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Re: How to respond to the upswing in racism
Reply #105 - Aug 24th, 2017 at 5:02pm
 
John Smith wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 5:01pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 12:27pm:
Are you asking me whether I can disprove BS faster than you can make it up?


How do you know if it is bullshit if you haven't proven it?


Oh great. John is back in imbecile mode. How long before you refuse to answer any questions John?

mothra wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 5:02pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 4:51pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 12:55pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 12:27pm:
Are you asking me whether I can disprove BS faster than you can make it up?



What are you basing your rejection of the statistics on? Your gut?


Your inability to back them up. You said something stupid. You back it up. I cannot disprove something that does not exist in the first place, and it is only your irrational rejection of basic logic that leads you to make such an idiotic demand in the first place.


What did i say that was stupid, FD? Did you read the OP or are you just having a little reaction to the thread title?

It's an established fact that alt-right activity and terrorism is on the rise across the globe. Are you actually arguing that that is not racist?

You probably are. This'll be good.


If it is an established fact, you won't have any trouble backing up what you said, will you? Until then you are just playing the proverbial idiot who says something stupid then demands others disprove it.
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Re: How to respond to the upswing in racism
Reply #106 - Aug 24th, 2017 at 5:02pm
 
Abolish races?  Any adherence to a racial group means instant deportation?
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Re: How to respond to the upswing in racism
Reply #107 - Aug 24th, 2017 at 5:03pm
 
mothra wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 4:50pm:
Yes of course Grap. They just lit some candles about some statues. That's all they did.


Then they held an approved protest march.......
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Re: How to respond to the upswing in racism
Reply #108 - Aug 24th, 2017 at 5:06pm
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 5:03pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 4:50pm:
Yes of course Grap. They just lit some candles about some statues. That's all they did.


Then they held an approved protest march.......



Ah. Lovely.

Delusional .. but lovely.
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Re: How to respond to the upswing in racism
Reply #109 - Aug 24th, 2017 at 5:12pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 5:02pm:
Oh great. John is back in imbecile mode. How long before you refuse to answer any questions John?



Only one imbecile here FD, I'll give you two guesses as to who that is? I've answered everything you asked however I'm not interested in your ask the same thing 100 times game, it gets tedious.

now, back to the comment, you didn't question Mothras comment, you called it BS. That's a definite conclusion about the comment.
How do you know it was bullshit if you haven't proven it one way or the other?
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Re: How to respond to the upswing in racism
Reply #110 - Aug 24th, 2017 at 7:44pm
 
mothra wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 5:06pm:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 5:03pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 4:50pm:
Yes of course Grap. They just lit some candles about some statues. That's all they did.


Then they held an approved protest march.......



Ah. Lovely.

Delusional .. but lovely.


http://6abc.com/a-timeline-of-events-in-charlottesville-virginia/2305769/

Timeline - read it and weep - NO trouble until the anti-protestors arrived, loaded for bear, an hour or more before the scheduled protest march.

It ain't me that's delusional, honey - and we are NOT having that kind of nonsense happen here over Captain Cook or whoever statues...

You 'all want your freedom park?  Go fund it yourselves... plant a statue to whoever in that park down Redfun way, plenny o' room dere...
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Re: How to respond to the upswing in racism
Reply #111 - Aug 24th, 2017 at 9:13pm
 
Bwian et al have been saying that there is no such thing as race. So you couldn't  be racist because races don't  exist.
But now it's  all about racism.

Is there such a thing as as race or not? How can you tell one race from another?

Whats the current truth, the PC line?

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Reply #112 - Aug 25th, 2017 at 5:26am
 
mothra wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 11:52am:
How to respond to the worldwide upswing in racism


Where does hatred come from? And how must we respond? These are questions many have been asking during the past week. It's not only Americans who are rattled by the violence in Charlottesville, Virginia, and by President Donald Trump's failure to unequivocally condemn white supremacists. Around the world, there are clear signs that the old evil of bigotry has returned in full force.

Liberal democracy everywhere is under challenge. Far-right populist movements are growing in support, seizing upon disillusionment with established politics. They are fuelling xenophobia and racism.

Australia isn't immune from this. There are signs that organised racism and bigotry have been emboldened. In recent weeks a number of universities and schools have been smeared with white supremacist propaganda targeting groups including Jews, Muslims and Asians.

The tone of public debate has also deteriorated. While Parliament has its theatrical moments, Pauline Hanson's burqa stunt in the Senate went into new pantomime territory. Dick Smith last week launched an advertisement about slashing immigration, in which he predicts war and collapse while clutching a pitchfork.

Amid all this, there have been some brighter moments. Attorney-General George Brandis delivered a powerful rebuke of Senator Hanson. In the US, former presidents Bush, Clinton and Obama were forthright in rejecting hatred and violence.

But it was Barack Obama's response that has proved most memorable. Quoting Nelson Mandela, Obama wrote on Twitter: "No one is born hating another person because of the color of his skin or his background or his religion. People must learn to hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to love. For love comes more naturally to the human heart than its opposite."

It is true that hatred isn't innate to humanity. Racists aren't born racist. Bigots have to learn to become bigots. And it's equally true that hatred can be overcome through goodwill.

Yet getting to that point isn't easy.

It has become harder, for instance, to see racism and bigotry for what they clearly are. Today's far-right expressions of hatred have been cloaked with a new respectability. White supremacist and neo-Nazi elements have been savvy in rebranding themselves as "alt-right". White pride is justified as cultural self-determination, concealing how its adherents believe in racial purity and hierarchy. It can be enough to convince people of a novelty to the "alt-right", when it is just far-right racism by another name.

There can also be a misguided even-handedness on race and bigotry. People can think there are "many sides" to hatred and violence, as Trump said in his response to Charlottesville. In much of the reporting about anti-Islam movements here, anti-racism groups are put on a par with the self-styled "patriots" who target Muslim Australians.

But, in the big picture, there aren't morally equivalent sides to racism and anti-racism. On one side are those such as the white supremacists in Charlottesville who chanted "Jews will not replace us". Those who oppose them are on the side of justice and equality.

Still, where to draw the line on racism can be a source of confusion. Some say we mustn't equate racially offensive speech with the more serious category of racial physical violence. There is a distinction to be drawn between speech and action. Such a view, however, ignores how speech is itself an act, with real consequences. And it ignores how racially charged speech can quickly escalate.

Extreme racism doesn't always begin as extreme racism. Sometimes it evolves from something more seemingly benign. The cumulative effect of low-level racism, when left unchallenged, is it makes more serious forms of it possible.

Violent speech and violent action are connected. It was racist hate speech that was the prelude to the Rwandan genocide of the 1990s, just as anti-Semitic propaganda paved the way for Nazis to carry out the Holocaust.

So how we characterise racism matters. It can be convenient to believe racism is simply a product of ignorance. And assuring to think a resurgence of far-right nationalism has come from economic anxiety, rather than anything more visceral.

The reality is that racism's return also reflects a public debate where there is more accommodation of bigotry. Our multicultural society faces a paradox. For all our success on race relations in recent decades, some believe it is acceptable again to vent racial hostility openly.

Recent events in the US show us that leadership matters. When licence is given to bigotry, we can't be surprised to find that it flourishes. Hatred may not always begin with politics, but politics can bequeath hatred.

As for how we must respond, in one sense it is simple. Our society mustn't give ground to far-right extremism, and our leaders mustn't pander to people's fears. It is not enough to be non-racist; we must also be anti-racist.

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/how-to-respond-to-the-worldwide-upswing-in-racism-...


You lefty clowns pushed identity politics to become mainstream now you're reaping what you've sown.
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Re: How to respond to the upswing in racism
Reply #113 - Aug 25th, 2017 at 5:54am
 
Funny how there was never really a problem before the CULT started infecting every country it shites in.

Yeah, there were some bits of racial tension, little in Australia, but just the presence of this CULT seems too create disharmony and hatred.

This islamic CULT is as toxic and infectious as ebola, without any positive side.

Get rid of the muzzos, and watch as racial intolerance drifts back to a much lower level.

And this CULT isnt even a race, its a CULT that plays the race card to gain advantage.

Get rid of the muzzo cult
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Reply #114 - Aug 25th, 2017 at 7:37am
 
Oh and as for Cook...  he did discover "Australia" in 1770, that is a historical fact no need to amend or change anything.

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Re: How to respond to the upswing in racism
Reply #115 - Aug 25th, 2017 at 12:30pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 5:02pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 5:01pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 12:27pm:
Are you asking me whether I can disprove BS faster than you can make it up?


How do you know if it is bullshit if you haven't proven it?


Oh great. John is back in imbecile mode. How long before you refuse to answer any questions John?

mothra wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 5:02pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 4:51pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 12:55pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 12:27pm:
Are you asking me whether I can disprove BS faster than you can make it up?



What are you basing your rejection of the statistics on? Your gut?


Your inability to back them up. You said something stupid. You back it up. I cannot disprove something that does not exist in the first place, and it is only your irrational rejection of basic logic that leads you to make such an idiotic demand in the first place.


What did i say that was stupid, FD? Did you read the OP or are you just having a little reaction to the thread title?

It's an established fact that alt-right activity and terrorism is on the rise across the globe. Are you actually arguing that that is not racist?

You probably are. This'll be good.


If it is an established fact, you won't have any trouble backing up what you said, will you? Until then you are just playing the proverbial idiot who says something stupid then demands others disprove it.


A simple google would have sorted you. It literally overflows with evidence ... but:


http://www.cipadh.org/fr/node/959

http://globalnews.ca/news/3670776/white-nationalist-groups-canada-on-the-rise/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/feature/racism-white-supremacy

http://www.theglobepost.com/2017/08/15/white-supremacy-culture-war/

https://www.quora.com/Why-is-there-a-revival-or-rise-of-White-Supremacy-National...

https://www.splcenter.org/news/2017/02/15/hate-groups-increase-second-consecutiv...

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2017/02/in-europe-nationalisms-rising/

http://www.abc.net.au/triplej/programs/hack/the-rise-of-the-far-right/7858282

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/the-prowhite-gangs-spreading-race-hat...


Need more? There's plenty.
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Re: How to respond to the upswing in racism
Reply #116 - Aug 25th, 2017 at 3:03pm
 
Get rid of all non-assimmilative racial and ethnic groups?

Ein Reich etc?
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Reply #117 - Aug 25th, 2017 at 3:47pm
 
LOL
Mothballs got anything based in reality about Australia or anywhere but the US?  Hmmmm
As for your LW Prog media links....  puhlease...  they are simply pushing their agenda as perusual.
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Re: How to respond to the upswing in racism
Reply #118 - Aug 25th, 2017 at 10:31pm
 
mothra wrote on Aug 25th, 2017 at 12:30pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 5:02pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 5:01pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 12:27pm:
Are you asking me whether I can disprove BS faster than you can make it up?


How do you know if it is bullshit if you haven't proven it?


Oh great. John is back in imbecile mode. How long before you refuse to answer any questions John?

mothra wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 5:02pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 4:51pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 12:55pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 12:27pm:
Are you asking me whether I can disprove BS faster than you can make it up?



What are you basing your rejection of the statistics on? Your gut?


Your inability to back them up. You said something stupid. You back it up. I cannot disprove something that does not exist in the first place, and it is only your irrational rejection of basic logic that leads you to make such an idiotic demand in the first place.


What did i say that was stupid, FD? Did you read the OP or are you just having a little reaction to the thread title?

It's an established fact that alt-right activity and terrorism is on the rise across the globe. Are you actually arguing that that is not racist?

You probably are. This'll be good.


If it is an established fact, you won't have any trouble backing up what you said, will you? Until then you are just playing the proverbial idiot who says something stupid then demands others disprove it.


A simple google would have sorted you. It literally overflows with evidence ... but:


http://www.cipadh.org/fr/node/959

http://globalnews.ca/news/3670776/white-nationalist-groups-canada-on-the-rise/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/feature/racism-white-supremacy

http://www.theglobepost.com/2017/08/15/white-supremacy-culture-war/

https://www.quora.com/Why-is-there-a-revival-or-rise-of-White-Supremacy-National...

https://www.splcenter.org/news/2017/02/15/hate-groups-increase-second-consecutiv...

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2017/02/in-europe-nationalisms-rising/

http://www.abc.net.au/triplej/programs/hack/the-rise-of-the-far-right/7858282

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/the-prowhite-gangs-spreading-race-hat...


Need more? There's plenty.


Do any of them verify the claim you made? You seem to be having an awful lot of trouble with such a simple concept.
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Re: How to respond to the upswing in racism
Reply #119 - Aug 26th, 2017 at 9:25am
 
mothra wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 12:06pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 12:02pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 12:45pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 12:39pm:
I would start by proving the upswing exists. But you are welcome to leap straight to the hysterical reaction bit.


You're unaware? Well, for a start there has been a 17% increase in hate groups in the last year in the US alone.



Ah statistics, when regular lies are just not good enough.



You know they are wrong? Interesting. Care to prove it? And that there aren't at least 10 new KKK groups registered since Trump's inauguration?


Mothra, can you back this up? Do you realise how silly you look when you ask someone to disprove the crap you make up?
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