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Re: Is it wrong to criticise Nazis?
Reply #135 - Aug 25^th, 2017 at 12:27pm

John Smith wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 2:21pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 11:53am:

No you haven't John. I see a total of one accusation so far from you that I have misrepresented you, but when asked what I said that was misrepresenting or why it is misleading, you turn into a jellyfish.

You're a liar.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1503408162/15

John Smith wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 1:21pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 10:41am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 10:25am:

freediver wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 10:22am:

How have I misrepresented you John?

Queue the jellyfish.

I've asked you multiple times to put up the rest of that conversation FD. Why do you run away from it? Are you worried your bullsh1t won't stand up to scrutiny?

No you haven't John.

How have I misrepresented you John?

And what sound does a jellyfish make?

bullshit

John Smith wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 8:51pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 8:46pm:

Is this misrepresenting you John?

why didn't you put up the rest of that conversation FD? the original version?

This is the third thread you've dragged this conversation to ... are you trying to get some distance between the conversation and your twist on it?
Cheesy

and again

John Smith wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 9:12pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 9:00pm:

You have not answered once John.

The dance of the apologist continues....

I've answered several times FD.
Why don't you put up the rest of that conversation if you're so sure I haven't answered? In it's entirety.

but wait, there's more

John Smith wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 9:25pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 9:20pm:

Because you have spent several pages running away from the question John

I did no such thing. I spent several pages explaining to you that it had already been answered. I even copy pasted the answers for you on three different occasions. Fkked if I'm going to do it again. You want them , you fetch.

I notice you're hesitant to put up the rest of the conversation we had FD. Why is that? why did you feel the need to start a third thread on the same crap? Cheesy

hold on, we're not done yet folks

John Smith wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 9:25pm:

still pretending ehh FD. Where's the rest of that conversation? Ar eyou worried you'll look an even bigger fool if you put it up? Grin

so I asked you to show the rest of the conversation on at least 4 seperate occassions, and that's without my going back to the original thread FD, and you're still pretending I never asked. Grin

tell me FD, is it that you are partially blind and honestly don't see my replies? or is it simply that you're a lying dishonest jellyfish?

keep pretending FD.

Whoa there John, technically you are asking FD why he didn't post it - not actually asking him to post it...

well... I actually wouldn't put it past FD to literally use this argument in his defence, such is the absurd level of pedantry he has reached here...

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74257 Gender:	Re: Is it wrong to criticise Nazis? Reply #136 - Aug 25^th, 2017 at 12:30pm then technically, he is an idiot.
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capitosinora Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2204 USA Florida Gender:	Re: Is it wrong to criticise Nazis? Reply #137 - Aug 25^th, 2017 at 2:19pm John Smith wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 12:30pm: then technically, he is an idiot.
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capitosinora Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2204 USA Florida Gender:	Re: Is it wrong to criticise Nazis? Reply #138 - Aug 25^th, 2017 at 2:24pm Real Holocaust survivors speak.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74257 Gender:	Re: Is it wrong to criticise Nazis? Reply #139 - Aug 25^th, 2017 at 3:12pm capitosinora wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 2:19pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 12:30pm: then technically, he is an idiot. FD is a huge supporter of free speech.
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Re: Is it wrong to criticise Nazis?
Reply #140 - Aug 25^th, 2017 at 3:15pm

It is wrong to criticise people AS NAZIs for holding a view or having a grievance with which you do not agree..... if that standard were applied, the world is overflowing with NAZIs of all stripes...

I don't necessarily agree with SSM (etc) - but I don't run around labeling the gays who support that 'supremacist' or 'NAZI' or (???) 'racist' ..... fair's fair...

Open discussion works better every time.... rather than childish confrontation...

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Re: Is it wrong to criticise Nazis?
Reply #141 - Aug 25^th, 2017 at 3:16pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 3:15pm:

It is wrong to criticise people AS NAZIs for holding a view or having a grievance with which you do not agree..... if that standard were applied, the world is overflowing with NAZIs of all stripes...

FD wants you to criticise people for what they think, not what they do or say.

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Re: Is it wrong to criticise Nazis?
Reply #142 - Aug 25^th, 2017 at 3:21pm

John Smith wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 3:16pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 3:15pm:

It is wrong to criticise people AS NAZIs for holding a view or having a grievance with which you do not agree..... if that standard were applied, the world is overflowing with NAZIs of all stripes...

FD wants you to criticise people for what they think, not what they do or say.

It seems to me he is saying that this position, of criticising people for what they think, crosses all boundaries, and is not just the exclusive domain of those labeled as 'NAZIs' or 'racists' or whatever, regardless of how the current 'left' or whatever seek to re-define words to suit their 'causes'.

Seems a fair point to me....... if FD were against free speech, as the Fuhrer of Ozpol, he could ban people for disagreeing with him - he demonstrably does not...

It's a lot like the dopey 'feminist' women who crowed that since men had been oppressing women for so long, it was only right that men be subjected to policies of exclusion in - say - the public service etc....

Such nonsense is just childish tit for tat.... and leads to open warfare some day.

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Reply #143 - Aug 25^th, 2017 at 3:24pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 3:15pm:

It is wrong to criticise people AS NAZIs for holding a view or having a grievance with which you do not agree..... if that standard were applied, the world is overflowing with NAZIs of all stripes...

I don't necessarily agree with SSM (etc) - but I don't run around labeling the gays who support that 'supremacist' or 'NAZI' or (???) 'racist' ..... fair's fair...

Open discussion works better every time.... rather than childish confrontation...

And yet absolutely nobody is doing that.

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Re: Is it wrong to criticise Nazis?
Reply #144 - Aug 25^th, 2017 at 3:43pm

mothra wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 3:24pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 3:15pm:

It is wrong to criticise people AS NAZIs for holding a view or having a grievance with which you do not agree..... if that standard were applied, the world is overflowing with NAZIs of all stripes...

I don't necessarily agree with SSM (etc) - but I don't run around labeling the gays who support that 'supremacist' or 'NAZI' or (???) 'racist' ..... fair's fair...

Open discussion works better every time.... rather than childish confrontation...

And yet absolutely nobody is doing that.

These terms ''white supremacy" etc just came out of nowhere? None of these 'antifa' personages uttered them? The media isn't daily screeching these terms as if they are real definitions of those involved?

None so blind as they who will not see.

Please verify with links etc... thus far in these 'discussions' of 'white supremacy' etc, I have yet to see one single thing that indicates that those involved were pursing 'white supremacy'..... it seems to me that they were primarily protesting about some very stupid decision of a local council that over-stepped its rights and authorities, in seeking to degrade the value of history and of historical characters......

Is stating that 'white lives matter' any different from stating 'black lives matter'?

I can't see any 'white supremacy' in that.. let alone 'neo-NAZIsm or 'racism' - which are the words being bandied about.

At what point will these self-proclaimed 'freedom fighters' see that permitting a council to do such things will also apply to them and their own values.... I can envisage nothing more stupid than in-fighting while the Sheriff of Nottingham runs off to the bank....

The real enemy of all is overbearing government, which historically has been THE most destructive influence on this planet.

So - in that context - which are the 'freedom fighters' and which the 'oppressors' here?

I know how hard it is to answer simple questions with a little fact and fair reasoning - and how much easier it is to suggest that anyone who disagrees is 'delusional' etc - but do try.

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Re: Is it wrong to criticise Nazis?
Reply #145 - Aug 25^th, 2017 at 3:53pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 3:21pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 3:16pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 3:15pm:

It is wrong to criticise people AS NAZIs for holding a view or having a grievance with which you do not agree..... if that standard were applied, the world is overflowing with NAZIs of all stripes...

FD wants you to criticise people for what they think, not what they do or say.

It seems to me he is saying that this position, of criticising people for what they think, crosses all boundaries, and is not just the exclusive domain of those labeled as 'NAZIs' or 'racists' or whatever, regardless of how the current 'left' or whatever seek to re-define words to suit their 'causes'.

Seems a fair point to me....... if FD were against free speech, as the Fuhrer of Ozpol, he could ban people for disagreeing with him - he demonstrably does not...

It's a lot like the dopey 'feminist' women who crowed that since men had been oppressing women for so long, it was only right that men be subjected to policies of exclusion in - say - the public service etc....

Such nonsense is just childish tit for tat.... and leads to open warfare some day.

no one said it was limited to Nazi's Grap ... it never is with FD. It's always about muslims.

and no one said FD was against free speech Wink

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Re: Is it wrong to criticise Nazis?
Reply #147 - Aug 25^th, 2017 at 5:03pm

While the sentiment may bear relation to a NAZI three-liner - its relevance is in the cost of the War of Independence, the Civil War, and the 'holy' adherence to the land fought over as something sacred... the blood spilled to preserve a way of life...

A Kaffir-lover should understand that..... this adherence to the lend..... that goes without question.... and honouring the blood spilt to preserve 'freedom' in its many guises and a way of life also goes without question.

Why is it sacred for a Kaffir to have an attachment to the land, but no whitey can?

Captain Cook didn't so much as discover Australia as ram it...

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Re: Is it wrong to criticise Nazis?
Reply #149 - Aug 25^th, 2017 at 7:30pm

capitosinora wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 7:27pm:

Nazis in Germany were good citizens.
My grandfather was a Nazi and he was very nice to Askhenazis and other Jews.

The majority of nazis were good people who intergrated and were contributing to the country.

See how stoopid that sounds

Now put muzzo where the word nazi is and you have the exact same situation.

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