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Reply #45 - Aug 20^th, 2017 at 7:02pm

Panther wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 6:56pm:

I can't see what LW58 usually posts, that is unless someone quotes him. I'm still waiting for that to also be ignored....might have to light a fire on that.....but I can see LW's post because you quoted him....not your fault.

Bobby.... I really hate this more than you could ever realize. but I have to be truthful, & give credit where due regarding this matter.....

LW58 is correct in this matter.....

The US Supreme Court did not change, I repeat, did not change any law in their Roe v. Wade decision, they just interpreted the Constitution (the American Law of the Land....on which all lower laws must be based) that Women have the 'Right to Choose' an abortion as a matter of privacy based on the 14th Amendment's 'due process' provisions.

Personally, I think Abortion is Murder, & pray for the day this decision is revisited & reversed.

LW58 is rarely correct, but in this ever so rare case, he is spot on.

Yes Longy might be right:

http://www.peo.gov.au/learning/closer-look/the-australian-constitution/the-const...

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The High Court can invalidate any legislation or parts of legislation that it finds to be unconstitutional.

However - what about Barnaby Joyce?

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Reply #46 - Aug 20^th, 2017 at 7:33pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 7:02pm:

Panther wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 6:56pm:

I can't see what LW58 usually posts, that is unless someone quotes him. I'm still waiting for that to be fixed by my friend....might have to light a fire on that.....but I can see LW's post because you quoted him....not your fault though.

Bobby.... I really hate this more than you could ever realize. but I have to be truthful, & give credit where due regarding this matter.....

LW58 is correct in this matter.....

The US Supreme Court did not change, I repeat, did not change any law in their Roe v. Wade decision, they just interpreted the Constitution (the American Law of the Land....on which all lower laws must be based) that Women have the 'Right to Choose' an abortion as a matter of privacy based on the 14th Amendment's 'due process' provisions.

Personally, I think Abortion is Murder, & pray for the day this decision is revisited & reversed by another Supreme Court, made up of justices with deeper right wing convictions.

LW58 is rarely correct, but in this ever so rare case, he is spot on.

Yes Longy might be right:

http://www.peo.gov.au/learning/closer-look/the-australian-constitution/the-const...

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The High Court can invalidate any legislation or parts of legislation that it finds to be unconstitutional.

However - what about Barnaby Joyce?

He will survive ONLY if the High Court rules that the "spirit of the law"......it's "original intent" was not to criminalize the conditions related to him. It was meant to thwart corruption from other governments, not a totally innocent Australian Citizen who becomes a citizen of another country because of the birth of another....based on a foreign law he was totally unaware of, & least of all, that it might pertain to him, an full blooded Australian by birth.

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Reply #47 - Aug 20^th, 2017 at 7:55pm

Panther wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 7:33pm:

He will survive ONLY if the High Court rules that the "spirit of the law"......it's "original intent" was not to criminalize the conditions related to him. It was meant to thwart corruption from other governments, not a totally innocent Australian Citizen who becomes a citizen of another country because of the birth of another....based on a foreign law he was totally unaware of, & least of all, that it might pertain to him, an full blooded Australian by birth.

The last time the High Court made a ruling would not have been favorable to Barnaby:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sue_v_Hill

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Sue v Hill was an Australian court case decided in the High Court of Australia on 23 June 1999. It concerned a dispute over the apparent return of a candidate, Heather Hill, to the Australian Senate in the 1998 federal election. The result was challenged on the basis that Hill was a dual citizen of the United Kingdom and Australia, and that section 44(i) of the Constitution of Australia prevents any person who is the citizen of a "foreign power" from being elected to the Parliament of Australia. The High Court found that, at least for the purposes of section 44(i), the United Kingdom is a foreign power to Australia.

The High court ruled that Senator-elect Hill had not been duly elected to the national parliament because at the time of her election she was a subject or citizen of a foreign power.[1]

Five judgments were delivered, with Chief Justice Gleeson and Justices Gummow and Hayne writing a joint judgment, and Justices Gaudron, McHugh, Kirby and Callinan writing individual judgments.[1]

Therefore the High Court did not change the law &
found against Senator Hill.

This is my point & why Longy is wrong.

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Reply #48 - Aug 20^th, 2017 at 8:01pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 5:38pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 5:36pm:

That NZ is a foreign power is just part of the deal, Bobby. There is also whether Joyce took all reasonable steps to renounce, and there are several aspects of that.

Aussie,
all I'm saying is that I now agree with your summation -
Joyce is going to get his arse kicked out.

It's crazy & it means that our High Court is inferior to the American Supreme Court.
The Yanks can change bad laws there - we can't here.

Why is it crazy it is only the same as applied to everyone else. I would think it would be crazy if an exception was made for one politician because of the party he belongs to.

We have had 2 previous disqualifications this year that were exactly the same, they both had the integrity to resign as had all before them.

They all resign because there is zero ambiguity in the rule and no scope for excuses.

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Reply #49 - Aug 20^th, 2017 at 8:05pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 7:55pm:

Panther wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 7:33pm:

He will survive ONLY if the High Court rules that the "spirit of the law"......it's "original intent" was not to criminalize the conditions related to him. It was meant to thwart corruption from other governments, not a totally innocent Australian Citizen who becomes a citizen of another country because of the birth of another....based on a foreign law he was totally unaware of, & least of all, that it might pertain to him, an full blooded Australian by birth.

The last time the High Court made a ruling would not have been favorable to Barnaby:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sue_v_Hill

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Sue v Hill was an Australian court case decided in the High Court of Australia on 23 June 1999. It concerned a dispute over the apparent return of a candidate, Heather Hill, to the Australian Senate in the 1998 federal election. The result was challenged on the basis that Hill was a dual citizen of the United Kingdom and Australia, and that section 44(i) of the Constitution of Australia prevents any person who is the citizen of a "foreign power" from being elected to the Parliament of Australia. The High Court found that, at least for the purposes of section 44(i), the United Kingdom is a foreign power to Australia.

The High court ruled that Senator-elect Hill had not been duly elected to the national parliament because at the time of her election she was a subject or citizen of a foreign power.[1]

Five judgments were delivered, with Chief Justice Gleeson and Justices Gummow and Hayne writing a joint judgment, and Justices Gaudron, McHugh, Kirby and Callinan writing individual judgments.[1]

Therefore the High Court did not change the law &
found against Senator Hill.

This is my point & why Longy is wrong.

Have you ever read those decisions, & the judges individual writings of that judgment/the reasons they decided the way they did?

That would shed light on their mindset.

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Reply #50 - Aug 20^th, 2017 at 8:08pm

Dnarever wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 8:01pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 5:38pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 5:36pm:

That NZ is a foreign power is just part of the deal, Bobby. There is also whether Joyce took all reasonable steps to renounce, and there are several aspects of that.

Aussie,
all I'm saying is that I now agree with your summation -
Joyce is going to get his arse kicked out.

It's crazy & it means that our High Court is inferior to the American Supreme Court.
The Yanks can change bad laws there - we can't here.

Why is it crazy it is only the same as applied to everyone else. I would think it would be crazy if an exception was made for one politician because of the party he belongs to.

We have had 2 previous disqualifications this year that were exactly the same, they both had the integrity to resign as had all before them.

They all resign because there is zero ambiguity in the rule and no scope for excuses.

But Barnaby could lose his job & Australia be plunged into a political crisis all
because of a law that hardly anyone knew about in NZ.

It's absurd.
What if Russia decided tomorrow that all Australian politicians were automatically citizens of Russia?
Could they destroy our Govt.?

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Reply #52 - Aug 20^th, 2017 at 9:13pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 8:08pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 8:01pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 5:38pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 5:36pm:

That NZ is a foreign power is just part of the deal, Bobby. There is also whether Joyce took all reasonable steps to renounce, and there are several aspects of that.

Aussie,
all I'm saying is that I now agree with your summation -
Joyce is going to get his arse kicked out.

It's crazy & it means that our High Court is inferior to the American Supreme Court.
The Yanks can change bad laws there - we can't here.

Why is it crazy it is only the same as applied to everyone else. I would think it would be crazy if an exception was made for one politician because of the party he belongs to.

We have had 2 previous disqualifications this year that were exactly the same, they both had the integrity to resign as had all before them.

They all resign because there is zero ambiguity in the rule and no scope for excuses.

But Barnaby could lose his job & Australia be plunged into a political crisis all
because of a law that hardly anyone knew about in NZ.

It's absurd.
What if Russia decided tomorrow that all Australian politicians were automatically citizens of Russia?
Could they destroy our Govt.?

But Barnaby could lose his job

Barnaby never legally held his job and you would think that virtually every NZ'er would be aware of their citizenship requirements. Baaaarnaby's dad would have known that his son was a K1. Barnaby is a dill for not knowing if it is true.

Besides we have already had people lose their job this year under the same rule in the same position. In terms of the political repercussions - it is what it is. This may not be a bad thing. If they wanted they could probably put the next name on the list in place before the next sitting. If they wait it is more likely to cause a political crisis.

Whatever happens it is their own fault and remember both Baaarnaby and Turnbull went hard line on the Greens who were in this position. They were not going to cop any rubbish from people who were not legitimately elected back then. Turnbull labelled the whole greens party incompetent for letting it happen.

Guess he already knew that the coalition were all incompetent.

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Reply #53 - Aug 20^th, 2017 at 9:48pm

Dnarever wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 9:13pm:

But Barnaby could lose his job

Barnaby never legally held his job and you would think that virtually every NZ'er would be aware of their citizenship requirements. Baaaarnaby's dad would have known that his son was a K1. Barnaby is a dill for not knowing if it is true.

Besides we have already had people lose their job this year under the same rule in the same position. In terms of the political repercussions - it is what it is. This may not be a bad thing. If they wanted they could probably put the next name on the list in place before the next sitting. If they wait it is more likely to cause a political crisis.

Whatever happens it is their own fault and remember both Baaarnaby and Turnbull went hard line on the Greens who were in this position. They were not going to cop any rubbish from people who were not legitimately elected back then. Turnbull labelled the whole greens party incompetent for letting it happen.

Guess he already knew that the coalition were all incompetent.

I spoke to many New Zealanders.
Not one of them knew about that obscure NZ law.

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Reply #54 - Aug 20^th, 2017 at 10:26pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 9:48pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 9:13pm:

But Barnaby could lose his job

Barnaby never legally held his job and you would think that virtually every NZ'er would be aware of their citizenship requirements. Baaaarnaby's dad would have known that his son was a K1. Barnaby is a dill for not knowing if it is true.

Besides we have already had people lose their job this year under the same rule in the same position. In terms of the political repercussions - it is what it is. This may not be a bad thing. If they wanted they could probably put the next name on the list in place before the next sitting. If they wait it is more likely to cause a political crisis.

Whatever happens it is their own fault and remember both Baaarnaby and Turnbull went hard line on the Greens who were in this position. They were not going to cop any rubbish from people who were not legitimately elected back then. Turnbull labelled the whole greens party incompetent for letting it happen.

Guess he already knew that the coalition were all incompetent.

I spoke to many New Zealanders.
Not one of them knew about that obscure NZ law.

yes, but to be fair, you probably need to leave your primary school friends alone and ask their parents instead

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Reply #55 - Aug 20^th, 2017 at 10:40pm

Panther wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 7:33pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 7:02pm:

Panther wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 6:56pm:

I can't see what LW58 usually posts, that is unless someone quotes him. I'm still waiting for that to be fixed by my friend....might have to light a fire on that.....but I can see LW's post because you quoted him....not your fault though.

Bobby.... I really hate this more than you could ever realize. but I have to be truthful, & give credit where due regarding this matter.....

LW58 is correct in this matter.....

The US Supreme Court did not change, I repeat, did not change any law in their Roe v. Wade decision, they just interpreted the Constitution (the American Law of the Land....on which all lower laws must be based) that Women have the 'Right to Choose' an abortion as a matter of privacy based on the 14th Amendment's 'due process' provisions.

Personally, I think Abortion is Murder, & pray for the day this decision is revisited & reversed by another Supreme Court, made up of justices with deeper right wing convictions.

LW58 is rarely correct, but in this ever so rare case, he is spot on.

Yes Longy might be right:

http://www.peo.gov.au/learning/closer-look/the-australian-constitution/the-const...

Quote:

The High Court can invalidate any legislation or parts of legislation that it finds to be unconstitutional.

However - what about Barnaby Joyce?

He will survive ONLY if the High Court rules that the "spirit of the law"......it's "original intent" was not to criminalize the conditions related to him. It was meant to thwart corruption from other governments, not a totally innocent Australian Citizen who becomes a citizen of another country because of the birth of another....based on a foreign law he was totally unaware of, & least of all, that it might pertain to him, an full blooded Australian by birth.

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that it might pertain to him, an full blooded Australian by birth.

His father is a Kiwi he was fully aware that he is not a full blooded Australian by birth, His father would have also been aware that his child is a full citizen of NZ.

This has never been an acceptable excuse before including the 2 other cases the same this year.

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Reply #56 - Aug 20^th, 2017 at 10:52pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 9:48pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 9:13pm:

But Barnaby could lose his job

Barnaby never legally held his job and you would think that virtually every NZ'er would be aware of their citizenship requirements. Baaaarnaby's dad would have known that his son was a K1. Barnaby is a dill for not knowing if it is true.

Besides we have already had people lose their job this year under the same rule in the same position. In terms of the political repercussions - it is what it is. This may not be a bad thing. If they wanted they could probably put the next name on the list in place before the next sitting. If they wait it is more likely to cause a political crisis.

Whatever happens it is their own fault and remember both Baaarnaby and Turnbull went hard line on the Greens who were in this position. They were not going to cop any rubbish from people who were not legitimately elected back then. Turnbull labelled the whole greens party incompetent for letting it happen.

Guess he already knew that the coalition were all incompetent.

I spoke to many New Zealanders.
Not one of them knew about that obscure NZ law.

What that the children of New Zealder's are New Zealander's ? Unbelievable or a bunch of Dumb K1's.

By the way you do know that a New Zealander born in NZ with an Australian parent could claim Australian citizenship and is thus in the same position over there.

OH yeah and the USA have the same Law as NZ as well, it is very common.

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Reply #57 - Aug 20^th, 2017 at 11:04pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 9:48pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 9:13pm:

But Barnaby could lose his job

Barnaby never legally held his job and you would think that virtually every NZ'er would be aware of their citizenship requirements. Baaaarnaby's dad would have known that his son was a K1. Barnaby is a dill for not knowing if it is true.

Besides we have already had people lose their job this year under the same rule in the same position. In terms of the political repercussions - it is what it is. This may not be a bad thing. If they wanted they could probably put the next name on the list in place before the next sitting. If they wait it is more likely to cause a political crisis.

Whatever happens it is their own fault and remember both Baaarnaby and Turnbull went hard line on the Greens who were in this position. They were not going to cop any rubbish from people who were not legitimately elected back then. Turnbull labelled the whole greens party incompetent for letting it happen.

Guess he already knew that the coalition were all incompetent.

I spoke to many New Zealanders.
Not one of them knew about that obscure NZ law.

Almost every country including Australia have a similar obscure law that most of us know about.

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Reply #58 - Aug 21^st, 2017 at 6:44am

Dnarever wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 11:04pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 9:48pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 9:13pm:

But Barnaby could lose his job

Barnaby never legally held his job and you would think that virtually every NZ'er would be aware of their citizenship requirements. Baaaarnaby's dad would have known that his son was a K1. Barnaby is a dill for not knowing if it is true.

Besides we have already had people lose their job this year under the same rule in the same position. In terms of the political repercussions - it is what it is. This may not be a bad thing. If they wanted they could probably put the next name on the list in place before the next sitting. If they wait it is more likely to cause a political crisis.

Whatever happens it is their own fault and remember both Baaarnaby and Turnbull went hard line on the Greens who were in this position. They were not going to cop any rubbish from people who were not legitimately elected back then. Turnbull labelled the whole greens party incompetent for letting it happen.

Guess he already knew that the coalition were all incompetent.

I spoke to many New Zealanders.
Not one of them knew about that obscure NZ law.

Almost every country including Australia have a similar obscure law that most of us know about.

Only Barnaby's father was born in New Zealand.
Barnaby was born in Australia -
he's a dinky die ridgy didge true blue fair dinkum Aussie.

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Reply #59 - Aug 21^st, 2017 at 7:15am

Bobby. wrote on Aug 21^st, 2017 at 6:44am:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 11:04pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 9:48pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 9:13pm:

But Barnaby could lose his job

Barnaby never legally held his job and you would think that virtually every NZ'er would be aware of their citizenship requirements. Baaaarnaby's dad would have known that his son was a K1. Barnaby is a dill for not knowing if it is true.

Besides we have already had people lose their job this year under the same rule in the same position. In terms of the political repercussions - it is what it is. This may not be a bad thing. If they wanted they could probably put the next name on the list in place before the next sitting. If they wait it is more likely to cause a political crisis.

Whatever happens it is their own fault and remember both Baaarnaby and Turnbull went hard line on the Greens who were in this position. They were not going to cop any rubbish from people who were not legitimately elected back then. Turnbull labelled the whole greens party incompetent for letting it happen.

Guess he already knew that the coalition were all incompetent.

I spoke to many New Zealanders.
Not one of them knew about that obscure NZ law.

Almost every country including Australia have a similar obscure law that most of us know about.

Only Barnaby's father was born in New Zealand.
Barnaby was born in Australia -
he's a dinky die ridgy didge true blue fair dinkum Aussie.

he's a dinky die ridgy didge true blue fair dinkum Aussie

- who happens to be a citizen of NZ.

By the way So were all the others who had to resign, you think they should be recalled ????

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