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Reply #75 - Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 12:44am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 12:42am:

mothra wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 12:35am:

A summation worthy of FD himself!

that is meant to be insulting somehow? Mothra, what part of my summation was wrong? Be specific.

You only got one thing right, Alevine. And that is that you didn't technically compare Islam to fascism. You merely alluded to it.

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Reply #76 - Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 12:48am

mothra wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 12:44am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 12:42am:

mothra wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 12:35am:

A summation worthy of FD himself!

that is meant to be insulting somehow? Mothra, what part of my summation was wrong? Be specific.

You only got one thing right, Alevine. And that is that you didn't technically compare Islam to fascism. You merely alluded to it.

Not at all, I didn't even allude. I simply said there are many bad things which can still have parts that are good. For instance, fascism in that it brings people together for a common cause. How is that alluding to fascism being islam?

I mean, if we wish to discuss the similarities between Islam and Fascism we definitely can, but with that actual comment there was absolutely no alluding.

You need to stop arguing strawmans.

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Reply #77 - Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 12:50am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 12:48am:

mothra wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 12:44am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 12:42am:

mothra wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 12:35am:

A summation worthy of FD himself!

that is meant to be insulting somehow? Mothra, what part of my summation was wrong? Be specific.

You only got one thing right, Alevine. And that is that you didn't technically compare Islam to fascism. You merely alluded to it.

Not at all, I didn't even allude. I simply said there are many bad things which can still have parts that are good. For instance, fascism in that it brings people together for a common cause. How is that alluding to fascism being islam?

I mean, if we wish to discuss the similarities between Islam and Fascism we definitely can, but with that actual comment there was absolutely no alluding.

You need to stop arguing strawmans.

I'm quite over it Alevine. It was you that brought it up. It's still the only thing you got right in your summation.

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Reply #78 - Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 12:51am

mothra wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 12:50am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 12:48am:

mothra wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 12:44am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 12:42am:

mothra wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 12:35am:

A summation worthy of FD himself!

that is meant to be insulting somehow? Mothra, what part of my summation was wrong? Be specific.

You only got one thing right, Alevine. And that is that you didn't technically compare Islam to fascism. You merely alluded to it.

Not at all, I didn't even allude. I simply said there are many bad things which can still have parts that are good. For instance, fascism in that it brings people together for a common cause. How is that alluding to fascism being islam?

I mean, if we wish to discuss the similarities between Islam and Fascism we definitely can, but with that actual comment there was absolutely no alluding.

You need to stop arguing strawmans.

I'm quite over it Alevine. It was you that brought it up. It's still the only thing you got right in your summation.

I'd say my summation was spot on and you have a problem admitting when you're wrong.

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Reply #79 - Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 12:52am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 12:51am:

mothra wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 12:50am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 12:48am:

mothra wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 12:44am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 12:42am:

mothra wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 12:35am:

A summation worthy of FD himself!

that is meant to be insulting somehow? Mothra, what part of my summation was wrong? Be specific.

You only got one thing right, Alevine. And that is that you didn't technically compare Islam to fascism. You merely alluded to it.

Not at all, I didn't even allude. I simply said there are many bad things which can still have parts that are good. For instance, fascism in that it brings people together for a common cause. How is that alluding to fascism being islam?

I mean, if we wish to discuss the similarities between Islam and Fascism we definitely can, but with that actual comment there was absolutely no alluding.

You need to stop arguing strawmans.

I'm quite over it Alevine. It was you that brought it up. It's still the only thing you got right in your summation.

I'd say my summation was spot on and you have a problem admitting when you're wrong.

Yes. You probably would. You've grown accustomed to making stuff up. I've been watching.

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Reply #80 - Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 1:06am

mothra wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 12:52am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 12:51am:

mothra wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 12:50am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 12:48am:

mothra wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 12:44am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 12:42am:

mothra wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 12:35am:

A summation worthy of FD himself!

that is meant to be insulting somehow? Mothra, what part of my summation was wrong? Be specific.

You only got one thing right, Alevine. And that is that you didn't technically compare Islam to fascism. You merely alluded to it.

Not at all, I didn't even allude. I simply said there are many bad things which can still have parts that are good. For instance, fascism in that it brings people together for a common cause. How is that alluding to fascism being islam?

I mean, if we wish to discuss the similarities between Islam and Fascism we definitely can, but with that actual comment there was absolutely no alluding.

You need to stop arguing strawmans.

I'm quite over it Alevine. It was you that brought it up. It's still the only thing you got right in your summation.

I'd say my summation was spot on and you have a problem admitting when you're wrong.

Yes. You probably would. You've grown accustomed to making stuff up. I've been watching.

what did I make up, mothra? I mean if you're going to accuse me of things then back it up. Otherwise you're being as hollow as gweggy.

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35267 Gender:	Re: Musims and gay marriage Reply #81 - Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 1:10am I've called you on each and every thing you've just made up, Alevine. It's all there. I'm not copy and pasting it all in again. There's everything but the fascism point in your summation, to add to those instances.
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Reply #82 - Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 1:17am

mothra wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 1:10am:

I've called you on each and every thing you've just made up, Alevine. It's all there. I'm not copy and pasting it all in again.

There's everything but the fascism point in your summation, to add to those instances.

? Mothra, the only other thing in my summation was the fact that it was you that didn' twish to discuss Middle East. Did you want me to pull up the quote?

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Reply #83 - Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 3:28am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 12:48am:

mothra wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 12:44am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 12:42am:

mothra wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 12:35am:

A summation worthy of FD himself!

that is meant to be insulting somehow? Mothra, what part of my summation was wrong? Be specific.

You only got one thing right, Alevine. And that is that you didn't technically compare Islam to fascism. You merely alluded to it.

Not at all, I didn't even allude. I simply said there are many things that are good. For instance, fascism in that it brings people together for a common cause.

Put him in the Wiki, FD.

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Reply #84 - Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 3:58am

Karnal wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 3:28am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 12:48am:

mothra wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 12:44am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 12:42am:

mothra wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 12:35am:

A summation worthy of FD himself!

that is meant to be insulting somehow? Mothra, what part of my summation was wrong? Be specific.

You only got one thing right, Alevine. And that is that you didn't technically compare Islam to fascism. You merely alluded to it.

Not at all, I didn't even allude. I simply said there are many things that are good. For instance, fascism in that it brings people together for a common cause.

Put him in the Wiki, FD.

Deliberately changing what I actually wrote now, karnal? Tsk tsk. Shows just how dumb you really are.

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Reply #85 - Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 10:13am

mothra wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:21pm:

Yet the people who express Islam as i choose to legitimise it say those people have got it all wrong.

I like their version better.

Like i like the church i grew up in more than Hillsong, although i'm not religious anymore.

Why do you choose to legitimise Islam? And what is your version of it?

Is Gandalf one of those people?

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Reply #86 - Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 10:50am

mothra wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 11:04pm:

[quote author=alevine link=1504256289/55#55 date=1504270775] I don't think you can say that Islam is a repressive religion because some people use it to repress people any more than you can say of any other religion. There are just too many Muslims that aren't repressed by their interpretation of their religion.

I don't know how many ways i can say it.

Or how many times.

Islam is a repressive religion because repression and unconditional submission is at its heart. No amount reforming at the edges can erase or change that essential core of Islam. It's rituals demonstrate submission, its teachings and doctrines are suppressive.

Do show us how it liberates people.

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Reply #87 - Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 5:55pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 1:17am:

mothra wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 1:10am:

I've called you on each and every thing you've just made up, Alevine. It's all there. I'm not copy and pasting it all in again.

There's everything but the fascism point in your summation, to add to those instances.

? Mothra, the only other thing in my summation was the fact that it was you that didn' twish to discuss Middle East. Did you want me to pull up the quote?

Yes please.

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Reply #88 - Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 5:56pm

Quote:

"We are afraid if we come out with our opinion then the left may abandon us for going against their view

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-08-31/same-sex-marriage-why-have-muslims-been-so...

Does anyone remember when Gillard,Shorten,Wong,Swan and Plibersek were against same sex marriage?
https://twitter.com/DavidLeyonhjelm/status/903597946733715456

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Reply #89 - Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 6:17pm

mothra wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 10:21pm:

.....the people who express Islam as i choose to legitimise it .....say those people have got it all wrong.

I like their version better.

You said that;

'Some' moslems don't practise ISLAM, the same way as 'other' moslems do/would [or in a way that 'other' moslems approve of].

And you suggested that you like 'some' other version of ISLAM, which 'some' moslems follow.

And i like blue skies in the morning, better than blue skies at dusk.

/honest!

mothra,

Prove to us that what you said, makes some sense, if you can.

And mothra,

Q.
Does 'the messenger of Allah' in one version of ISLAM, remain the same 'messenger of Allah', for all versions of ISLAM ?

THE HADITH....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

- DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

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