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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95302 Gender:	Re: Is it wrong to criticise Nazis? Reply #225 - Aug 27^th, 2017 at 3:24pm freediver wrote on Aug 27^th, 2017 at 3:20pm: Don't turn into a jellyfish now. You have not given a straight answer once. You haven't provided any answer at all. Does this meet your definition of jellyfish?
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Re: Is it wrong to criticise Nazis?
Reply #226 - Aug 27^th, 2017 at 3:29pm

freediver wrote on Aug 27^th, 2017 at 3:20pm:

Is this the quote John?

John Smith wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 12:21pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 12:17pm:

So we should refrain from criticising Nazis until they actually do something wrong, or openly reveal their hate?

a rather simplified comment but pretty much spot on, yes.

How is that a lie?

Don't turn into a jellyfish now. You have not given a straight answer once.

I don't think its possible to know someone is a nazi until they "openly reveal their hate" - and yes that includes the very act of admitting they are a nazi. Mothra made this very point long back, but its unsurprisingly been drowned out.

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Re: Is it wrong to criticise Nazis?
Reply #227 - Aug 27^th, 2017 at 3:29pm

freediver wrote on Aug 27^th, 2017 at 3:24pm:

No John. You literally are afraid to give a straight answer. Yet still compelled to post excuses for some reason. Don't be a jellyfish John. How is it a lie?

then you really are dense.

How can you claim I haven't explained why you lied?

did you miss this

John Smith wrote on Aug 27^th, 2017 at 2:56pm:

I quote part of the posts to deal with that part of the posts when I feel that it is relevant. Like now ... I do not take out a small part of what you said and spread it all around a half a dozen threads so as to misrepresent what you said. I deal with it where the rest of your post is obvious for all and sundry to see so they can form their own opinion on what you said.

or this

John Smith wrote on Aug 27^th, 2017 at 12:03pm:

Lying by omission, otherwise known as exclusionary detailing, is lying by either omitting certain facts or by failing to correct a misconception
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Lying_by_omission

you claimed it was my answer when it was in fact only part of my answer. You knew that but you also knew that if you had put up my whole answer you wouldn't have been able to continue with your argument

anything else you'd like to know FD?

go on, ask me how you've lied again?

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95302 Gender:	Re: Is it wrong to criticise Nazis? Reply #228 - Aug 27^th, 2017 at 3:30pm freediver wrote on Aug 27^th, 2017 at 3:24pm: No John. You literally are afraid to give a straight answer. Yes, that's what I though. Have you ever tried to feel the fear and do it anyway?
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Re: Is it wrong to criticise Nazis?
Reply #229 - Aug 27^th, 2017 at 3:33pm

John Smith wrote on Aug 27^th, 2017 at 3:29pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 27^th, 2017 at 3:24pm:

No John. You literally are afraid to give a straight answer. Yet still compelled to post excuses for some reason. Don't be a jellyfish John. How is it a lie?

then you really are dense.

How can you claim I haven't explained why you lied?

did you miss this

John Smith wrote on Aug 27^th, 2017 at 2:56pm:

I quote part of the posts to deal with that part of the posts when I feel that it is relevant. Like now ... I do not take out a small part of what you said and spread it all around a half a dozen threads so as to misrepresent what you said. I deal with it where the rest of your post is obvious for all and sundry to see so they can form their own opinion on what you said.

or this

John Smith wrote on Aug 27^th, 2017 at 12:03pm:

Lying by omission, otherwise known as exclusionary detailing, is lying by either omitting certain facts or by failing to correct a misconception
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Lying_by_omission

you claimed it was my answer when it was in fact only part of my answer. You knew that but you also knew that if you had put up my whole answer you wouldn't have been able to continue with your argument

anything else you'd like to know FD?

go on, ask me how you've lied again?

Exactly. Now if you do give straight answers but are a spineless jellyfish, and FD doesn't give any answers at all, what does that make FD by his own definition?

I'm curious.

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Re: Is it wrong to criticise Nazis?
Reply #230 - Aug 27^th, 2017 at 3:43pm

Yes John, I responded directly to that at the time. You still haven't explained why it is a lie.

freediver wrote on Aug 27^th, 2017 at 3:20pm:

Is this the quote John?

John Smith wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 12:21pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 12:17pm:

So we should refrain from criticising Nazis until they actually do something wrong, or openly reveal their hate?

a rather simplified comment but pretty much spot on, yes.

How is that a lie?

Don't turn into a jellyfish now. You have not given a straight answer once.

Would you like to try giving a straight answer John?

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Re: Is it wrong to criticise Nazis?
Reply #231 - Aug 27^th, 2017 at 3:45pm

freediver wrote on Aug 27^th, 2017 at 3:43pm:

ou still haven't explained why it is a lie.

John Smith wrote on Aug 27^th, 2017 at 3:29pm:

I quote part of the posts to deal with that part of the posts when I feel that it is relevant. Like now ... I do not take out a small part of what you said and spread it all around a half a dozen threads so as to misrepresent what you said. I deal with it where the rest of your post is obvious for all and sundry to see so they can form their own opinion on what you said.

John Smith wrote on Aug 27^th, 2017 at 3:29pm:

Lying by omission, otherwise known as exclusionary detailing, is lying by either omitting certain facts or by failing to correct a misconception
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Lying_by_omission

you claimed it was my answer when it was in fact only part of my answer. You knew that but you also knew that if you had put up my whole answer you wouldn't have been able to continue with your argument

anything else you'd like to know FD?

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Re: Is it wrong to criticise Nazis?
Reply #232 - Aug 27^th, 2017 at 3:48pm

And here is my response John:

freediver wrote on Aug 27^th, 2017 at 2:06pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 27^th, 2017 at 12:03pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 27^th, 2017 at 11:55am:

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you lied by omitting part of my answer FD

How is that a lie John?

Lying by omission, otherwise known as exclusionary detailing, is lying by either omitting certain facts or by failing to correct a misconception
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Lying_by_omission

you claimed it was my answer when it was in fact only part of my answer. You knew that but you also knew that if you had put up my whole answer you wouldn't have been able to continue with your argument

anything else you'd like to know FD?

I accused you of backpedaling in the very same post. I accused you of saying you agree with me, then pretending I said something completely different. I accused you of turning into a jellyfish and not being able to give a straight answer ever since. I accused you of whining like a bitch about me not posting the entire discussion, while you were afraid to do so yourself. Is that the argument you think I am unable to make John? Is that a fair assessment?

You quote parts of my post all the time John. Everyone does it. I don't accuse you of lying over it, then turn into a jellyfish when you ask how it is a lie, because that would be stupid.

How is it a lie John?

is a straight answer too much to ask John? How is it a lie? How does it misrepresent you?

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74257 Gender:	Re: Is it wrong to criticise Nazis? Reply #233 - Aug 27^th, 2017 at 3:51pm freediver wrote on Aug 27^th, 2017 at 3:48pm: How does it misrepresent you? you selected one breif part of my statement without the preceding or following text so as to make it appear that I said something i didn't. Is that clear enough for you FD or do you think i need to repeat it another dozen times?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48834 At my desk.	Re: Is it wrong to criticise Nazis? Reply #234 - Aug 27^th, 2017 at 3:52pm No John. You are still afraid to give a straight answer. You are still doing that jellyfish impersonation. How did I make it appear that you said something you didn't? How did the meaning change?
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74257 Gender:	Re: Is it wrong to criticise Nazis? Reply #235 - Aug 27^th, 2017 at 3:57pm freediver wrote on Aug 27^th, 2017 at 3:52pm: No John. You are still afraid to give a straight answer. You are still doing that jellyfish impersonation. How did I make it appear that you said something you didn't? How did the meaning change? You still think asking repeatedly is going to help you here?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48834 At my desk.	Re: Is it wrong to criticise Nazis? Reply #236 - Aug 27^th, 2017 at 3:58pm Why are you afraid to answer John?
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74257 Gender:	Re: Is it wrong to criticise Nazis? Reply #237 - Aug 27^th, 2017 at 4:01pm freediver wrote on Aug 27^th, 2017 at 3:58pm: Why are you afraid to answer John? answer was given last week FD. Keep pretending
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Re: Is it wrong to criticise Nazis?
Reply #238 - Aug 27^th, 2017 at 5:22pm

capitosinora wrote on Aug 27^th, 2017 at 11:45am:

Auggie wrote on Aug 27^th, 2017 at 11:15am:

capitosinora wrote on Aug 26^th, 2017 at 8:29pm:

Auggie wrote on Aug 26^th, 2017 at 2:53pm:

Valkie wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 7:30pm:

capitosinora wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 7:27pm:

Nazis in Germany were good citizens.
My grandfather was a Nazi and he was very nice to Askhenazis and other Jews.

The majority of nazis were good people who intergrated and were contributing to the country.

See how stoopid that sounds

Now put muzzo where the word nazi is and you have the exact same situation.

You're grandpa was a Nazi?

THat explains everything

But I've never been Nazi.
And what's wrong being Nazi.
Better being Nazi than British because Nazis killed less people than British did.

The Americans have killed more people than the nazis, does that make the Americans worse than the Nazis?

They are inocent because they didn't kill Jews (Ashkenazis)

Neither did the British.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95302 Gender:	Re: Is it wrong to criticise Nazis? Reply #239 - Aug 27^th, 2017 at 5:48pm freediver wrote on Aug 27^th, 2017 at 3:58pm: Why are you afraid to answer John? That's what I keep asking you. You're too scared to say.
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