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Re: Normal People should vote NO
Reply #195 - Sep 5^th, 2017 at 1:09pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 1:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 11:17am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 11:10am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 11:01am:

Incorrect, scroll back.

There is no evidence to prove that marriage was not always between man and woman - only assertions of historical issues that have been inferred to mean 'gay', and references to far off countries who changed the rules for themselves.

We have no need to follow what other nations do..... and none of the historical antecedents has been shown to mean that gay marriage was practiced. Inference is not reality....

You get an A for effort......

Continue to live in denial, if that's what makes you happy.

However, I can assure you that SSM is legal in many countries right now.

Moreover, it will be legalised in this country too and it won't hurt you one little bit.

There you go again - attack the messenger, refuse to answer the questions raised, and continue to refer to other nations and to ideology.

I'm not attacking anyone - I'm merely presenting the facts.

The evidence (which I've provided) suggests that marriages have not always been just between male and female.

And, it's an indisputable fact that marriage today is not restricted to heterosexuals - many countries have legalised SSM.

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Re: Normal People should vote NO
Reply #196 - Sep 5^th, 2017 at 1:17pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 1:09pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 1:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 11:17am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 11:10am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 11:01am:

Incorrect, scroll back.

There is no evidence to prove that marriage was not always between man and woman - only assertions of historical issues that have been inferred to mean 'gay', and references to far off countries who changed the rules for themselves.

We have no need to follow what other nations do..... and none of the historical antecedents has been shown to mean that gay marriage was practiced. Inference is not reality....

You get an A for effort......

Continue to live in denial, if that's what makes you happy.

However, I can assure you that SSM is legal in many countries right now.

Moreover, it will be legalised in this country too and it won't hurt you one little bit.

There you go again - attack the messenger, refuse to answer the questions raised, and continue to refer to other nations and to ideology.

I'm not attacking anyone - I'm merely presenting the facts.

The evidence (which I've provided) suggests that marriages have not always been just between male and female.

And, it's an indisputable fact that marriage today is not restricted to heterosexuals - many countries have legalised SSM.

'living in denial', 'ignorant'..... anyone who would label me 'ignorant' needs a head examination...

Now stop being a Nazi and attacking anyone with an opposing view....

I've refuted the 'evidence', which does not clearly indicate any such thing as SSM historically - each thing listed is covered in other areas, such as oaths etc, which had a totally different meaning back then.

Following other countries in their mistakes slavishly is what brought us so much of the feminist disaster....

Let The People Decide!!

Only a coward would seek another way, such as the Labor party's position on this..... they have a 'mandate', don't 'cha know, just like Wee Johnnie did, but we all know how the major worn-out parties love to latch on to any opportunity handed out by their 'opponents' for more power to themselves when they take the reins in Parliament......... once any idea that hands control to government of any issue is in, it is never out ...... well - I happen to disagree on mandate and always have.....

Government are responsible to the people who elected them - they are not THE power in the land.... and their recent history here has shown more than adequate reason to reject their taking control of this issue.

Power To The People...

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Re: Normal People should vote NO
Reply #197 - Sep 5^th, 2017 at 1:21pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 1:17pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 1:09pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 1:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 11:17am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 11:10am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 11:01am:

Incorrect, scroll back.

There is no evidence to prove that marriage was not always between man and woman - only assertions of historical issues that have been inferred to mean 'gay', and references to far off countries who changed the rules for themselves.

We have no need to follow what other nations do..... and none of the historical antecedents has been shown to mean that gay marriage was practiced. Inference is not reality....

You get an A for effort......

Continue to live in denial, if that's what makes you happy.

However, I can assure you that SSM is legal in many countries right now.

Moreover, it will be legalised in this country too and it won't hurt you one little bit.

There you go again - attack the messenger, refuse to answer the questions raised, and continue to refer to other nations and to ideology.

I'm not attacking anyone - I'm merely presenting the facts.

The evidence (which I've provided) suggests that marriages have not always been just between male and female.

And, it's an indisputable fact that marriage today is not restricted to heterosexuals - many countries have legalised SSM.

'living in denial', 'ignorant'..... anyone who would label me 'ignorant' needs a head examination...

Now stop being a Nazi and attacking anyone with an opposing view....

I've refuted the 'evidence', which does not clearly indicate any such thing as SSM historically - each thing listed is covered in other areas, such as oaths etc, which had a totally different meaning back then.

Following other countries in their mistakes slavishly is what brought us so much of the feminist disaster....

Let The People Decide!!

Only a coward would seek another way, such as the Labor party's position on this..... they have a 'mandate', don't 'cha know, just like Wee Johnnie did, but we all know how the major worn-out parties love to latch on to any opportunity handed out by their 'opponents' for more power to themselves when they take the reins in Parliament......... once any idea that hands control to government of any issue is in, it is never out ...... well - I happen to disagree on mandate and always have.....

Government are responsible to the people who elected them - they are not THE power in the land.... and their recent history here has shown more than adequate reason to reject their taking control of this issue.

Power To The People...

ADDS:- Whether or not SSM comes in here should be up to the people - not some bunch of elitists who know better than we do what is best for us......

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Re: Normal People should vote NO
Reply #198 - Sep 5^th, 2017 at 1:48pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 1:21pm:

ADDS:- Whether or not SSM comes in here should be up to the people - not some bunch of elitists who know better than we do what is best for us......

Hundreds of pieces of legislation are amended every year by our politicians (because that's exactly what they're paid to do).

Why won't you let them do their job now?

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Reply #199 - Sep 5^th, 2017 at 1:51pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 1:21pm:

I've refuted the 'evidence', which does not clearly indicate any such thing as SSM historically -

"A significant body of academic work shows that marriage and "other solemnised relationships" have not always been between 'a man and a woman'."

You're living in denial.

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Reply #200 - Sep 5^th, 2017 at 1:57pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 1:09pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 1:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 11:17am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 11:10am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 11:01am:

Incorrect, scroll back.

There is no evidence to prove that marriage was not always between man and woman - only assertions of historical issues that have been inferred to mean 'gay', and references to far off countries who changed the rules for themselves.

We have no need to follow what other nations do..... and none of the historical antecedents has been shown to mean that gay marriage was practiced. Inference is not reality....

You get an A for effort......

Continue to live in denial, if that's what makes you happy.

However, I can assure you that SSM is legal in many countries right now.

Moreover, it will be legalised in this country too and it won't hurt you one little bit.

There you go again - attack the messenger, refuse to answer the questions raised, and continue to refer to other nations and to ideology.

I'm not attacking anyone - I'm merely presenting the facts.

The evidence (which I've provided) suggests that marriages have not always been just between male and female.

And, it's an indisputable fact that marriage today is not restricted to heterosexuals - many countries have legalised SSM.

Correct ... on all three counts.

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If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.

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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: Normal People should vote NO Reply #201 - Sep 5^th, 2017 at 2:08pm Just looking, is it correct to say we've only had three plebiscites in Australia?
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Reply #202 - Sep 5^th, 2017 at 2:14pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 11:17am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 11:10am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 11:01am:

Incorrect, scroll back.

There is no evidence to prove that marriage was not always between man and woman - only assertions of historical issues that have been inferred to mean 'gay', and references to far off countries who changed the rules for themselves.

We have no need to follow what other nations do..... and none of the historical antecedents has been shown to mean that gay marriage was practiced. Inference is not reality....

You get an A for effort......

Continue to live in denial, if that's what makes you happy.

However, I can assure you that SSM is legal in many countries right now.

Moreover, it will be legalised in this country too and it won't hurt you one little bit.

SSM is legal in 23 countries. That means its not legal in 172 countries. Just sayin'.

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Reply #203 - Sep 5^th, 2017 at 2:42pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 1:51pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 1:21pm:

I've refuted the 'evidence', which does not clearly indicate any such thing as SSM historically -

"A significant body of academic work shows that marriage and "other solemnised relationships" have not always been between 'a man and a woman'."

You're living in denial.

So between a muslim and a goat?

Your reputation as a filthy liar isn't working out so well any more, is it? Grin

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Johnnie Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12485 Gender:	Re: Normal People should vote NO Reply #204 - Sep 5^th, 2017 at 2:59pm The high courts are deciding as to weather we, the people are allowed to decide on the future of society, I don't trust them, this is a critical decision and they had better do the right thing.
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Reply #205 - Sep 5^th, 2017 at 3:06pm

Johnnie wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 2:59pm:

The high courts are deciding as to weather we, the people are allowed to decide on the future of society, I don't trust them, this is a critical decision and they had better do the right thing.

Look on the other hand, if they allow this through, they should then mandate plebiscites for every decision the government takes.

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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)

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Reply #206 - Sep 5^th, 2017 at 3:10pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 12:05am:

Bam wrote on Sep 4^th, 2017 at 11:29pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 4^th, 2017 at 1:03pm:

marriage has always been between male and female

Incorrect.

Please explain?

Anyone else sick of hearing bald statements of a contrary nature totally unsupported by even an argument? It seems all the Yes vote have to say to every argument is - that's not so.......

That's what is defined as a 'strandard' in the New Grappler Dictionary..... a standard or view floating on nothing of substance, but rather being left high and dry on a (often self-created) reef, or washed up on the shore like a dead Muslim trying to get to Europe...

Please Explain??

Appeal to tradition is fallacious, but since you asked for details, here are a few links:

Same-Sex Unions throughout Time: A History of Gay Marriage
The History of the Legalization of Same-Sex Marriage
The History of Same Sex Marriage

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Reply #207 - Sep 5^th, 2017 at 3:12pm

Johnnie wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 2:59pm:

The high courts are deciding as to weather we, the people are allowed to decide on the future of society, I don't trust them, this is a critical decision and they had better do the right thing.

Or......what will you do (leaving aside the obvious question about the right thing being of course what you want it to decide?)

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Reply #208 - Sep 5^th, 2017 at 3:19pm

BigOl64 wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 2:42pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 1:51pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 1:21pm:

I've refuted the 'evidence', which does not clearly indicate any such thing as SSM historically -

"A significant body of academic work shows that marriage and "other solemnised relationships" have not always been between 'a man and a woman'."

You're living in denial.

So between a muslim and a goat?

A goat isn't a consenting, adult human.

This has nothing to do with animals, or children, or wheelbarrows.

"Roman Emperor Nero was married to not one man, but two. His nuptials were recorded and discussed at the time between subjects - friendly and hostile.

"The detail is recorded in the 1999 book Roman Homosexuality (updated in 2012) by Craig Williams, a classics professor of Brooklyn College, New York.

"The book includes a chapter on marriage between men, practiced throughout the empire, all the way to the top."

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Reply #209 - Sep 5^th, 2017 at 3:20pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 3:06pm:

Johnnie wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 2:59pm:

The high courts are deciding as to weather we, the people are allowed to decide on the future of society, I don't trust them, this is a critical decision and they had better do the right thing.

Look on the other hand, if they allow this through, they should then mandate plebiscites for every decision the government takes.

This is the future of society not economics or foreign policy stuff, society shapes the future and society needs to ensure the future is not warped, hence the reason we have come to this point, most of us want a say.

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