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I think this is wrong
Aug 22nd, 2017 at 11:22pm
 
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freediver wrote on Aug 22nd, 2017 at 1:33pm:
It has finally happened. In an effort to defend Muslims, the apologists are now declaring it is also wrong to criticise Nazis.

John Smith wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 12:21pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 12:17pm:
So we should refrain from criticising Nazis until they actually do something wrong, or openly reveal their hate?


a rather simplified comment but pretty much spot on, yes.


John went on to spend several pages pretending he did not say this, and that he was talking about jailing people rather than criticising them. He now refuses to give a straight answer, but continues to post endless deflections:

John Smith wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 1:16pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 1:09pm:
You are confused John. You did not answer my question before I asked it.


Sure I did.



It is a total misrepresentation

What John_Smith autually replied was.....
John Smith wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 12:21pm:
a rather simplified comment but pretty much spot on, yes. You can't jail people for thinking bad thoughts fd.
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With Free Driver editing the quote to remove the words " You can't jail people for thinking bad thoughts fd"
That is not playing fair. It is dishonest. It's un-Ausralian. 

Let's have proper debates won or lost on the strength of the argument not on the cheap shot
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Reply #1 - Aug 22nd, 2017 at 11:26pm
 
Has John ever claimed it is a misrepresentation? Try asking him if it is and see if you can get a straight answer from him. This is now the 4th thread dedicated to John avoiding that very question.

Lastone wrote on Aug 22nd, 2017 at 11:22pm:
Freedriver made this post

freediver wrote on Aug 22nd, 2017 at 1:33pm:
It has finally happened. In an effort to defend Muslims, the apologists are now declaring it is also wrong to criticise Nazis.

John Smith wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 12:21pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 12:17pm:
So we should refrain from criticising Nazis until they actually do something wrong, or openly reveal their hate?


a rather simplified comment but pretty much spot on, yes.


John went on to spend several pages pretending he did not say this, and that he was talking about jailing people rather than criticising them. He now refuses to give a straight answer, but continues to post endless deflections:

John Smith wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 1:16pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 1:09pm:
You are confused John. You did not answer my question before I asked it.


Sure I did.



It is a total misrepresentation

What John_Smith autually replied was.....
John Smith wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 12:21pm:
a rather simplified comment but pretty much spot on, yes. You can't jail people for thinking bad thoughts fd.
.

With Free Driver editing the quote to remove the words " You can't jail people for thinking bad thoughts fd"
That is not playing fair. It is dishonest. It's un-Ausralian. 

Let's have proper debates won or lost on the strength of the argument not on the cheap shot


BTW, can you explain how it is a misrepresentation for me to claim that John pretended it was actually about jailing people?

This is John's favourite trick. Say something incredibly stupid. Revel in the attention it brings him. Then start backpedaling. Why else do you think John says incredibly stupid things so often?
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Reply #2 - Aug 22nd, 2017 at 11:57pm
 
Yes you edited the quote to delete part of it. You had hit the quote button then highlight part of it and hit the delete button in order to produce the quote that you did. Why delete part of the quote?
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Reply #3 - Aug 23rd, 2017 at 12:05am
 
If you want to criticize someone have a go at me. He believe/she believes in I disagree with what you say but defend your rights to say it. Me I have the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. If your exercise of free speech seeks to restrict my rights to the above then it should be your rights at risk not mine.
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Reply #4 - Aug 23rd, 2017 at 8:55am
 
So basically neither of you can explain how I misrepresented John. John will not even say that I misrepresented him. But he will let you say it and continue leading you up the garden path.

The post I quoted is where I would put John's transition in this debate from imbecile mode to jellyfish mode. He has not actually said anything on the topic since, and won't until he starts backpedaling in earnest. He just offers more and more elaborate excuses for why he cannot possibly give a straight answer.

Still, it must amuse him to see you leap to his defense and give the answers he cannot give. Are you suggesting that John wholeheartedly agreed with my summation, but then started backpedaling in the same post by pretending I said something completely different?

How many threads do you think we should have about John's irrational fear of giving a straight answer?
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Reply #5 - Aug 23rd, 2017 at 9:34am
 
Quote:
So basically
neither of you
......


Huh?  How many 'Lastones' are there?

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Reply #6 - Aug 23rd, 2017 at 9:38am
 
freediver wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 8:55am:
So basically neither of you can explain how I misrepresented John. John will not even say that I misrepresented him. But he will let you say it and continue leading you up the garden path.

The post I quoted is where I would put John's transition in this debate from imbecile mode to jellyfish mode. He has not actually said anything on the topic since, and won't until he starts backpedaling in earnest. He just offers more and more elaborate excuses for why he cannot possibly give a straight answer.

Still, it must amuse him to see you leap to his defense and give the answers he cannot give. Are you suggesting that John wholeheartedly agreed with my summation, but then started backpedaling in the same post by pretending I said something completely different?

How many threads do you think we should have about John's irrational fear of giving a straight answer?


Read the first post in this thread. It explains exactly how you misrepresented him.

Johns Reply to you was Quote:
a rather simplified comment but pretty much spot on, yes. You can't jail people for thinking bad thoughts fd.


You edited the quote deliberately and with malicious intent to read.
Quote:
a rather simplified comment but pretty much spot on, yes.


The edited part of the quote Quote:
You can't jail people for thinking bad thoughts fd.
Quite clearly is a reference to free speech. and puts the first part of the quote in a different context. In editing that section you made it appear that john was defending Nazi's, when he was actually defending free speech.

That is all up there and explained in the first post of this thread.

So when you write.

freediver wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 8:55am:
So basically neither of you can explain how I misrepresented John. John will not even say that I misrepresented him.


You have once again misrepresented the situation as this has been explained.

Further when John writes ....
John Smith wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 7:46am:
freediver wrote on Aug 22nd, 2017 at 11:23pm:
Behold the tapdancing apologist.

John Smith wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 12:21pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 12:17pm:
So we should refrain from criticising Nazis until they actually do something wrong, or openly reveal their hate?


a rather simplified comment but pretty much spot on, yes.


Is this misrepresenting you John?



still pretending ehh FD. Where's the rest of that conversation? Ar eyou worried you'll look an even bigger fool if you put it up? Grin Grin


The highlighted section clearly indicates that John feels he was misrepresented. So when you write Quote:
John will not even say that I misrepresented him.
that now has been shown to be a misrepresentation.

By my count that is strike 3


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Reply #7 - Aug 23rd, 2017 at 9:39am
 
Aussie wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 9:34am:
Quote:
So basically
neither of you
......


Huh?  How many 'Lastones' are there?



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Reply #8 - Aug 23rd, 2017 at 9:50am
 
Lastone wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 9:38am:
freediver wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 8:55am:
So basically neither of you can explain how I misrepresented John. John will not even say that I misrepresented him. But he will let you say it and continue leading you up the garden path.

The post I quoted is where I would put John's transition in this debate from imbecile mode to jellyfish mode. He has not actually said anything on the topic since, and won't until he starts backpedaling in earnest. He just offers more and more elaborate excuses for why he cannot possibly give a straight answer.

Still, it must amuse him to see you leap to his defense and give the answers he cannot give. Are you suggesting that John wholeheartedly agreed with my summation, but then started backpedaling in the same post by pretending I said something completely different?

How many threads do you think we should have about John's irrational fear of giving a straight answer?


Read the first post in this thread. It explains exactly how you misrepresented him.

Johns Reply to you was Quote:
a rather simplified comment but pretty much spot on, yes. You can't jail people for thinking bad thoughts fd.


You edited the quote deliberately and with malicious intent to read.
Quote:
a rather simplified comment but pretty much spot on, yes.


The edited part of the quote Quote:
You can't jail people for thinking bad thoughts fd.
Quite clearly is a reference to free speech. and puts the first part of the quote in a different context. In editing that section you made it appear that john was defending Nazi's, when he was actually defending free speech.

That is all up there and explained in the first post of this thread.

So when you write.

freediver wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 8:55am:
So basically neither of you can explain how I misrepresented John. John will not even say that I misrepresented him.


You have once again misrepresented the situation as this has been explained.

Further when John writes ....
John Smith wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 7:46am:
freediver wrote on Aug 22nd, 2017 at 11:23pm:
Behold the tapdancing apologist.

John Smith wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 12:21pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 12:17pm:
So we should refrain from criticising Nazis until they actually do something wrong, or openly reveal their hate?


a rather simplified comment but pretty much spot on, yes.


Is this misrepresenting you John?



still pretending ehh FD. Where's the rest of that conversation? Ar eyou worried you'll look an even bigger fool if you put it up? Grin Grin


The highlighted section clearly indicates that John feels he was misrepresented. So when you write Quote:
John will not even say that I misrepresented him.
that now has been shown to be a misrepresentation.

By my count that is strike 3




It clearly indicates that John has an irrational fear of giving a straight answer. You are putting words into John's mouth. You are saying things on behalf of John that he cannot bring himself to say on his own behalf. But he will continue to lead you up the garden path. All it takes is a vague hint to give you certainty.

You are becoming the stereotypical dupe who gets taken advantage of over and over again because he cannot realise he has been taken advantage of unless the person doing it admits to it. You are being taken advantage of by a jellyfish.
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Reply #9 - Aug 23rd, 2017 at 10:11am
 
freediver wrote on Aug 22nd, 2017 at 11:26pm:
Has John ever claimed it is a misrepresentation?


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John Smith wrote on Aug 22nd, 2017 at 5:36pm:
I'll just ignore the fact
that you are misrepresenting what I said
for now FD, and ask

are you declaring that we should criticise people for what you think they think?



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Reply #10 - Aug 23rd, 2017 at 10:16am
 
Thanks Lastone but this is FD's standard operating procedure. It doesn't suit his agenda to be honest lest he have to concede that he is an Islamaphobic . FD will cheat and lie about anything to further his anti muslim rhetoric.


He does this with everyone, not just me.
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Reply #11 - Aug 23rd, 2017 at 10:19am
 
freediver wrote on Aug 22nd, 2017 at 11:26pm:
This is John's favourite trick. Say something incredibly stupid. Revel in the attention it brings him. Then start backpedaling.



the only one saying anything stupid is you when you insist I haven't answered your question despite having done so multiple times. Your real problem is that you actually think you're being clever, but all you are really doing is highlight just how stupid you are.

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Reply #12 - Aug 23rd, 2017 at 10:21am
 
freediver wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 8:55am:
So basically neither of you can explain how I misrepresented John



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Here he goes again Roll Eyes. Lastone has given you that answer several times already.

I know what you can do FD, you should start another thread claiming Lastone refuses to answer . Just be sure to edit out anything that doesn't support your argument. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #13 - Aug 23rd, 2017 at 10:22am
 
How have I misrepresented you John?

Queue the jellyfish.
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Reply #14 - Aug 23rd, 2017 at 10:25am
 
freediver wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 10:22am:
How have I misrepresented you John?

Queue the jellyfish.


I've asked you multiple times to put up the rest of that conversation FD. Why do you run away from it? Are you worried your bullsh1t won't stand up to scrutiny?

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