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Reply #45 - Sep 8^th, 2017 at 5:46pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 8^th, 2017 at 4:38pm:

[quote author=freediver link=1503891772/37#37 date=1504849101]Let's start with what they are eh?

Why bother? You are only interested in cornering me and scoring points. Your annoying little "eh" at the end betrays your impure motives.

But the real question here is why is this little entrapment exercise so important to you? Have you noticed FD your entire time here is spent playing your little game of "get the muslim (and his spineless apologists)" - rather than a genuine attempt to engage in dialogue and understanding? I wonder why you bother FD. What do you actually hope to achieve with these petty games? Is it some inadequacy you feel in real life? [/quote]

Just imagine, FD used to engage racists like Sprint with appeals to reason and justice - just like you do now with FD.

As FD says, he changed his mind.

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Reply #46 - Sep 8^th, 2017 at 7:09pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 8^th, 2017 at 4:38pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 8^th, 2017 at 3:38pm:

Let's start with what they are eh?

Why bother? You are only interested in cornering me and scoring points. Your annoying little "eh" at the end betrays your impure motives.

But the real question here is why is this little entrapment exercise so important to you? Have you noticed FD your entire time here is spent playing your little game of "get the muslim (and his spineless apologists)" - rather than a genuine attempt to engage in dialogue and understanding? I wonder why you bother FD. What do you actually hope to achieve with these petty games? Is it some inadequacy you feel in real life?

He - and all of us - hope to achieve an honest answer from a Muslim to his questions. For example:

How many people do you believe the founder of your non-violent religion killed or oversaw the slaughter of? Round to the nearest thousand if you are not sure.

How much of the Koran do you believe is dedicated to the promotion of violence?

So that 'eh' is completely justified because there will never be an honest answer out of you. Why? because an honest answer to questions about Islam would have to make you leave Islam. You cannot be both honestly devout Muslim and honestly acknowledge thee absurdity of the Koran and the following of Mohammed. That is precisely why 'spineless' is the correct characterisation of people like you who want to pretend that they have reconciled the irreconcilable.

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Re: What a girl! A brave Muslim speaks out.
Reply #47 - Sep 8^th, 2017 at 9:04pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 8^th, 2017 at 4:38pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 8^th, 2017 at 3:38pm:

Let's start with what they are eh?

Why bother? You are only interested in cornering me and scoring points. Your annoying little "eh" at the end betrays your impure motives.

But the real question here is why is this little entrapment exercise so important to you? Have you noticed FD your entire time here is spent playing your little game of "get the muslim (and his spineless apologists)" - rather than a genuine attempt to engage in dialogue and understanding? I wonder why you bother FD. What do you actually hope to achieve with these petty games? Is it some inadequacy you feel in real life?

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Reply #49 - Sep 9^th, 2017 at 12:54am

Frank wrote on Sep 8^th, 2017 at 7:09pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 8^th, 2017 at 4:38pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 8^th, 2017 at 3:38pm:

Let's start with what they are eh?

Why bother? You are only interested in cornering me and scoring points. Your annoying little "eh" at the end betrays your impure motives.

But the real question here is why is this little entrapment exercise so important to you? Have you noticed FD your entire time here is spent playing your little game of "get the muslim (and his spineless apologists)" - rather than a genuine attempt to engage in dialogue and understanding? I wonder why you bother FD. What do you actually hope to achieve with these petty games? Is it some inadequacy you feel in real life?

He - and all of us - hope to achieve an honest answer from a Muslim to his questions. For example:

How many people do you believe the founder of your non-violent religion killed or oversaw the slaughter of? Round to the nearest thousand if you are not sure.

How much of the Koran do you believe is dedicated to the promotion of violence?

So that 'eh' is completely justified because there will never be an honest answer out of you. Why? because an honest answer to questions about Islam would have to make you leave Islam. You cannot be both honestly devout Muslim and honestly acknowledge thee absurdity of the Koran and the following of Mohammed. That is precisely why 'spineless' is the correct characterisation of people like you who want to pretend that they have reconciled the irreconcilable.

Good show, old boy.

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Reply #50 - Sep 11^th, 2017 at 2:27pm

Frank wrote on Sep 8^th, 2017 at 7:09pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 8^th, 2017 at 4:38pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 8^th, 2017 at 3:38pm:

Let's start with what they are eh?

Why bother? You are only interested in cornering me and scoring points. Your annoying little "eh" at the end betrays your impure motives.

But the real question here is why is this little entrapment exercise so important to you? Have you noticed FD your entire time here is spent playing your little game of "get the muslim (and his spineless apologists)" - rather than a genuine attempt to engage in dialogue and understanding? I wonder why you bother FD. What do you actually hope to achieve with these petty games? Is it some inadequacy you feel in real life?

He - and all of us - hope to achieve an honest answer from a Muslim to his questions. For example:

How many people do you believe the founder of your non-violent religion killed or oversaw the slaughter of? Round to the nearest thousand if you are not sure.

How much of the Koran do you believe is dedicated to the promotion of violence?

So that 'eh' is completely justified because there will never be an honest answer out of you. Why? because an honest answer to questions about Islam would have to make you leave Islam. You cannot be both honestly devout Muslim and honestly acknowledge thee absurdity of the Koran and the following of Mohammed. That is precisely why 'spineless' is the correct characterisation of people like you who want to pretend that they have reconciled the irreconcilable.

The dishonesty is FD's by pretending this is a genuine question about my beliefs. Instead of what we all know it is - laying out what is in fact a fringe historical version of Muhammad's rule that is almost unanimously rejected by actual historians, which paints him as a despicable bloodthirsty warmonger, and taunting me to admit this is my "peaceful" (snigger snigger) religious beliefs. Premising my personal religious beliefs on the assumption that I believe this nonsense version of history is bad enough, but the real problem here is reducing what I have found to be a deeply spiritual doctrine into an entirely political, earthly ideology, starting with the brief earthly rule of our Prophet 1400 years ago. Islam does not even remotely begin or end there - a point that is entirely lost equally spectacularly by both you and the ISIS knuckleheads.

You and FD could have at any time asked me honestly and in good faith about the origin and nature of my 'peaceful' Islam, without trying to make it a point scoring exercise against silly, conflicted and/or dishonest muslims. But clearly it first requires you to stop this idiotic insistence of assuming my religion is fundamentally meterialistic. Then and only then it might dawn on you how utterly absurd FD's question here is - ie it defines Islam as nothing but a materialistic, temporal political ideology. As for Muhammad, yes I believe yours and FD's version of history is dishonest and wrong, but the real problem is defining the entire religion by the political decisions Muhammad the earthly ruler made. This is what leads you lot (moses is the worst) to misconstrue deeply spiritual and meaningful passages from the Quran that are in reality messages about your personal relationship with the almighty (which need not involve anyone else) - into shallow statements about earthly glory and dominating over others. And yes, absolutely the fact that so many muslims also buy into this brainless, shallow interpretation of Islam contributes massively to the problem.

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Reply #51 - Sep 11^th, 2017 at 3:55pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 11^th, 2017 at 2:27pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 8^th, 2017 at 7:09pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 8^th, 2017 at 4:38pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 8^th, 2017 at 3:38pm:

Let's start with what they are eh?

Why bother? You are only interested in cornering me and scoring points. Your annoying little "eh" at the end betrays your impure motives.

But the real question here is why is this little entrapment exercise so important to you? Have you noticed FD your entire time here is spent playing your little game of "get the muslim (and his spineless apologists)" - rather than a genuine attempt to engage in dialogue and understanding? I wonder why you bother FD. What do you actually hope to achieve with these petty games? Is it some inadequacy you feel in real life?

He - and all of us - hope to achieve an honest answer from a Muslim to his questions. For example:

How many people do you believe the founder of your non-violent religion killed or oversaw the slaughter of? Round to the nearest thousand if you are not sure.

How much of the Koran do you believe is dedicated to the promotion of violence?

So that 'eh' is completely justified because there will never be an honest answer out of you. Why? because an honest answer to questions about Islam would have to make you leave Islam. You cannot be both honestly devout Muslim and honestly acknowledge thee absurdity of the Koran and the following of Mohammed. That is precisely why 'spineless' is the correct characterisation of people like you who want to pretend that they have reconciled the irreconcilable.

The dishonesty is FD's by pretending this is a genuine question about my beliefs. Instead of what we all know it is - laying out what is in fact a fringe historical version of Muhammad's rule that is almost unanimously rejected by actual historians, which paints him as a despicable bloodthirsty warmonger, and taunting me to admit this is my "peaceful" (snigger snigger) religious beliefs. Premising my personal religious beliefs on the assumption that I believe this nonsense version of history is bad enough, but the real problem here is reducing what I have found to be a deeply spiritual doctrine into an entirely political, earthly ideology, starting with the brief earthly rule of our Prophet 1400 years ago. Islam does not even remotely begin or end there - a point that is entirely lost equally spectacularly by both you and the ISIS knuckleheads.

You and FD could have at any time asked me honestly and in good faith about the origin and nature of my 'peaceful' Islam, without trying to make it a point scoring exercise against silly, conflicted and/or dishonest muslims. But clearly it first requires you to stop this idiotic insistence of assuming my religion is fundamentally meterialistic. Then and only then it might dawn on you how utterly absurd FD's question here is - ie it defines Islam as nothing but a materialistic, temporal political ideology. As for Muhammad, yes I believe yours and FD's version of history is dishonest and wrong, but the real problem is defining the entire religion by the political decisions Muhammad the earthly ruler made. This is what leads you lot (moses is the worst) to misconstrue deeply spiritual and meaningful passages from the Quran that are in reality messages about your personal relationship with the almighty (which need not involve anyone else) - into shallow statements about earthly glory and dominating over others. And yes, absolutely the fact that so many muslims also buy into this brainless, shallow interpretation of Islam contributes massively to the problem.

You failed to mention those not so peaceful parts in Muhammad's Koran.

Why Gandalf? It's not as if we can liquid paper them out.

The fact is : The violence Muhammad exalts and promotes is THERE IN THE KORAN FOR EVERYONE TO SEE....AND MORE IMPORTANTLY FOR MUSLIMS LIKE YOU TO OBEY!

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Reply #52 - Sep 11^th, 2017 at 7:18pm

Have you actually read the relevant verses on warfare Lisa? Mothra's posted a salient article on it on another thread that dispels a few prevailing myths. Suggest you start there.

In any case, this is not even the point. Your one dimensional response merely highlights my issue I have with this debate. If you actually read the Quran you would see that its overwhelmingly a conversation on the personal level. The Quran does have some passages on temporal, worldly matters (including warfare), but they are a tiny part of the book. The vast majority of it is spiritual - a private conversation between The believer and the almighty on personal matters of worship. Thus you can perhaps understand my frustration when Frank pontificates every 5 minutes about how "Islam means submission - therefore Islam is inherently suppressive and domineering". Because, you know, Islam is only concerned with shallow, materialism (ie fighting and conquering) - that is if we totally dismiss ~99% of Islamic doctrine that speaks beyond mere temporal concerns and is deeply spiritual. So of course it never occurs to the likes of Frank that "submission" in Islam means "submitting" yourself wholly to God, as opposed to being a slave to worldly pleasures and base desires - something that all religions hold as being the ultimate goal for a believer. In fact an Imam I know describes 'submission to God' as the ultimate freedom. Food for thought.

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Reply #53 - Sep 11^th, 2017 at 9:15pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 11^th, 2017 at 2:27pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 8^th, 2017 at 7:09pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 8^th, 2017 at 4:38pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 8^th, 2017 at 3:38pm:

Let's start with what they are eh?

Why bother? You are only interested in cornering me and scoring points. Your annoying little "eh" at the end betrays your impure motives.

But the real question here is why is this little entrapment exercise so important to you? Have you noticed FD your entire time here is spent playing your little game of "get the muslim (and his spineless apologists)" - rather than a genuine attempt to engage in dialogue and understanding? I wonder why you bother FD. What do you actually hope to achieve with these petty games? Is it some inadequacy you feel in real life?

He - and all of us - hope to achieve an honest answer from a Muslim to his questions. For example:

How many people do you believe the founder of your non-violent religion killed or oversaw the slaughter of? Round to the nearest thousand if you are not sure.

How much of the Koran do you believe is dedicated to the promotion of violence?

So that 'eh' is completely justified because there will never be an honest answer out of you. Why? because an honest answer to questions about Islam would have to make you leave Islam. You cannot be both honestly devout Muslim and honestly acknowledge thee absurdity of the Koran and the following of Mohammed. That is precisely why 'spineless' is the correct characterisation of people like you who want to pretend that they have reconciled the irreconcilable.

The dishonesty is FD's by pretending this is a genuine question about my beliefs. Instead of what we all know it is - laying out what is in fact a fringe historical version of Muhammad's rule that is almost unanimously rejected by actual historians, which paints him as a despicable bloodthirsty warmonger, and taunting me to admit this is my "peaceful" (snigger snigger) religious beliefs. Premising my personal religious beliefs on the assumption that I believe this nonsense version of history is bad enough, but the real problem here is reducing what I have found to be a deeply spiritual doctrine into an entirely political, earthly ideology, starting with the brief earthly rule of our Prophet 1400 years ago. Islam does not even remotely begin or end there - a point that is entirely lost equally spectacularly by both you and the ISIS knuckleheads.

You and FD could have at any time asked me honestly and in good faith about the origin and nature of my 'peaceful' Islam, without trying to make it a point scoring exercise against silly, conflicted and/or dishonest muslims. But clearly it first requires you to stop this idiotic insistence of assuming my religion is fundamentally meterialistic. Then and only then it might dawn on you how utterly absurd FD's question here is - ie it defines Islam as nothing but a materialistic, temporal political ideology. As for Muhammad, yes I believe yours and FD's version of history is dishonest and wrong, but the real problem is defining the entire religion by the political decisions Muhammad the earthly ruler made. This is what leads you lot (moses is the worst) to misconstrue deeply spiritual and meaningful passages from the Quran that are in reality messages about your personal relationship with the almighty (which need not involve anyone else) - into shallow statements about earthly glory and dominating over others. And yes, absolutely the fact that so many muslims also buy into this brainless, shallow interpretation of Islam contributes massively to the problem.

Where did you find this 'deeply spiritual' BS Gandalf? The Bhagavad Gita?

Do you think the promotion of violence in the Koran and in the example set by Muhammad might be the cause of the "brainless, shallow interpretation" that so many Muslims have?

If you do not believe 'our version' of history, why are you afraid to answer these questions? Surely the answer alone does not reduce your religion to a violent warmongering pedophile murderer?

How many people do you believe the founder of your non-violent religion killed or oversaw the slaughter of? Round to the nearest thousand if you are not sure.

How much of the Koran do you believe is dedicated to the promotion of violence?

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Reply #54 - Sep 12^th, 2017 at 1:41am

freediver wrote on Sep 11^th, 2017 at 9:15pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 11^th, 2017 at 2:27pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 8^th, 2017 at 7:09pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 8^th, 2017 at 4:38pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 8^th, 2017 at 3:38pm:

Let's start with what they are eh?

Why bother? You are only interested in cornering me and scoring points. Your annoying little "eh" at the end betrays your impure motives.

But the real question here is why is this little entrapment exercise so important to you? Have you noticed FD your entire time here is spent playing your little game of "get the muslim (and his spineless apologists)" - rather than a genuine attempt to engage in dialogue and understanding? I wonder why you bother FD. What do you actually hope to achieve with these petty games? Is it some inadequacy you feel in real life?

He - and all of us - hope to achieve an honest answer from a Muslim to his questions. For example:

How many people do you believe the founder of your non-violent religion killed or oversaw the slaughter of? Round to the nearest thousand if you are not sure.

How much of the Koran do you believe is dedicated to the promotion of violence?

So that 'eh' is completely justified because there will never be an honest answer out of you. Why? because an honest answer to questions about Islam would have to make you leave Islam. You cannot be both honestly devout Muslim and honestly acknowledge thee absurdity of the Koran and the following of Mohammed. That is precisely why 'spineless' is the correct characterisation of people like you who want to pretend that they have reconciled the irreconcilable.

The dishonesty is FD's by pretending this is a genuine question about my beliefs. Instead of what we all know it is - laying out what is in fact a fringe historical version of Muhammad's rule that is almost unanimously rejected by actual historians, which paints him as a despicable bloodthirsty warmonger, and taunting me to admit this is my "peaceful" (snigger snigger) religious beliefs. Premising my personal religious beliefs on the assumption that I believe this nonsense version of history is bad enough, but the real problem here is reducing what I have found to be a deeply spiritual doctrine into an entirely political, earthly ideology, starting with the brief earthly rule of our Prophet 1400 years ago. Islam does not even remotely begin or end there - a point that is entirely lost equally spectacularly by both you and the ISIS knuckleheads.

You and FD could have at any time asked me honestly and in good faith about the origin and nature of my 'peaceful' Islam, without trying to make it a point scoring exercise against silly, conflicted and/or dishonest muslims. But clearly it first requires you to stop this idiotic insistence of assuming my religion is fundamentally meterialistic. Then and only then it might dawn on you how utterly absurd FD's question here is - ie it defines Islam as nothing but a materialistic, temporal political ideology. As for Muhammad, yes I believe yours and FD's version of history is dishonest and wrong, but the real problem is defining the entire religion by the political decisions Muhammad the earthly ruler made. This is what leads you lot (moses is the worst) to misconstrue deeply spiritual and meaningful passages from the Quran that are in reality messages about your personal relationship with the almighty (which need not involve anyone else) - into shallow statements about earthly glory and dominating over others. And yes, absolutely the fact that so many muslims also buy into this brainless, shallow interpretation of Islam contributes massively to the problem.

Where did you find this 'deeply spiritual' BS Gandalf? The Bhagavad Gita?

Do you think the promotion of violence in the Koran and in the example set by Muhammad might be the cause of the "brainless, shallow interpretation" that so many Muslims have?

If you do not believe 'our version' of history, why are you afraid to answer these questions? Surely the answer alone does not reduce your religion to a violent warmongering pedophile murderer?

How many people do you believe the founder of your non-violent religion killed or oversaw the slaughter of? Round to the nearest thousand if you are not sure.

How much of the Koran do you believe is dedicated to the promotion of violence?

Perhaps someone could tell FD the Bhagavad Gita is all about violence. I would, but he's not talking to me.

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Reply #55 - Sep 12^th, 2017 at 3:25pm

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This is what leads you lot (moses is the worst) to misconstrue deeply spiritual and meaningful passages from the Quran that are in reality messages about your personal relationship with the almighty (which need not involve anyone else)

I'm trying gandi honest;

qur'an 8.67: It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made a great slaughter in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise.

Really means tea and bickies 3 p.m. on the north eastern sand hill?

qur'an 2.216: Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.

Really means come to the love fest, main event is forelock tugging of little girls by old muslim men?

qur'an 4.74: Let those fight in the cause of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the cause of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.

Really means forelock tugging will be followed by the annual who can squat lowest competition peeing on (shoes? / thongs) penalty instant disqualification?

qur'an 4.89: They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of allah . But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper.

Really means the final event at the love fest will be the finals of the stepping into the toilet competition, who can put their left foot in first spaced by spitting three times to the left side.

I mean it's all just good clean fun, how the hell can so many muslims get it so wrong?

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Reply #56 - Sep 12^th, 2017 at 6:07pm

freediver wrote on Sep 11^th, 2017 at 9:15pm:

Where did you find this 'deeply spiritual' BS Gandalf?

First step was to actually read the Quran.

Whacky, I know.

freediver wrote on Sep 11^th, 2017 at 9:15pm:

If you do not believe 'our version' of history, why are you afraid to answer these questions?

I ignored the questions, because you ask them like a twat, who is only interested in sneering and scoring points. I thought I made that clear already. Read your own question to yourself FD, and ask yourself if its surprising at all that any reasonable person would respond by rolling their eyes and shaking their heads. Then not wasting another moment on it.

I also pointed out that the earthly rule of Muhammad has very little to do with the actual religion of Islam.

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Reply #57 - Sep 12^th, 2017 at 8:47pm

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I ignored the questions

No you didn't. You put enourmous effort into longwinded excuses for why you cannot possibly answer them. That is not the same as ignoring them. You feel compelled to respond, but not honestly.

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because you ask them like a twat, who is only interested in sneering and scoring points

I'm sure a deeply spiritual guy like yourself can find a way to respond honestly and untwattily.

Are you saying there is a way to ask that would get an honest answer from you Gandalf? Or is it the nature of the question itself that leads you down the histrionic path?

How many people do you believe the founder of your non-violent religion killed or oversaw the slaughter of? Round to the nearest thousand if you are not sure.

How much of the Koran do you believe is dedicated to the promotion of violence?

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I also pointed out that the earthly rule of Muhammad has very little to do with the actual religion of Islam.

That doesn't make sense either. A lot of the revelations in the Koran were conveniently timed to assist with Muhammad's earthly rule. Like chapter 9's encouragement to slaughter the infidel when the religion had previously been more tolerant.

Also, do thing's like Muhammad getting an instruction while taking a bath from the angel Gabriel to slaughter the Jews have anything to do with Islam? Surely talking to an angel is one of those deeply spiritual experiences you were referring to?

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Reply #58 - Sep 13^th, 2017 at 7:39am

freediver wrote on Sep 12^th, 2017 at 8:47pm:

No you didn't. You put enourmous effort into longwinded excuses for why you cannot possibly answer them.

translation: I ignored your questions and explained why I ignored them.

freediver wrote on Sep 12^th, 2017 at 8:47pm:

I'm sure a deeply spiritual guy like yourself can find a way to respond honestly and untwattily.

yes, like the honest and untwatty answer I already gave you.

freediver wrote on Sep 12^th, 2017 at 8:47pm:

Also, do thing's like Muhammad getting an instruction while taking a bath from the angel Gabriel to slaughter the Jews have anything to do with Islam?

Your reference is a hadith. Its not even in the Quran FD. See this is the problem when you attempt to lecture me on my beliefs - when you can't even understand the basic nature of Islamic text.

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Reply #59 - Sep 13^th, 2017 at 12:37pm

You forgot to answer the question Gandalf. Too busy condescendingly accusing people of misunderstanding Islam while refuse to explain your version of Islam?

Do thing's like Muhammad getting an instruction while taking a bath from the angel Gabriel to slaughter the Jews have anything to do with Islam? Surely talking to an angel while taking a bath is one of those deeply spiritual experiences you were referring to?

How about your version of history? You claim to reject 'ours'. But you are afraid to offer an alternative. Could you demonstrate how to phrase these questions in such a way that it is possible to get a straight answer from a Muslim? Or is that not possible?

How many people do you believe the founder of your non-violent religion killed or oversaw the slaughter of? Round to the nearest thousand if you are not sure.

How much of the Koran do you believe is dedicated to the promotion of violence?

Gandalf do you agree that a lot of the revelations in the Koran were conveniently timed to assist with Muhammad's earthly rule? Like chapter 9's encouragement to slaughter the infidel when the religion had previously been more tolerant? How exactly do Muslims take the 'context' of the Koran into account while ignoring Muhammad's situation and his response?

How many years did Muhammad spend preaching before he started murdering and robbing people? How many converts to Islam did he acquire in that period? How does this compare with his religious and financial success after he started murdering and robbing people? How does this fit in with your narrative that Islam is not a materialistic religion?

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