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Reply #45 - Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:30pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:28pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:22pm:

And my head's not in the sand at all. I'd wager i know considerably more about women's rights in Middle Eastern countries than you.

I would love the chance to discuss them sensibly on here. Alas, this isn't the forum for that.

Mothra you may know all about women rights In The Middle East, but the problem is you do little to change it with your constant silence, and attacking people who happen to raise concerns about it.

You're really not getting it, are you.

You don't want to represent these women. You want to hang poo on Islam and those women are a vehicle for you ... like every other Islamophobe on this forum.

It's impossible to have a reasonable discussion with you.

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Reply #46 - Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:31pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:28pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:28pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:24pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:21pm:

Yet the people who express Islam as i choose to legitimise it say those people have got it all wrong.

I like their version better.

Like i like the church i grew up in more than Hillsong, although i'm not religious anymore.

How pretty. I'm sure the woman being stoned to death after a gang tape appreciates you like the other version better. Keep ignoring the version she's facing, let's see how many more can be killed and tortured before you wake up.

Same tactics. Again.

it's really boring, Alevine.

Do you have any idea how many women's lives i've campaigned to save? Spare me your self-righteous superiority, because your more bigoted than me.

Get back to me when you want to talk about those women in other other way than as a pawn in your game.

How am I bigoted?

This is a gee up, yeah?

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Reply #47 - Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:33pm

mothra wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:30pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:28pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:22pm:

And my head's not in the sand at all. I'd wager i know considerably more about women's rights in Middle Eastern countries than you.

I would love the chance to discuss them sensibly on here. Alas, this isn't the forum for that.

Mothra you may know all about women rights In The Middle East, but the problem is you do little to change it with your constant silence, and attacking people who happen to raise concerns about it.

You're really not getting it, are you.

You don't want to represent these women. You want to hang poo on Islam and those women are a vehicle for you ... like every other Islamophobe on this forum.

It's impossible to have a reasonable discussion with you.

No, I hang poo on Islam because Islam is the vehicle being used against these women and their rights. You're just too conflicted to comprehend. Not sure what you're conflicted about, actually, given you're not Muslim. Is it a skin colour thing, mothra? If these were white women would you care more?

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Reply #48 - Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:34pm

mothra wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:31pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:28pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:28pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:24pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:21pm:

Yet the people who express Islam as i choose to legitimise it say those people have got it all wrong.

I like their version better.

Like i like the church i grew up in more than Hillsong, although i'm not religious anymore.

How pretty. I'm sure the woman being stoned to death after a gang tape appreciates you like the other version better. Keep ignoring the version she's facing, let's see how many more can be killed and tortured before you wake up.

Same tactics. Again.

it's really boring, Alevine.

Do you have any idea how many women's lives i've campaigned to save? Spare me your self-righteous superiority, because your more bigoted than me.

Get back to me when you want to talk about those women in other other way than as a pawn in your game.

How am I bigoted?

This is a gee up, yeah?

You made the claim, I'd appreciate some sort of explaination.

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Reply #49 - Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:37pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:33pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:30pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:28pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:22pm:

And my head's not in the sand at all. I'd wager i know considerably more about women's rights in Middle Eastern countries than you.

I would love the chance to discuss them sensibly on here. Alas, this isn't the forum for that.

Mothra you may know all about women rights In The Middle East, but the problem is you do little to change it with your constant silence, and attacking people who happen to raise concerns about it.

You're really not getting it, are you.

You don't want to represent these women. You want to hang poo on Islam and those women are a vehicle for you ... like every other Islamophobe on this forum.

It's impossible to have a reasonable discussion with you.

No, I hang poo on Islam because Islam is the vehicle being used against these women and their rights. You're just too conflicted to comprehend. Not sure what you're conflicted about, actually, given you're not Muslim. Is it a skin colour thing, mothra? If these were white women would you care more?

Yet so many who practice Islam neither do those things or condone those things being done. They say none of that is in the Quran.

And other demographics do all of those things .. so you're obviously focusing on the wrong common denominator.

But honestly, try telling you lot that.

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Reply #50 - Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:38pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:34pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:31pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:28pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:28pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:24pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:21pm:

Yet the people who express Islam as i choose to legitimise it say those people have got it all wrong.

I like their version better.

Like i like the church i grew up in more than Hillsong, although i'm not religious anymore.

How pretty. I'm sure the woman being stoned to death after a gang tape appreciates you like the other version better. Keep ignoring the version she's facing, let's see how many more can be killed and tortured before you wake up.

Same tactics. Again.

it's really boring, Alevine.

Do you have any idea how many women's lives i've campaigned to save? Spare me your self-righteous superiority, because your more bigoted than me.

Get back to me when you want to talk about those women in other other way than as a pawn in your game.

How am I bigoted?

This is a gee up, yeah?

You made the claim, I'd appreciate some sort of explaination.

You don't consider that just maybe, your opinions on Islam are a little bigoted? Or at least your expressions of those opinions?

For instance, you are being quite bigoted in this thread. Have you not noticed?

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Reply #51 - Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:41pm

mothra wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:38pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:34pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:31pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:28pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:28pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:24pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:21pm:

Yet the people who express Islam as i choose to legitimise it say those people have got it all wrong.

I like their version better.

Like i like the church i grew up in more than Hillsong, although i'm not religious anymore.

How pretty. I'm sure the woman being stoned to death after a gang tape appreciates you like the other version better. Keep ignoring the version she's facing, let's see how many more can be killed and tortured before you wake up.

Same tactics. Again.

it's really boring, Alevine.

Do you have any idea how many women's lives i've campaigned to save? Spare me your self-righteous superiority, because your more bigoted than me.

Get back to me when you want to talk about those women in other other way than as a pawn in your game.

How am I bigoted?

This is a gee up, yeah?

You made the claim, I'd appreciate some sort of explaination.

You don't consider that just maybe, your opinions on Islam are a little bigoted? Or at least your expressions of those opinions?

For instance, you are being quite bigoted in this thread. Have you not noticed?

How so? Example it if you're finding it difficult to explain.

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35267 Gender:	Re: Musims and gay marriage Reply #52 - Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:44pm Well, acting surprised that there might be some good things about Islam and requesting examples as evidence was a bit bigoted, wouldn't you say?
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Reply #53 - Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:49pm

mothra wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:44pm:

Well, acting surprised that there might be some good things about Islam and requesting examples as evidence was a bit bigoted, wouldn't you say?

about the current state of Islam? I wasn't surprised that there would be some good, as there is some good in everything (even fascism brings together people to a common cause so you can say that's good), I'm surprised you would choose to concentrate on the good when there is so much bad. And speaking of the good, have you got examples that show Malala, for instance, advocates because of the behaviour she learnt through Islam? Please share.

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Reply #54 - Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:53pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:49pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:44pm:

Well, acting surprised that there might be some good things about Islam and requesting examples as evidence was a bit bigoted, wouldn't you say?

about the current state of Islam? I wasn't surprised that there would be some good, as there is some good in everything (even fascism brings together people to a common cause so you can say that's good), I'm surprised you would choose to concentrate on the good when there is so much bad. And speaking of the good, have you got examples that show Malala, for instance, advocates because of the behaviour she learnt through Islam? Please share.

Oh good. We've played the card that compares Islam to oppressive systems of government.

Not at all bigoted.

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Reply #55 - Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:59pm

mothra wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:53pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:49pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:44pm:

Well, acting surprised that there might be some good things about Islam and requesting examples as evidence was a bit bigoted, wouldn't you say?

about the current state of Islam? I wasn't surprised that there would be some good, as there is some good in everything (even fascism brings together people to a common cause so you can say that's good), I'm surprised you would choose to concentrate on the good when there is so much bad. And speaking of the good, have you got examples that show Malala, for instance, advocates because of the behaviour she learnt through Islam? Please share.

Oh good. We've played the card that compares Islam to oppressive systems of government.

Not at all bigoted.

Did I compare? I simply said there is good in everything, but it doesn't mean the OVERALL thing is good. Geez, you're really going bonkers today, mothra.

On a side note though, given you've raised it, I don't actually see that much difference between a repressive religion and a repressive political system. I know it is forbidden amongst regressives to talk about repressive religions (at least when it comes to Islam), but none the less the outcome to people is the same. As demonstrated time and again by things such as women being stoned to death for being gangraped. Or things like the Sunni vs Shiite butchery.

Examples of me being bigoted, please.

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Reply #56 - Sep 1^st, 2017 at 11:04pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:59pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:53pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:49pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:44pm:

Well, acting surprised that there might be some good things about Islam and requesting examples as evidence was a bit bigoted, wouldn't you say?

about the current state of Islam? I wasn't surprised that there would be some good, as there is some good in everything (even fascism brings together people to a common cause so you can say that's good), I'm surprised you would choose to concentrate on the good when there is so much bad. And speaking of the good, have you got examples that show Malala, for instance, advocates because of the behaviour she learnt through Islam? Please share.

Oh good. We've played the card that compares Islam to oppressive systems of government.

Not at all bigoted.

Did I compare? I simply said there is good in everything, but it doesn't mean the OVERALL thing is good. Geez, you're really going bonkers today, mothra.

On a side note though, given you've raised it, I don't actually see that much difference between a repressive religion and a repressive political system. I know it is forbidden amongst regressives to talk about repressive religions (at least when it comes to Islam), but none the less the outcome to people is the same. As demonstrated time and again by things such as women being stoned to death for being gangraped. Or things like the Sunni vs Shiite butchery.

Examples of me being bigoted, please.

You're not getting it, Alevine. I don't think you can say that Islam is a repressive religion because some people use it to repress people any more than you can say of any other religion. There are just too many Muslims that aren't repressed by their interpretation of their religion.

I don't know how many ways i can say it.

Or how many times.

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Reply #57 - Sep 1^st, 2017 at 11:04pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 8:03pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 6:58pm:

All muslims agree the death penalty is called for with homosexuals they only differ on what method is used to execute them.

I don't. Do you agree that makes you wrong Baron?

Your views would be in spite of Islamic teaching not because of Islamic teaching.

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Reply #58 - Sep 1^st, 2017 at 11:07pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 8:07pm:

Oh look, Baron forgot to quote the bits from his own article that prove him wrong:

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But the Muslim community's view is not unanimous.

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In a press release, Muslims for Marriage Equality spokesman Fahad Ali, former peer educator with the AIDS council of NSW, stated: "There is a diversity in belief and opinion on equal marriage within the Muslim community … there is a strong thread of egalitarianism and social justice within the Koran and we think that it is very applicable to the question of same-sex marriage."

He also said this Gandalf, what did he mean by this?

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We are afraid if we come out with our opinion then the left may abandon us for going against their view

Why would the left abandon muslims if they were pro gay marriage?

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Reply #59 - Sep 1^st, 2017 at 11:16pm

mothra wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:45pm:

Oh. So we're quantifying Muslims by the ME? Any particular reason?

How about Pakistan? How about Malala Yousafzai? She seems to practice a very nice form of Islam. So does Gandalf. He's not from the Middle East though.

We could look at muslims in Somalia with Al Shaabab they are similar to al Qaeda and the Islamic state.
Aayan Hirsi Ali comes from there yet for some reason the feminists ignore ex muslim women who were victims of FGM and speak the truth about Islam.

We could look at the muslims in Nigeria with Boko Haram, did they kidnap hundreds of schoolgirls and force them to marry the mujahideen, why are the pseudo feminists silent about Boko haram?

Shirin Ebadi won a Nobel prize why did she flee from Iran when she supported the Islamic revolution in 1979?

As for Malala have you seen the honour killings in Pakistan which is 99% muslim?
She proves the saying those who flee the political, social,economic and moral failures of Islamic countries still come with Islam because they fail to recognise it is Islam that explains these political,social,economic and moral failures

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