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Re: Is it wrong to criticise Nazis?
Reply #45 - Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 11:00am

freediver wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 10:53am:

mothra wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 10:51am:

freediver wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 10:50am:

mothra wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 10:47am:

FD, how do you know they are a Nazi if they don't "openly reveal their hate"?

Good question Mothra. There are many ways to tell if someone is a Nazi. For example, they might say something like "I am a Nazi".

Which would openly reveal their hate, yes?

Oh no Mothra. You cannot possibly do that. That would be tarring all Nazis with the same brush. Like assuming all Muslims want to slaughter the infidel wherever they find them, just because the Koran tells them to and Muhammad demonstrated the practice.

Still, if John were in a mood to give a straight answer to a simple question, you could try asking him. After all, this is his story, even if he is now afraid to tell it.

Just as the bible Tells us to put to death anyone that works on the Sabbath. You are a good Christian how many Sabbath workers have you put to death?

Not all Muslims are Jihadists not all christian are fundamentalist who believes the bible should be taken literally. Just as a christian you do not want to kill sabbath workers Muslims (the majority) do not want to kill infidel. And please do not try and tell me that there are not any Christians wanting a Holy war against Islam. possibly you are one of them.

However, anyone out there waving a Swastika I think one can safely assume is bad.

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Re: Is it wrong to criticise Nazis?
Reply #47 - Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 11:03am

mothra wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 10:56am:

freediver wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 10:53am:

mothra wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 10:51am:

freediver wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 10:50am:

mothra wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 10:47am:

FD, how do you know they are a Nazi if they don't "openly reveal their hate"?

Good question Mothra. There are many ways to tell if someone is a Nazi. For example, they might say something like "I am a Nazi".

Which would openly reveal their hate, yes?

Oh no Mothra. You cannot possibly do that. That would be tarring all Nazis with the same brush. Like assuming all Muslims want to slaughter the infidel wherever they find them, just because the Koran tells them to and Muhammad demonstrated the practice.

Still, if John were in a mood to give a straight answer to a simple question, you could try asking him. After all, this is his story, even if he is now afraid to tell it.

It is demonstrably true that Nazism is a hate fueled ideology.

It is also demonstrably true that most Muslims live perfectly peaceful lives.

Modern Nazis also live perfectly peaceful lives. In fact they slaughter innocent people less often than Muslims.

Still, these are good points you make. Perhaps being a Nazi alone is justification to criticise someone. However, given that John has gone into jellyfish mode, and this is entirely his story, we are unlikely to get any straight answers.

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But well done you, you eventually made it all about Muslims. That was your plan all along, no?

It was about Muslims from the beginning. I made it more familiar by using Nazism as an example to demonstrate to John how stupid his arguments are. I suspect that quote in the opening post is where John finally understood this point and turned into a jellyfish.

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35267 Gender:	Re: Is it wrong to criticise Nazis? Reply #48 - Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 11:06am You can't be peaceful and be a Nazi. Your entire existence is built on hate and resentment. They're in constant conflict. Are you arguing that there is something redeeming about being a Nazi, FD?
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Re: Is it wrong to criticise Nazis?
Reply #49 - Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 11:37am

mothra wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 11:06am:

You can't be peaceful and be a Nazi. You're entire existence is built on hate and resentment. They're in constant conflict.

Are you arguing that there is something redeeming about being a Nazi, FD?

My take is he would rather have a Nazi living next door to him than a Muslim

You know when you actually consider that Nazi holocaust not only Murdered 6 million Jews. It also butchered Gypsies, Homosexuals and Slavs, You do know that there 24 Million Russian civilian deaths. I think the Muslims have a long way to go before catching up.

Careful FD your Hatred is showing

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Re: Is it wrong to criticise Nazis?
Reply #50 - Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 12:34pm

mothra wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 11:06am:

You can't be peaceful and be a Nazi. Your entire existence is built on hate and resentment. They're in constant conflict.

Are you arguing that there is something redeeming about being a Nazi, FD?

You can be peaceful and be a Nazi, just like you can be peaceful and be a Muslim. Like I said, Muslims are slaughtering far more innocent people than Nazis are, but the vast majority refrain from beheading people in the street on their way to work.

This is not my argument. It is John's. He's just having a bit of trouble giving a straight answer at the moment. Give him time. I'm sure he'll explain everything eventually.

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You know when you actually consider that Nazi holocaust not only Murdered 6 million Jews. It also butchered Gypsies, Homosexuals and Slavs, You do know that there 24 Million Russian civilian deaths. I think the Muslims have a long way to go before catching up.

Muhammad was just as fond of slaughtering all sorts of pagans as he was of slaughtering Jews. In fact, going by the result, he was more successful than the Nazis. Mecca, and a large area surrounding it, was ethnically cleansed of all non-Muslims shortly after Muhammad's death, and has remained that way for 1400 years. No other political or religious movement on earth has the same dedication to genocide.

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Re: Is it wrong to criticise Nazis?
Reply #51 - Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 1:48pm

mothra wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 10:56am:

freediver wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 10:53am:

mothra wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 10:51am:

freediver wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 10:50am:

mothra wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 10:47am:

FD, how do you know they are a Nazi if they don't "openly reveal their hate"?

Good question Mothra. There are many ways to tell if someone is a Nazi. For example, they might say something like "I am a Nazi".

Which would openly reveal their hate, yes?

Oh no Mothra. You cannot possibly do that. That would be tarring all Nazis with the same brush. Like assuming all Muslims want to slaughter the infidel wherever they find them, just because the Koran tells them to and Muhammad demonstrated the practice.

Still, if John were in a mood to give a straight answer to a simple question, you could try asking him. After all, this is his story, even if he is now afraid to tell it.

It is demonstrably true that Nazism is a hate fueled ideology.

It is also demonstrably true that most Muslims live perfectly peaceful lives.

But well done you, you eventually made it all about Muslims. That was your plan all along, no?

I would describe the ideology of ISIS (not Islam or Muslims) as: totalitarian, militaristic, and fascist. Do you agree with this? I'm not saying that this ideology has anything to do with Islam or Muslims.

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Re: Is it wrong to criticise Nazis?
Reply #52 - Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 2:23pm

Auggie wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 1:48pm:

mothra wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 10:56am:

freediver wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 10:53am:

mothra wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 10:51am:

freediver wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 10:50am:

mothra wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 10:47am:

FD, how do you know they are a Nazi if they don't "openly reveal their hate"?

Good question Mothra. There are many ways to tell if someone is a Nazi. For example, they might say something like "I am a Nazi".

Which would openly reveal their hate, yes?

Oh no Mothra. You cannot possibly do that. That would be tarring all Nazis with the same brush. Like assuming all Muslims want to slaughter the infidel wherever they find them, just because the Koran tells them to and Muhammad demonstrated the practice.

Still, if John were in a mood to give a straight answer to a simple question, you could try asking him. After all, this is his story, even if he is now afraid to tell it.

It is demonstrably true that Nazism is a hate fueled ideology.

It is also demonstrably true that most Muslims live perfectly peaceful lives.

But well done you, you eventually made it all about Muslims. That was your plan all along, no?

I would describe the ideology of ISIS (not Islam or Muslims) as: totalitarian, militaristic, and fascist. Do you agree with this? I'm not saying that this ideology has anything to do with Islam or Muslims.

Absolutely.

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Re: Is it wrong to criticise Nazis?
Reply #54 - Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 3:41pm

freediver wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 12:34pm:

Muhammad was just as fond of slaughtering all sorts of pagans as he was of slaughtering Jews.

mention the deaths caused by the church during the crusades and dark ages to FD and you get some variation of the 'that was then, we've moved on argument'.

that doesn't stop him going on about how many mohammed killed Cheesy

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Re: Is it wrong to criticise Nazis?
Reply #55 - Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 9:41pm

John would you agree that Muhammad has more to do with Islam than the crusades have to do with Christianity?

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freediver wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 12:17pm:

So we should refrain from criticising Nazis until they actually do something wrong, or openly reveal their hate?

a rather simplified comment but pretty much spot on, yes.

John you still haven't explained whether this is misrepresenting you. Is it? And if it is not this, what is it that you think was misrepresented?

Can you do that jellyfish impression for us again please?

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Re: Is it wrong to criticise Nazis?
Reply #56 - Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 9:51pm

freediver wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 9:41pm:

John would you agree that Muhammad has more to do with Islam than the crusades have to do with Christianity?

Given that Islam grew out of Christianity I fail to see how you differentiate between one murderous religious nut expanding his territory and murderous thieves using religion as the excuse to expand their territory? Roll Eyes

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74257 Gender:	Re: Is it wrong to criticise Nazis? Reply #57 - Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 9:58pm freediver wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 9:41pm: John you still haven't explained whether this is misrepresenting you sure I have ... but whilst you are determined to maintain the role of village idiot you will remain unable to see it.
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Re: Is it wrong to criticise Nazis?
Reply #58 - Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 10:16pm

Lastone wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 11:37am:

My take is he would rather have a Nazi living next door to him than a Muslim

FD is indulging in false dichotomy
He is trying to compare a political organisation with one of the worlds major religions. It is apples and oranges.
If FD was debating honestly he would compare Nazis to ISIS. That would be a valid comparison.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74257 Gender:	Re: Is it wrong to criticise Nazis? Reply #59 - Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 10:18pm The_Barnacle wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 10:16pm: If FD was debating honestly if FD was debating honestly it would snow in Bali
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