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Turnbull government heading for doomsday
Aug 31^st, 2017 at 4:29am

The Turnbull government is heading for a doomsday scenario in which its constitutionally controversial MPs are struck from Parliament and its postal survey on same-sex marriage is declared invalid, one of Australia's leading constitutional experts has predicted.
In a pessimistic address at the National Press Club on Wednesday, UNSW Dean of Law George Williams predicted the High Court would take a stern view of the seven MPs currently facing an eligibility probe because they were citizens of other countries.
He dismissed Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull's confidence in the outcome as "misplaced", including the PM's prediction that Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce would be cleared by the court.
"Joyce may survive the High Court challenge, but personally I would be surprised if he does so," Professor Williams said. "It is difficult to see, if the current law is applied, that any of the seven parliamentarians who will face the High Court are likely to survive that challenge."
That is because it was unclear what "reasonable steps" the MPs had taken to ensure they met the requirements, he said, unless the court decided to take a more liberal view of the law. But it was "hard to see why the High Court would fashion an exemption", he said.
Professor Williams also said he expected the same-sex marriage postal survey to be struck down. The government has bypassed Parliament using a special fund reserved for "urgent and unforeseen" matters, but given MPs have spoken publicly about the issue for so long, that would be a "tough ask" to justify in court, Professor Williams said.
"It has the appearance of a round peg in a square hole," he said. "What about this survey is urgent, except for the fact that it is necessary because of the government's own political imperatives?"

http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/constitutional-expert-predicts-high-cour...

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juliar Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 22966	Re: Turnbull government heading for doomsday Reply #1 - Aug 31^st, 2017 at 7:41am Even MORE fake news from LW. All this fake news suggest that LW is getting worried as he realizes Bull S. does not have a snowball's hope in Hell of ever winning the election.
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Re: Turnbull government heading for doomsday
Reply #2 - Aug 31^st, 2017 at 9:21am

Its time wrote on Aug 31^st, 2017 at 4:29am:

The Turnbull government is heading for a doomsday scenario in which its constitutionally controversial MPs are struck from Parliament and its postal survey on same-sex marriage is declared invalid, one of Australia's leading constitutional experts has predicted.
In a pessimistic address at the National Press Club on Wednesday, UNSW Dean of Law George Williams predicted the High Court would take a stern view of the seven MPs currently facing an eligibility probe because they were citizens of other countries.
He dismissed Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull's confidence in the outcome as "misplaced", including the PM's prediction that Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce would be cleared by the court.
"Joyce may survive the High Court challenge, but personally I would be surprised if he does so," Professor Williams said. "It is difficult to see, if the current law is applied, that any of the seven parliamentarians who will face the High Court are likely to survive that challenge."
That is because it was unclear what "reasonable steps" the MPs had taken to ensure they met the requirements, he said, unless the court decided to take a more liberal view of the law. But it was "hard to see why the High Court would fashion an exemption", he said.
Professor Williams also said he expected the same-sex marriage postal survey to be struck down. The government has bypassed Parliament using a special fund reserved for "urgent and unforeseen" matters, but given MPs have spoken publicly about the issue for so long, that would be a "tough ask" to justify in court, Professor Williams said.
"It has the appearance of a round peg in a square hole," he said. "What about this survey is urgent, except for the fact that it is necessary because of the government's own political imperatives?"

http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/constitutional-expert-predicts-high-cour...

Sounds spot on to me. I am one who despises the Greens as a bunch of pretend progressives but Ludlam and Waters had the fortitude to resign from the Senate. Baa Baa Baarnaby is a disgrace, all the more a disgrace in contrast to the two Greens.

The postal opinion poll is a waste of money that will not change a single vote in Parliament, time to just change the Marriage Act.

God I despise the the Lib shambles pretending to be a government!

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____ Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33410 Australia Gender:	Re: Turnbull government heading for doomsday Reply #3 - Aug 31^st, 2017 at 9:24am juliar wrote on Aug 31^st, 2017 at 7:41am: Even MORE fake news from LW. All this fake news suggest that LW is getting worried as he realizes Bull S. does not have a snowball's hope in Hell of ever winning the election. Another Madam Tussauds' wax ball readings.
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Re: Turnbull government heading for doomsday
Reply #4 - Aug 31^st, 2017 at 9:24am

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 31^st, 2017 at 9:21am:

Its time wrote on Aug 31^st, 2017 at 4:29am:

The Turnbull government is heading for a doomsday scenario in which its constitutionally controversial MPs are struck from Parliament and its postal survey on same-sex marriage is declared invalid, one of Australia's leading constitutional experts has predicted.
In a pessimistic address at the National Press Club on Wednesday, UNSW Dean of Law George Williams predicted the High Court would take a stern view of the seven MPs currently facing an eligibility probe because they were citizens of other countries.
He dismissed Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull's confidence in the outcome as "misplaced", including the PM's prediction that Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce would be cleared by the court.
"Joyce may survive the High Court challenge, but personally I would be surprised if he does so," Professor Williams said. "It is difficult to see, if the current law is applied, that any of the seven parliamentarians who will face the High Court are likely to survive that challenge."
That is because it was unclear what "reasonable steps" the MPs had taken to ensure they met the requirements, he said, unless the court decided to take a more liberal view of the law. But it was "hard to see why the High Court would fashion an exemption", he said.
Professor Williams also said he expected the same-sex marriage postal survey to be struck down. The government has bypassed Parliament using a special fund reserved for "urgent and unforeseen" matters, but given MPs have spoken publicly about the issue for so long, that would be a "tough ask" to justify in court, Professor Williams said.
"It has the appearance of a round peg in a square hole," he said. "What about this survey is urgent, except for the fact that it is necessary because of the government's own political imperatives?"

http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/constitutional-expert-predicts-high-cour...

Sounds spot on to me. I am one who despises the Greens as a bunch of pretend progressives but Ludlam and Waters had the fortitude to resign from the Senate. Baa Baa Baarnaby is a disgrace, all the more a disgrace in contrast to the two Greens.

The postal opinion poll is a waste of money that will not change a single vote in Parliament, time to just change the Marriage Act.

God I despise the the Lib shambles pretending to be a government!

they were BORN OVERSEAS..

but you admire a shonkey senate and leftard opposition out to destroy and divide... Angry

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Online Dogs not cats! Posts: 47898 Gender:	Re: Turnbull government heading for doomsday Reply #5 - Aug 31^st, 2017 at 9:42am Yeah it is a shonky Senate—quite a few Nats shown to be dual citizens and so ineligible to sit, yet sit they do. It is BLOODY FORTUNATE we have an obstructive Senate as the Lib shambles would have us in smoking ruins by now if they could have got their crap laws and Budgets through the Senate!
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Re: Turnbull government heading for doomsday
Reply #6 - Aug 31^st, 2017 at 9:45am

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 31^st, 2017 at 9:42am:

Yeah it is a shonky Senate—quite a few Nats shown to be dual citizens and so ineligible to sit, yet sit they do.

It is BLOODY FORTUNATE we have an obstructive Senate as the Lib shambles would have us in smoking ruins by now if they could have got their crap laws and Budgets through the Senate!

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juliar Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 22966	Re: Turnbull government heading for doomsday Reply #7 - Aug 31^st, 2017 at 6:01pm LW's talk about doomsday is really about Bull S. his hero.
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Re: Turnbull government heading for doomsday
Reply #8 - Aug 31^st, 2017 at 6:08pm

cods wrote on Aug 31^st, 2017 at 9:24am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 31^st, 2017 at 9:21am:

Its time wrote on Aug 31^st, 2017 at 4:29am:

The Turnbull government is heading for a doomsday scenario in which its constitutionally controversial MPs are struck from Parliament and its postal survey on same-sex marriage is declared invalid, one of Australia's leading constitutional experts has predicted.
In a pessimistic address at the National Press Club on Wednesday, UNSW Dean of Law George Williams predicted the High Court would take a stern view of the seven MPs currently facing an eligibility probe because they were citizens of other countries.
He dismissed Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull's confidence in the outcome as "misplaced", including the PM's prediction that Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce would be cleared by the court.
"Joyce may survive the High Court challenge, but personally I would be surprised if he does so," Professor Williams said. "It is difficult to see, if the current law is applied, that any of the seven parliamentarians who will face the High Court are likely to survive that challenge."
That is because it was unclear what "reasonable steps" the MPs had taken to ensure they met the requirements, he said, unless the court decided to take a more liberal view of the law. But it was "hard to see why the High Court would fashion an exemption", he said.
Professor Williams also said he expected the same-sex marriage postal survey to be struck down. The government has bypassed Parliament using a special fund reserved for "urgent and unforeseen" matters, but given MPs have spoken publicly about the issue for so long, that would be a "tough ask" to justify in court, Professor Williams said.
"It has the appearance of a round peg in a square hole," he said. "What about this survey is urgent, except for the fact that it is necessary because of the government's own political imperatives?"

http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/constitutional-expert-predicts-high-cour...

Sounds spot on to me. I am one who despises the Greens as a bunch of pretend progressives but Ludlam and Waters had the fortitude to resign from the Senate. Baa Baa Baarnaby is a disgrace, all the more a disgrace in contrast to the two Greens.

The postal opinion poll is a waste of money that will not change a single vote in Parliament, time to just change the Marriage Act.

God I despise the the Lib shambles pretending to be a government!

they were BORN OVERSEAS..

but you admire a shonkey senate and leftard opposition out to destroy and divide... Angry

Having trouble coping on another issue eh cods! Grin

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juliar Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 22966	Re: Turnbull government heading for doomsday Reply #9 - Aug 31^st, 2017 at 6:12pm The Lefties have lost the argument as soon as they start attacking the posters.
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Redmond Neck Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 21747 ACT Gender:	Re: Turnbull government heading for doomsday Reply #10 - Aug 31^st, 2017 at 6:17pm juliar wrote on Aug 31^st, 2017 at 6:12pm: The Lefties have lost the argument as soon as they start attacking the posters. But they aren't the Ju Liar "Whatcha talking bout willis!"
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