONE loyalty....that is, to Australia...and not (even without knowing at a particular time.......that is far too easy to claim.......) have either citizenship or entitlement to citizenship of a foreign power.

I say they must have an honest and reasonable belief that their only entitlement/citizenship was to Australia.

I say that, given Joyce knew his Old Man was a Kiwi, therefore he had a positive obligation to make full enquiry about his position and then deal with it by renunciation.

Putting head in sand/ignoring/blind eye is not good enough.

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Reply #32 - Aug 20th, 2017 at 5:40pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 4:00pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 3:09pm:
Well, as always, you are dead wrong, not only factually but in your opinion.

The Supreme court CANNOT change law and nor can our High court.  But because Americans are republicans or democrats long before they are citizens, the SCOTUS becomes deeply political which is a bad thing. The 2000 election proved that when a poltiical decision was made to put GWB into office and to literally refuse to count the votes.

Why would anyone - even a stupid drongo like bobby - want an unelected, unscrutinised lifetime appointment body like a High Court to be able to make law? 

Brighter people that you long ago worked out that it would be a very bad thing although to be fair, you dont have to be very bright to work that out.



Longy - you're wrong -

before Roe v. Wade, abortion was illegal in many states.




Do you understand the diference between MAKING law and INTERPRETING AND RULING ON LAW???

of course you dont, because you a low-watt bulb.
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Reply #33 - Aug 20th, 2017 at 5:41pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 5:38pm:
Aussie wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 5:36pm:
That NZ is a foreign power is just part of the deal, Bobby.  There is also whether Joyce took all reasonable steps to renounce, and there are several aspects of that.



Aussie,
all I'm saying is that I now agree with your summation -
Joyce is going to get his arse kicked out.

It's crazy & it means that our High Court is inferior to the American Supreme Court.
The Yanks can change bad laws there - we can't here.


you are a stupid, stupid person.
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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."
 
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Reply #34 - Aug 20th, 2017 at 5:48pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 5:41pm:
you are a stupid, stupid person.



So all you have are Ad Hominem attacks?

Try & do better Longy.

It is Sunday - your day of worship & goodwill to all men.
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Reply #35 - Aug 20th, 2017 at 5:53pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 5:48pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 5:41pm:
you are a stupid, stupid person.



So all you have are Ad Hominem attacks?

Try & do better Longy.

It is Sunday - your day of worship & goodwill to all men.


Maybe if you didnt post such stupid drivel like WANTING an unelected all-of-life group making laws that you have no say and no recourse over.  Dictators come to power and remain there because of twits like you who literally want it.
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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."
 
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Reply #36 - Aug 20th, 2017 at 5:56pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 5:53pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 5:48pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 5:41pm:
you are a stupid, stupid person.



So all you have are Ad Hominem attacks?

Try & do better Longy.

It is Sunday - your day of worship & goodwill to all men.


Maybe if you didnt post such stupid drivel like WANTING an unelected all-of-life group making laws that you have no say and no recourse over.  Dictators come to power and remain there because of twits like you who literally want it.



More Ad Hominem attacks.

The Yanky Supreme Court can change stupid laws -
our High Court can't.
Wait until Shorty becomes PM over this & you'll change your tune.
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Reply #37 - Aug 20th, 2017 at 6:05pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 5:56pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 5:53pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 5:48pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 5:41pm:
you are a stupid, stupid person.



So all you have are Ad Hominem attacks?

Try & do better Longy.

It is Sunday - your day of worship & goodwill to all men.


Maybe if you didnt post such stupid drivel like WANTING an unelected all-of-life group making laws that you have no say and no recourse over.  Dictators come to power and remain there because of twits like you who literally want it.



More Ad Hominem attacks.

The Yanky Supreme Court can change stupid laws -
our High Court can't.
Wait until Shorty becomes PM over this & you'll change your tune.


this is why so many people think you are a mental midget retard.  the SCOTUS cannot change law at all and if you had half a brain... oh yeah... there's the problem

idiot
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Reply #38 - Aug 20th, 2017 at 6:11pm
 
Longy - you're wrong -

before Roe v. Wade, abortion was illegal in many states.
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Reply #39 - Aug 20th, 2017 at 6:15pm
 
Just started a new poll.

Is the USA Supreme Court better than our High Court?
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Reply #40 - Aug 20th, 2017 at 6:23pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 6:11pm:
Longy - you're wrong -

before Roe v. Wade, abortion was illegal in many states.


I know you think you are making some kind of powerful argument, but you are not in fact making a point at all. Do you even realise that Roe v Wade was a CONSTITUTIONAL issue and not a legislative one? Do you even know the difference?
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Reply #41 - Aug 20th, 2017 at 6:29pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 6:23pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 6:11pm:
Longy - you're wrong -

before Roe v. Wade, abortion was illegal in many states.


I know you think you are making some kind of powerful argument, but you are not in fact making a point at all. Do you even realise that Roe v Wade was a CONSTITUTIONAL issue and not a legislative one? Do you even know the difference?



My understanding is that abortion was illegal in many states &
the Supreme court made it legal -
it acted to it override state laws.

( and that is only one example )
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Reply #42 - Aug 20th, 2017 at 6:38pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 6:29pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 6:23pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 6:11pm:
Longy - you're wrong -

before Roe v. Wade, abortion was illegal in many states.


I know you think you are making some kind of powerful argument, but you are not in fact making a point at all. Do you even realise that Roe v Wade was a CONSTITUTIONAL issue and not a legislative one? Do you even know the difference?



My understanding is that abortion was illegal in many states &
the Supreme court made it legal -
it acted to it override state laws.

( and that is only one example )


then your understanding is WRONG. VERY WRONG.  The SCOTUS rules on issues of the Constitution and it ruled that laws banning abortion were UNCONSTITUTIONAL.  it did not 'decide' that it liked abortion. it ruled on a matter of constitutional law and ruled that the law banning it was INVALID.

Our own High Court does the exact same thing. It has on several occasions ruled that laws passed by parliament were contrary to the Australian Constitution and were therefore invalid.

the court does NOT 'make law' and no one should want that.
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Reply #43 - Aug 20th, 2017 at 6:52pm
 
Longy,
I don't think you're right.
Show us an Australian example.


https://www.supremecourt.gov/about/constitutional.aspx

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The unique position of the Supreme Court stems, in large part, from the deep commitment of the American people to the Rule of Law and to constitutional government. The United States has demonstrated an unprecedented determination to preserve and protect its written Constitution, thereby providing the American "experiment in democracy" with the oldest written Constitution still in force.

The Constitution of the United States is a carefully balanced document. It is designed to provide for a national government sufficiently strong and flexible to meet the needs of the republic, yet sufficiently limited and just to protect the guaranteed rights of citizens; it permits a balance between society’s need for order and the individual’s right to freedom. To assure these ends, the Framers of the Constitution created three independent and coequal branches of government. That this Constitution has provided continuous democratic government through the periodic stresses of more than two centuries illustrates the genius of the American system of government.

The complex role of the Supreme Court in this system derives from its authority to invalidate legislation or executive actions which, in the Court’s considered judgment, conflict with the Constitution. This power of "judicial review" has given the Court a crucial responsibility in assuring individual rights, as well as in maintaining a "living Constitution" whose broad provisions are continually applied to complicated new situations.
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Reply #44 - Aug 20th, 2017 at 6:56pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 6:29pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 6:23pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 6:11pm:
Longy - you're wrong -

before Roe v. Wade, abortion was illegal in many states.


I know you think you are making some kind of powerful argument, but you are not in fact making a point at all. Do you even realise that Roe v Wade was a CONSTITUTIONAL issue and not a legislative one? Do you even know the difference?



My understanding is that abortion was illegal in many states &
the Supreme court made it legal -
it acted to it override state laws.

( and that is only one example )


I can't see what LW58 usually posts, that is unless someone quotes him. I'm still waiting for that to be fixed by my friend....might have to light a fire on that.....but I can see LW's post because you quoted him....not your fault though.

Bobby.... I really hate this more than you could ever realize. but I have to be truthful, & give credit where due regarding this matter.....

LW58 is correct in this matter.....

The US Supreme Court did not change, I repeat, did not change any law in their Roe v. Wade decision, they just interpreted the Constitution (the American Law of the Land....on which all lower laws must be based) that Women have the   'Right to Choose'   an abortion as a matter of privacy based on the 14th Amendment's 'due process' provisions.

Personally, I think Abortion is Murder, & pray for the day this decision is revisited & reversed by another Supreme Court, made up of justices with deeper right wing convictions.

LW58 is rarely correct, but in this ever so rare case, he is spot on.   Angry Angry Angry Lips Sealed

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