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Re: Musims and gay marriage
Reply #15 - Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:03pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 8:58pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 8:07pm:

Oh look, Baron forgot to quote the bits from his own article that prove him wrong:

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But the Muslim community's view is not unanimous.

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In a press release, Muslims for Marriage Equality spokesman Fahad Ali, former peer educator with the AIDS council of NSW, stated: "There is a diversity in belief and opinion on equal marriage within the Muslim community … there is a strong thread of egalitarianism and social justice within the Koran and we think that it is very applicable to the question of same-sex marriage."

yes, diversity. 3% are for, and 97% against.

So you agree Baron was wrong then?

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Reply #16 - Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:04pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:03pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 8:58pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 8:07pm:

Oh look, Baron forgot to quote the bits from his own article that prove him wrong:

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But the Muslim community's view is not unanimous.

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In a press release, Muslims for Marriage Equality spokesman Fahad Ali, former peer educator with the AIDS council of NSW, stated: "There is a diversity in belief and opinion on equal marriage within the Muslim community … there is a strong thread of egalitarianism and social justice within the Koran and we think that it is very applicable to the question of same-sex marriage."

yes, diversity. 3% are for, and 97% against.

So you agree Baron was wrong then?

On the statement of 'All'? Yes, definitely.

is that what's important to you? How do you feel about the fact that the majority of the muslim world world doesn't agree with your position on homosexuality, and their belief comes from yet again their understanding of their little antiquated book and the life of their warlord? Let's not worry about that, let's instead worry that Baron said 'All' rather than 'majority'.

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Reply #17 - Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:06pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:01pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 8:09pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 7:42pm:

Gordon wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 7:22pm:

One day Muslims and the hard right will work out they actually have a lot in common.

yes, hilarious how the regressive left is physically violent with one group, and all motherly and loving with the other. And yet, both would throw a homosexual off a rooftop.

Ummm, i'm pretty sure that most of the people that get violent with Nazis and their ilk would get violent over someone being thrown off a building.

Or do you expect them just to tackle random Muslims in the street? Grab a hijab maybe?

Oh I'm not so sure. We know that when it comes to regressives, there is one opinion when it comes to the majority, but when it's a minority they quickly stutter and shy away. Don't get me wrong, on most liberal issues that regressives fight for I agree. I just wish they were consistent, but for some reason the colour of someone's skin, or their belief in a certain type of religion, somehow makes regressives react differently. Look at you for example - I do admire how you fight for women's rights for white folk. But the moment it's about the Muslim population and all of sudden you're all like, 'The niqab is a powerful feminist statement' and what not. Just a hypocrite.

Perhaps you would like to produce the evidence of me ever saying such a thing?

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Reply #18 - Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:07pm

mothra wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:06pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:01pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 8:09pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 7:42pm:

Gordon wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 7:22pm:

One day Muslims and the hard right will work out they actually have a lot in common.

yes, hilarious how the regressive left is physically violent with one group, and all motherly and loving with the other. And yet, both would throw a homosexual off a rooftop.

Ummm, i'm pretty sure that most of the people that get violent with Nazis and their ilk would get violent over someone being thrown off a building.

Or do you expect them just to tackle random Muslims in the street? Grab a hijab maybe?

Oh I'm not so sure. We know that when it comes to regressives, there is one opinion when it comes to the majority, but when it's a minority they quickly stutter and shy away. Don't get me wrong, on most liberal issues that regressives fight for I agree. I just wish they were consistent, but for some reason the colour of someone's skin, or their belief in a certain type of religion, somehow makes regressives react differently. Look at you for example - I do admire how you fight for women's rights for white folk. But the moment it's about the Muslim population and all of sudden you're all like, 'The niqab is a powerful feminist statement' and what not. Just a hypocrite.

Perhaps you would like to produce the evidence of me ever saying such a thing?

every day you write on this forum you demonstrate this.

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Reply #19 - Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:08pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:07pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:06pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:01pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 8:09pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 7:42pm:

Gordon wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 7:22pm:

One day Muslims and the hard right will work out they actually have a lot in common.

yes, hilarious how the regressive left is physically violent with one group, and all motherly and loving with the other. And yet, both would throw a homosexual off a rooftop.

Ummm, i'm pretty sure that most of the people that get violent with Nazis and their ilk would get violent over someone being thrown off a building.

Or do you expect them just to tackle random Muslims in the street? Grab a hijab maybe?

Oh I'm not so sure. We know that when it comes to regressives, there is one opinion when it comes to the majority, but when it's a minority they quickly stutter and shy away. Don't get me wrong, on most liberal issues that regressives fight for I agree. I just wish they were consistent, but for some reason the colour of someone's skin, or their belief in a certain type of religion, somehow makes regressives react differently. Look at you for example - I do admire how you fight for women's rights for white folk. But the moment it's about the Muslim population and all of sudden you're all like, 'The niqab is a powerful feminist statement' and what not. Just a hypocrite.

Perhaps you would like to produce the evidence of me ever saying such a thing?

every day you write on this forum you demonstrate this.

Then surely you can provide an example. Thanks.

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If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.

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Reply #20 - Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:11pm

mothra wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:08pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:07pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:06pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:01pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 8:09pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 7:42pm:

Gordon wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 7:22pm:

One day Muslims and the hard right will work out they actually have a lot in common.

yes, hilarious how the regressive left is physically violent with one group, and all motherly and loving with the other. And yet, both would throw a homosexual off a rooftop.

Ummm, i'm pretty sure that most of the people that get violent with Nazis and their ilk would get violent over someone being thrown off a building.

Or do you expect them just to tackle random Muslims in the street? Grab a hijab maybe?

Oh I'm not so sure. We know that when it comes to regressives, there is one opinion when it comes to the majority, but when it's a minority they quickly stutter and shy away. Don't get me wrong, on most liberal issues that regressives fight for I agree. I just wish they were consistent, but for some reason the colour of someone's skin, or their belief in a certain type of religion, somehow makes regressives react differently. Look at you for example - I do admire how you fight for women's rights for white folk. But the moment it's about the Muslim population and all of sudden you're all like, 'The niqab is a powerful feminist statement' and what not. Just a hypocrite.

Perhaps you would like to produce the evidence of me ever saying such a thing?

every day you write on this forum you demonstrate this.

Then surely you can provide an example. Thanks.

well we can start with how the entire muslims and feminism thread got started by freediver. You seem to ignore completely the plight of women in the muslim world, but if the women of the western world were under the same you would be going insane right now (And rightfully so). instead you tell us of how you admire of the very smlal minute community of muslim women who try and pretend that they can be muslim and feminists as one.

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Reply #21 - Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:18pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:11pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:08pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:07pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:06pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:01pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 8:09pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 7:42pm:

Gordon wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 7:22pm:

One day Muslims and the hard right will work out they actually have a lot in common.

yes, hilarious how the regressive left is physically violent with one group, and all motherly and loving with the other. And yet, both would throw a homosexual off a rooftop.

Ummm, i'm pretty sure that most of the people that get violent with Nazis and their ilk would get violent over someone being thrown off a building.

Or do you expect them just to tackle random Muslims in the street? Grab a hijab maybe?

Oh I'm not so sure. We know that when it comes to regressives, there is one opinion when it comes to the majority, but when it's a minority they quickly stutter and shy away. Don't get me wrong, on most liberal issues that regressives fight for I agree. I just wish they were consistent, but for some reason the colour of someone's skin, or their belief in a certain type of religion, somehow makes regressives react differently. Look at you for example - I do admire how you fight for women's rights for white folk. But the moment it's about the Muslim population and all of sudden you're all like, 'The niqab is a powerful feminist statement' and what not. Just a hypocrite.

Perhaps you would like to produce the evidence of me ever saying such a thing?

every day you write on this forum you demonstrate this.

Then surely you can provide an example. Thanks.

well we can start with how the entire muslims and feminism thread got started by freediver. You seem to ignore completely the plight of women in the muslim world, but if the women of the western world were under the same you would be going insane right now (And rightfully so). instead you tell us of how you admire of the very smlal minute community of muslim women who try and pretend that they can be muslim and feminists as one.

I most certainly do not. I write letters; sign petitions; join groups; lobby politicians; disseminate information; speak for these woman on many platforms.

On this particular platform, everyone is over-focussed on hanging poo on Muslims that the only reflection on these women is emotional leverage. What do you want me to do? Join in? Can't, sorry. I'll call you all on it instead.

Because while you're all frothing at the mouth about everything Muslim, people are getting poo done. I like to talk about those people. I think, considering how much everyone hates everything Muslim on here they would be pleased to know it isn't all the way they think it is.

They're not. You're not.

So you feed the bad and diminish the good. Genius.

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Reply #23 - Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:27pm

mothra wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:18pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:11pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:08pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:07pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:06pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:01pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 8:09pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 7:42pm:

Gordon wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 7:22pm:

One day Muslims and the hard right will work out they actually have a lot in common.

yes, hilarious how the regressive left is physically violent with one group, and all motherly and loving with the other. And yet, both would throw a homosexual off a rooftop.

Ummm, i'm pretty sure that most of the people that get violent with Nazis and their ilk would get violent over someone being thrown off a building.

Or do you expect them just to tackle random Muslims in the street? Grab a hijab maybe?

Oh I'm not so sure. We know that when it comes to regressives, there is one opinion when it comes to the majority, but when it's a minority they quickly stutter and shy away. Don't get me wrong, on most liberal issues that regressives fight for I agree. I just wish they were consistent, but for some reason the colour of someone's skin, or their belief in a certain type of religion, somehow makes regressives react differently. Look at you for example - I do admire how you fight for women's rights for white folk. But the moment it's about the Muslim population and all of sudden you're all like, 'The niqab is a powerful feminist statement' and what not. Just a hypocrite.

Perhaps you would like to produce the evidence of me ever saying such a thing?

every day you write on this forum you demonstrate this.

Then surely you can provide an example. Thanks.

well we can start with how the entire muslims and feminism thread got started by freediver. You seem to ignore completely the plight of women in the muslim world, but if the women of the western world were under the same you would be going insane right now (And rightfully so). instead you tell us of how you admire of the very smlal minute community of muslim women who try and pretend that they can be muslim and feminists as one.

I most certainly do not. I write letters; sign petitions; join groups; lobby politicians; disseminate information; speak for these woman on many platforms.

On this particular platform, everyone is over-focussed on hanging poo on Muslims that the only reflection on these women is emotional leverage. What do you want me to do? Join in? Can't, sorry. I'll call you all on it instead.

Because while you're all frothing at the mouth about everything Muslim, people are getting poo done. I like to talk about those people. I think, considering how much everyone hates everything Muslim on here they would be pleased to know it isn't all the way they think it is.

They're not. You're not.

So you feed the bad and diminish the good. Genius.

Oh? Women aren't being stoned to deeath for being raped then? Awesome, when did that change?

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Reply #24 - Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:29pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:27pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:18pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:11pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:08pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:07pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:06pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:01pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 8:09pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 7:42pm:

Gordon wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 7:22pm:

One day Muslims and the hard right will work out they actually have a lot in common.

yes, hilarious how the regressive left is physically violent with one group, and all motherly and loving with the other. And yet, both would throw a homosexual off a rooftop.

Ummm, i'm pretty sure that most of the people that get violent with Nazis and their ilk would get violent over someone being thrown off a building.

Or do you expect them just to tackle random Muslims in the street? Grab a hijab maybe?

Oh I'm not so sure. We know that when it comes to regressives, there is one opinion when it comes to the majority, but when it's a minority they quickly stutter and shy away. Don't get me wrong, on most liberal issues that regressives fight for I agree. I just wish they were consistent, but for some reason the colour of someone's skin, or their belief in a certain type of religion, somehow makes regressives react differently. Look at you for example - I do admire how you fight for women's rights for white folk. But the moment it's about the Muslim population and all of sudden you're all like, 'The niqab is a powerful feminist statement' and what not. Just a hypocrite.

Perhaps you would like to produce the evidence of me ever saying such a thing?

every day you write on this forum you demonstrate this.

Then surely you can provide an example. Thanks.

well we can start with how the entire muslims and feminism thread got started by freediver. You seem to ignore completely the plight of women in the muslim world, but if the women of the western world were under the same you would be going insane right now (And rightfully so). instead you tell us of how you admire of the very smlal minute community of muslim women who try and pretend that they can be muslim and feminists as one.

I most certainly do not. I write letters; sign petitions; join groups; lobby politicians; disseminate information; speak for these woman on many platforms.

On this particular platform, everyone is over-focussed on hanging poo on Muslims that the only reflection on these women is emotional leverage. What do you want me to do? Join in? Can't, sorry. I'll call you all on it instead.

Because while you're all frothing at the mouth about everything Muslim, people are getting poo done. I like to talk about those people. I think, considering how much everyone hates everything Muslim on here they would be pleased to know it isn't all the way they think it is.

They're not. You're not.

So you feed the bad and diminish the good. Genius.

Oh? Women aren't being stoned to deeath for being raped then? Awesome, when did that change?

Now where did i say that? Honestly ... Roll Eyes

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Reply #25 - Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:31pm

freediver wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:19pm:

Mothra is very active in that thread. She is justifying her inability to respond to the topic by saying it is not fun.

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Because while you're all frothing at the mouth about everything Muslim, people are getting poo done.

Stopping the newly resurgent Islamic sex slave industry? How mothra? Writing letters?

No FD. I said you were not fun. You're not. You're a pathological liar and perhaps the worst pedant i have ever encountered.

And you absolutely never answer questions to allow people to define the incessant questions you ask them ... leaving them either answering as you want or tapdancing like jellyfish.

It's just really, really boring.

I don't want to play with you.

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Reply #26 - Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:32pm

mothra wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:29pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:27pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:18pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:11pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:08pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:07pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:06pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:01pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 8:09pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 7:42pm:

Gordon wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 7:22pm:

One day Muslims and the hard right will work out they actually have a lot in common.

yes, hilarious how the regressive left is physically violent with one group, and all motherly and loving with the other. And yet, both would throw a homosexual off a rooftop.

Ummm, i'm pretty sure that most of the people that get violent with Nazis and their ilk would get violent over someone being thrown off a building.

Or do you expect them just to tackle random Muslims in the street? Grab a hijab maybe?

Oh I'm not so sure. We know that when it comes to regressives, there is one opinion when it comes to the majority, but when it's a minority they quickly stutter and shy away. Don't get me wrong, on most liberal issues that regressives fight for I agree. I just wish they were consistent, but for some reason the colour of someone's skin, or their belief in a certain type of religion, somehow makes regressives react differently. Look at you for example - I do admire how you fight for women's rights for white folk. But the moment it's about the Muslim population and all of sudden you're all like, 'The niqab is a powerful feminist statement' and what not. Just a hypocrite.

Perhaps you would like to produce the evidence of me ever saying such a thing?

every day you write on this forum you demonstrate this.

Then surely you can provide an example. Thanks.

well we can start with how the entire muslims and feminism thread got started by freediver. You seem to ignore completely the plight of women in the muslim world, but if the women of the western world were under the same you would be going insane right now (And rightfully so). instead you tell us of how you admire of the very smlal minute community of muslim women who try and pretend that they can be muslim and feminists as one.

I most certainly do not. I write letters; sign petitions; join groups; lobby politicians; disseminate information; speak for these woman on many platforms.

On this particular platform, everyone is over-focussed on hanging poo on Muslims that the only reflection on these women is emotional leverage. What do you want me to do? Join in? Can't, sorry. I'll call you all on it instead.

Because while you're all frothing at the mouth about everything Muslim, people are getting poo done. I like to talk about those people. I think, considering how much everyone hates everything Muslim on here they would be pleased to know it isn't all the way they think it is.

They're not. You're not.

So you feed the bad and diminish the good. Genius.

Oh? Women aren't being stoned to deeath for being raped then? Awesome, when did that change?

Now where did i say that? Honestly ... Roll Eyes

Is this the part of Islam that you love?

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Reply #28 - Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:35pm

mothra wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:33pm:

And where did i say i loved Islam?

Alevine, you're being very, very silly.

I never said you loved Islam. I asked what parts of Islam you love. You said there are good things - I'd like to know what they are. And more specifically, for feminists, what are the good parts of Islam, in comparison to ... say... a secular life where you don't believe in magical fairies.

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Reply #29 - Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:37pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:35pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:33pm:

And where did i say i loved Islam?

Alevine, you're being very, very silly.

I never said you loved Islam. I asked what parts of Islam you love. You said there are good things - I'd like to know what they are. And more specifically, for feminists, what are the good parts of Islam, in comparison to ... say... a secular life where you don't believe in magical fairies.

Thus implying i love parts of Islam, rrrrrrrrrright?

Look, have you been studying FD or something?

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