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Re: Is it wrong to criticise Nazis?
Reply #60 - Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 11:25pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 10:16pm:

Lastone wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 11:37am:

My take is he would rather have a Nazi living next door to him than a Muslim

FD is indulging in false dichotomy
He is trying to compare a political organisation with one of the worlds major religions. It is apples and oranges.
If FD was debating honestly he would compare Nazis to ISIS. That would be a valid comparison.

Having read some of this guys older posts, I doubt FD has the intelligence to draw conclusions like that.

hmmm maybe lack of intelligence is a bit harsh. Maybe he just lacks the historical knowledge and the ability to the discern the socio-political background to world history inclusive of the Middle East.

Probably a result of under-funded public schools... Sad

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Reply #61 - Aug 24^th, 2017 at 2:27am

freediver wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 1:33pm:

It has finally happened. In an effort to defend Muslims, the apologists are now declaring it is also wrong to criticise Nazis.

John Smith wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 12:21pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 12:17pm:

So we should refrain from criticising Nazis until they actually do something wrong, or openly reveal their hate?

a rather simplified comment but pretty much spot on, yes.

John went on to spend several pages pretending he did not say this, and that he was talking about jailing people rather than criticising them. He now refuses to give a straight answer, but continues to post endless deflections:

John Smith wrote on Aug 21^st, 2017 at 1:16pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 21^st, 2017 at 1:09pm:

You are confused John. You did not answer my question before I asked it.

Sure I did.

Dear O dear O dear ....

Johnno hoisted by his own petard ... again ...

Next time look before you leap.

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 83830 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: Is it wrong to criticise Nazis? Reply #62 - Aug 24^th, 2017 at 4:40am It's wrong to adhere the label 'NAZIs' to people who are nothing of the sort..... It's wrong to fail to apply the same label to people who do the same thing while waving a different banner..... It's wrong to use 'labeling' as a means of diverting or destroying discussion of issues.....
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Re: Is it wrong to criticise Nazis?
Reply #63 - Aug 24^th, 2017 at 8:31am

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 2:27am:

freediver wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 1:33pm:

It has finally happened. In an effort to defend Muslims, the apologists are now declaring it is also wrong to criticise Nazis.

John Smith wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 12:21pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 12:17pm:

So we should refrain from criticising Nazis until they actually do something wrong, or openly reveal their hate?

a rather simplified comment but pretty much spot on, yes.

John went on to spend several pages pretending he did not say this, and that he was talking about jailing people rather than criticising them. He now refuses to give a straight answer, but continues to post endless deflections:

John Smith wrote on Aug 21^st, 2017 at 1:16pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 21^st, 2017 at 1:09pm:

You are confused John. You did not answer my question before I asked it.

Sure I did.

Dear O dear O dear ....

Johnno hoisted by his own petard ... again ...

Next time look before you leap.

you should ask FD to put up the rest of that little chat. I doubt he'd put it up as it'll show him to be the liar that he is.
I've asked a dozen times and he pretends to not have seen it, maybe if another islamaphobe asks he might entertain you?

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Re: Is it wrong to criticise Nazis?
Reply #64 - Aug 24^th, 2017 at 8:56am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 4:40am:

It's wrong to adhere the label 'NAZIs' to people who are nothing of the sort.....

It's wrong to fail to apply the same label to people who do the same thing while waving a different banner.....

It's wrong to use 'labeling' as a means of diverting or destroying discussion of issues.....

so true.,, I call it name calling but you are right its labeling...and its dropped in at every chance no matter what we are talking about...

its usually by the arrogant pompous always right mob...

I like the word 'apologist' not quite sure where it fits though as its used indiscriminately.. but that the only word in the reply.... so its hard to figure it out.. Roll Eyes

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capitosinora Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2204 USA Florida Gender:	Re: Is it wrong to criticise Nazis? Reply #65 - Aug 24^th, 2017 at 9:16am Of course that's wrong and Hypocritical. Have a look at Jews everything what Nazis did to them they do to Palestinians.
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Re: Is it wrong to criticise Nazis?
Reply #66 - Aug 24^th, 2017 at 11:39am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 4:40am:

It's wrong to adhere the label 'NAZIs' to people who are nothing of the sort.....

It's wrong to fail to apply the same label to people who do the same thing while waving a different banner.....

It's wrong to use 'labeling' as a means of diverting or destroying discussion of issues.....

Interesting. What would you call people walking under Nazi flags and chanting Nazi slogans?

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Re: Is it wrong to criticise Nazis?
Reply #67 - Aug 24^th, 2017 at 11:43am

mothra wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 11:39am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 4:40am:

It's wrong to adhere the label 'NAZIs' to people who are nothing of the sort.....

It's wrong to fail to apply the same label to people who do the same thing while waving a different banner.....

It's wrong to use 'labeling' as a means of diverting or destroying discussion of issues.....

Interesting. What would you call people walking under Nazi flags and chanting Nazi slogans?

the same thing I would call antifa people who walked chanting...

protesters..

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Reply #68 - Aug 24^th, 2017 at 11:44am

cods wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 11:43am:

mothra wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 11:39am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 4:40am:

It's wrong to adhere the label 'NAZIs' to people who are nothing of the sort.....

It's wrong to fail to apply the same label to people who do the same thing while waving a different banner.....

It's wrong to use 'labeling' as a means of diverting or destroying discussion of issues.....

Interesting. What would you call people walking under Nazi flags and chanting Nazi slogans?

the same thing I would call antifa people who walked chanting...

protesters..

You know they call themselves Nazis, right? They're actually proud of it.

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: Is it wrong to criticise Nazis? Reply #69 - Aug 24^th, 2017 at 11:45am capitosinora wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 9:16am: Of course that's wrong and Hypocritical. Have a look at Jews everything what Nazis did to them they do to Palestinians. gosh news to me Israel has gas chambers....can you tell us where they are..and how many Palestinians have been gassed.... thanks..
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Re: Is it wrong to criticise Nazis?
Reply #70 - Aug 24^th, 2017 at 11:53am

Moriaty wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 9:51pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 9:41pm:

John would you agree that Muhammad has more to do with Islam than the crusades have to do with Christianity?

Given that Islam grew out of Christianity I fail to see how you differentiate between one murderous religious nut expanding his territory and murderous thieves using religion as the excuse to expand their territory? Roll Eyes

So you actually think that the crusades are just as reflective of Christianity as Muhammad is of Islam?

John Smith wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 9:58pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 9:41pm:

John you still haven't explained whether this is misrepresenting you

sure I have ... but whilst you are determined to maintain the role of village idiot you will remain unable to see it.

No you haven't John. I see a total of one accusation so far from you that I have misrepresented you, but when asked what I said that was misrepresenting or why it is misleading, you turn into a jellyfish.

John Smith wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 12:21pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 12:17pm:

So we should refrain from criticising Nazis until they actually do something wrong, or openly reveal their hate?

a rather simplified comment but pretty much spot on, yes.

Is this misrepresenting you John? If so how?

If a jellyfish could type, what would it say right now?

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He is trying to compare a political organisation with one of the worlds major religions.

Islam is just as much a political movement as a religious one. Hitler had some strange spiritual views, and there is no reason to think that if the Nazis had been as militarily successful as the Muslims (who got their thousand year reich), that Nazism would not have morphed into a religious movement.

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It is apples and oranges.

Are you saying it is not possible to compare apples with oranges? Are they not both fruit?

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you should ask FD to put up the rest of that little chat

Why can't you ask John? Are you worried you would sound like an idiot asking me to do it for you? Do you think it sounds less stupid asking Herb to ask me on your behalf to post something that you would not post yourself?

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Re: Is it wrong to criticise Nazis?
Reply #71 - Aug 24^th, 2017 at 11:53am

mothra wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 11:44am:

cods wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 11:43am:

mothra wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 11:39am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 4:40am:

It's wrong to adhere the label 'NAZIs' to people who are nothing of the sort.....

It's wrong to fail to apply the same label to people who do the same thing while waving a different banner.....

It's wrong to use 'labeling' as a means of diverting or destroying discussion of issues.....

Interesting. What would you call people walking under Nazi flags and chanting Nazi slogans?

the same thing I would call antifa people who walked chanting...

protesters..

You know they call themselves Nazis, right? They're actually proud of it.

a few do..... some muslim terrorists do the same thing...they shout

allah akbar.. its an act of defiance

its saying UP YOU... the big finger if you like..

I dont get so carried away about things like that....

its what a group is capable of that I look at...rather than what they call themselves..

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Re: Is it wrong to criticise Nazis?
Reply #72 - Aug 24^th, 2017 at 12:03pm

cods wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 11:53am:

mothra wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 11:44am:

cods wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 11:43am:

mothra wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 11:39am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 4:40am:

It's wrong to adhere the label 'NAZIs' to people who are nothing of the sort.....

It's wrong to fail to apply the same label to people who do the same thing while waving a different banner.....

It's wrong to use 'labeling' as a means of diverting or destroying discussion of issues.....

Interesting. What would you call people walking under Nazi flags and chanting Nazi slogans?

the same thing I would call antifa people who walked chanting...

protesters..

You know they call themselves Nazis, right? They're actually proud of it.

a few do..... some muslim terrorists do the same thing...they shout

allah akbar.. its an act of defiance

its saying UP YOU... the big finger if you like..

I dont get so carried away about things like that....

its what a group is capable of that I look at...rather than what they call themselves..

So why do you object to them being referred to by what they are? They are neo-Nazis.

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Reply #73 - Aug 24^th, 2017 at 12:12pm

Dr Mengele wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 7:48am:

Nazi = Proud white person

All other races are allowed to be proud of their heritage but for whites it's a mortal sin.

Why is that?

Nazis are not proud white people. Not these days, anyway. I think you are confusing white nationalist with nazis.
You can be proud of your heritiage. But don't denigrate the other heritages around the world.

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Reply #74 - Aug 24^th, 2017 at 2:21pm

freediver wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 11:53am:

No you haven't John. I see a total of one accusation so far from you that I have misrepresented you, but when asked what I said that was misrepresenting or why it is misleading, you turn into a jellyfish.

You're a liar.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1503408162/15

John Smith wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 1:21pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 10:41am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 10:25am:

freediver wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 10:22am:

How have I misrepresented you John?

Queue the jellyfish.

I've asked you multiple times to put up the rest of that conversation FD. Why do you run away from it? Are you worried your bullsh1t won't stand up to scrutiny?

No you haven't John.

How have I misrepresented you John?

And what sound does a jellyfish make?

bullshit

John Smith wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 8:51pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 8:46pm:

Is this misrepresenting you John?

why didn't you put up the rest of that conversation FD? the original version?

This is the third thread you've dragged this conversation to ... are you trying to get some distance between the conversation and your twist on it?
Cheesy

and again

John Smith wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 9:12pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 9:00pm:

You have not answered once John.

The dance of the apologist continues....

I've answered several times FD.
Why don't you put up the rest of that conversation if you're so sure I haven't answered? In it's entirety.

but wait, there's more

John Smith wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 9:25pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 9:20pm:

Because you have spent several pages running away from the question John

I did no such thing. I spent several pages explaining to you that it had already been answered. I even copy pasted the answers for you on three different occasions. Fkked if I'm going to do it again. You want them , you fetch.

I notice you're hesitant to put up the rest of the conversation we had FD. Why is that? why did you feel the need to start a third thread on the same crap? Cheesy

hold on, we're not done yet folks

John Smith wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 9:25pm:

still pretending ehh FD. Where's the rest of that conversation? Ar eyou worried you'll look an even bigger fool if you put it up? Grin

so I asked you to show the rest of the conversation on at least 4 seperate occassions, and that's without my going back to the original thread FD, and you're still pretending I never asked. Grin

tell me FD, is it that you are partially blind and honestly don't see my replies? or is it simply that you're a lying dishonest jellyfish?

keep pretending FD.

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