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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: What a girl! A brave Muslim speaks out. Reply #15 - Sep 5^th, 2017 at 4:39pm burqini baron, not the burqa. There is a huge difference. But no, I don't support the banning of women's garments.
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Reply #16 - Sep 5^th, 2017 at 4:45pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 4:39pm:

burqini baron, not the burqa. There is a huge difference.

But no, I don't support the banning of women's garments.

Morocco banned the sale of the Burqa, I think they also dropped the death penalty for apostasy.

Do you support these legal changes in Morocco?

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: What a girl! A brave Muslim speaks out. Reply #17 - Sep 6^th, 2017 at 1:24pm Based on what I just said, as well as what I've been saying for the last 5 years I've been here - what do you think my position would be Baron?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49030 At my desk.	Re: What a girl! A brave Muslim speaks out. Reply #18 - Sep 6^th, 2017 at 1:26pm Ooh I know the answer to that one. They are a mindless collective, right?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: What a girl! A brave Muslim speaks out. Reply #19 - Sep 6^th, 2017 at 1:45pm freediver wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 1:26pm: Ooh I know the answer to that one. They are a mindless collective, right? Are they jewish?
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Reply #20 - Sep 6^th, 2017 at 2:13pm

If you carefully consider what this woman is saying, you have to have some questions. Look at this:

'You do not force your ideology on others: it's against Islamic religion.'

I don't think she reads her Koran. Its all about forcing ideology on others. The only reason she can say that is because she is in a country that has a small population of Koran-for-brains.

'There are wonderful hard working educated Muslim people in this country, but in the last 10 years the many new immigrants haven't assimilated enough to appreciate Australia.'

Again, she needs to read the Koran. They are not supposed to assimilate, that would be un-Islamic. As for the wonderful hardworking Muzlims, the world is full of them. Working does not prevent them from sympathising with, or supporting, their martyrs, or even going berserk with a knife when the moment seems right.

You have to be careful with Muzlims, they are quite prepared to lie in the name of God, like when they are filling out the forms to rent a truck. What we have with this woman are two possibilities, she is either lying for Mohamed, or she is adopting Western values, which would make her an apostate. This is why we see so many atrocities committed by them, they are afraid of Westernisation. With Islam, you can't have it both ways, you are either believe the Koran, or you don't.

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Reply #21 - Sep 6^th, 2017 at 2:25pm

issuevoter wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 2:13pm:

I don't think she reads her Koran. Its all about forcing ideology on others.

Let me guess issue, you have?

Do you think this sounds like "forcing ideology on others" - direct from the Quran:

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The truth is from your Lord, so whoever wills - let him believe; and whoever wills - let him disbelieve

(18:29)

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there is no compulsion in religion

(2:256)

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49030 At my desk.	Re: What a girl! A brave Muslim speaks out. Reply #22 - Sep 6^th, 2017 at 6:09pm Gandalf do you think that is consistent with Muhammad's actions?
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Reply #23 - Sep 6^th, 2017 at 7:16pm

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Do you think this sounds like "forcing ideology on others" - direct from the Quran:

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The truth is from your Lord, so whoever wills - let him believe; and whoever wills - let him disbelieve

(18:29)

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there is no compulsion in religion

(2:256)

Then we have the huge part of the qur'an which urges forcing ideology on others as the true path:

qur'an 3.151: We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve because they ascribe unto Allah partners, for which no warrant hath been revealed. Their habitation is the Fire, and hapless the abode of the wrong-doers.

qur'an 9.29: Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

qur'an 5.51: O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.

qur'an 9.23: O ye who believe! take not for protectors your fathers and your brothers if they love infidelity above Faith: if any of you do so, they do wrong.

qur'an 8.55: For the vilest of beasts in the sight of Allah are those who reject Him: They will not believe.

qur'an 9.73: O Prophet, fight against the disbelievers and the hypocrites and be harsh upon them. And their refuge is Hell, and wretched is the destination.

So what is a muslim to believe?

Nothing but decisions decisions, kill or don't kill?

Well look at the world wide carnage rendered by muslims, as they obey the kill everybody who isn't a believer doctrine.

Present circumstances show the *forcing ideology on others* is very prevalent in the muslim world.

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Reply #24 - Sep 6^th, 2017 at 10:07pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 2:25pm:

issuevoter wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 2:13pm:

I don't think she reads her Koran. Its all about forcing ideology on others.

Let me guess issue, you have?

Do you think this sounds like "forcing ideology on others" - direct from the Quran:

Quote:

The truth is from your Lord, so whoever wills - let him believe; and whoever wills - let him disbelieve

(18:29)

Quote:

there is no compulsion in religion

(2:256)

Why don't you go directly to the passage that requires the faithful to behead the unbeliever? But if that is too embarrassing for you, why not remind us why you chose to join the most violent religion in the world today? Convince us of your higher motives. How many of your friends have you turned in for preaching hatred of Western values in private? Let me guess, none, because it is in the Koran, and you have to follow the Koran to be Muzlim.

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Reply #25 - Sep 6^th, 2017 at 10:31pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 1:24pm:

Based on what I just said, as well as what I've been saying for the last 5 years I've been here - what do you think my position would be Baron?

You did tell Alevine his position on banning the sale of the Burqa is absurd, do you think Morocco is being absurd in banning the sale of the burqa?

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Reply #26 - Sep 7^th, 2017 at 8:23am

issuevoter wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 10:07pm:

why not remind us why you chose to join the most violent religion in the world today? Convince us of your higher motives.

I didn't join any violent religion issue. How others who claim to follow the same religion as me do is nothing to do with my personal beliefs or my higher motives.

Tell me though issue, what are your "higher motives" for constantly trolling someone who has done nothing against you, been nothing but courteous towards you - and taunt them for basically being a terrorist and traitor to his own people?

Do you sit there and congratulate yourself for occupying the moral high ground?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #27 - Sep 7^th, 2017 at 8:24am

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 10:31pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 1:24pm:

Based on what I just said, as well as what I've been saying for the last 5 years I've been here - what do you think my position would be Baron?

You did tell Alevine his position on banning the sale of the Burqa is absurd, do you think Morocco is being absurd in banning the sale of the burqa?

Deary me Baron - for the second time - burqini not burqa - look it up if you don't know the difference.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #28 - Sep 7^th, 2017 at 9:23am

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 8:23am:

issuevoter wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 10:07pm:

why not remind us why you chose to join the most violent religion in the world today? Convince us of your higher motives.

I didn't join any violent religion issue. How others who claim to follow the same religion as me do is nothing to do with my personal beliefs or my higher motives.

Tell me though issue, what are your "higher motives" for constantly trolling someone who has done nothing against you, been nothing but courteous towards you - and taunt them for basically being a terrorist and traitor to his own people?

Do you sit there and congratulate yourself for occupying the moral high ground?

Not violent eh? How many people did Muhammad kill or oversee the slaughter of?

How much of the Koran is dedicated to the promotion of violence?

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Reply #29 - Sep 7^th, 2017 at 9:47am

freediver wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 9:23am:

How much of the Koran is dedicated to the promotion of violence?

It promotes religious authority.

"A 17-year old Christian boy in Pakistan was beaten to death in Pakistan by his fellow Muslim students in their classroom, reported the British Pakistani Christian Association."

britishpakistanichristians.org/blog/17-y-o-christian-boy-beaten-to-death-by-musl
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I think its a bit radical but it will end in the conclusion that Islam is superior to all other religions.

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Justsayno Go home and have talk to your fictitious autistic son, looser.

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