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Re: Normal People should vote NO
Reply #255 - Sep 7^th, 2017 at 11:42am

Raven wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:54am:

This "survey" is flawed.

A NO vote is binding.

A YES vote is not.

What the f.uck is the point?

We are asked to "vote" on legislation we haven't even seen.

Why?

It is a delaying tactic foisted onto Turnbull by the conservatives. That is why a "yes" vote isn't binding: delay, delay, delay.

I am not opposed in principle to giving the public a say on legislation, by the way, but only if we get a say on many other issues. Should we privatise a particular asset? Should we dismantle privatisation? Should we raise the pension age? Should politicians' entitlements be put more into line with the employment conditions that workers receive? Should the government maintain an artificial scarcity of jobs or should it pursue full employment? Should the dole be increased? Should we offer more benefits for veterans? Should we have a treaty with Indigenous Australians? Should we become a republic?

So many issues could be decided by plebiscites, but in 117 years there have only been three. Two of them involved conscription in the Great War and these both failed. The other was a multiple choice National Song plebiscite in 1977, which chose Advance Australia Fair as the national anthem (ahead of Waltzing Matilda, God Save the Queen and Song of Australia), and this wasn't fully implemented until 1984.

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philperth2010 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20558 Perth Gender:	Re: Normal People should vote NO Reply #256 - Sep 7^th, 2017 at 11:47am Tunbull is trying to be all things to all people and failing miserably....No one knows what lord waffle stands for....He says one thing and then does another to satisfy those he does not agree with but keep him in power???
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Reply #257 - Sep 8^th, 2017 at 1:35am

To quote former Judge Michael Kirby

"Other changes in Australia has not been made by postal ballot or plebiscite.

It wasn't done in the case the advancement of the legal rights, equal rights of the Aboriginal people, it wasn't done in respect of women's advancement of legal rights, nor in the demolition of 'White Australia',"

Essentially this plebiscite is disrespecting our Parliament. The Parliament has said it does not want a plebiscite and yet here we are.

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Re: Normal People should vote NO
Reply #258 - Sep 8^th, 2017 at 10:13am

Raven wrote on Sep 8^th, 2017 at 1:35am:

To quote former Judge Michael Kirby

"Other changes in Australia has not been made by postal ballot or plebiscite.

It wasn't done in the case the advancement of the legal rights, equal rights of the Aboriginal people, it wasn't done in respect of women's advancement of legal rights, nor in the demolition of 'White Australia',"

Essentially this plebiscite is disrespecting our Parliament. The Parliament has said it does not want a plebiscite and yet here we are.

Well admittedly this isn't even a plebiscite.

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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)

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Reply #259 - Sep 9^th, 2017 at 10:14am

Below, an example, of how the laws of a nation can be 'specially' construed and 'specially' interpreted,
in order to afford special rights,
AND IN ORDER TO AFFORD SPECIAL AND 'UNUSUAL' PROTECTIONS, IN LAW, TO A VOCAL 'SPECIAL INTEREST' GROUP.

I hope that you can see, how if same sex marriage is legalised in Australia,
it is very probable,
that a special interpretation [in our courts] of our existing discrimination laws will be advocated for,
in order, to protect the 'feelings' AND THESE NEW AND ASSERTED RIGHTS of those persons who promote that lifestyle,
whenever, in public places, they encounter people who hold differing views to themselves.

AN EXAMPLE OF HOW THE INTERPRETATION OF EXISTING LAWS RELATING TO
'GIVING OFFENCE TO OTHERS'...
CAN BE SKEWERED, IN ORDER TO BE USED TO PROTECT THE 'SENSITIVITIES' OF PERSONS BELONGING TO 'SPECIAL INTEREST' GROUPS.

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By Robert Spencer on Sep 01, 2017 12:24 pm

Sweden: Man convicted of eating bacon in front of three Muslims, must pay each $625, plus $1125 fine

What would have happened if he had been drinking a beer?

Five years in prison?

Amputation of the hand? In Sharia Sweden, you never know.

A 53-year-old man from Stockholm has been convicted of offending three women wearing headscarves on the shuttle between Väsby and Märsta.

The man held up bacon and ate it in front of them while saying he hated Muslims.

The man was charged with disproportionate hatred against the public, but was not convicted of that charge.

The headscarf-wearing women alerted police to the fact that on a train in April 2015, he held bacon up to their faces and ate it in front of them, and then said “I hate Muslims, I hate Negroes.

Denies crimes

The man will pay each of the three women 5,000 kronor [$625] in damages.

In addition, he will pay 9000 kronor [$1125] in fines.

The man denies the deeds and said he only wanted to eat his bacon.

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/09/sweden-man-convicted-of-eating-bacon-in-front...

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Re: Normal People should vote NO
Reply #260 - Sep 9^th, 2017 at 10:21am

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 12:49am:

Bam wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 11:47pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 7:12pm:

The situation as it stands allows for tolerance of homosexuality whilst acknowledging it is an inferior lifestyle choice. Why change an ideal situation?

You're obviously trolling. No sensible human being would wish to oppress other people simply for being different.

Tell that to the victims of feminism.....

That would be all of us and especially the feminists themselves.

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Reply #261 - Sep 9^th, 2017 at 10:22am

Help me out here, Sir Booby - who does this remind you of?

"The research may help to explain the underpinnings of anti-gay bullying and hate crimes, the researchers note.

"People in denial about their own sexual orientation, perhaps a denial fostered by authoritarian and homophobic parents, may feel a threat from other gay and lesbian individuals.

"Lashing out may ultimately be an indicator of the person's own internal conflict with sexual orientation."

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Reply #262 - Sep 9^th, 2017 at 10:25am

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 12:57am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 8:45am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 11:50pm:

But where does it start? How do all those men get AIDS and then pass it on? I've read that it's rife in Africa, but why - unless we accept that it is a CIA plot to exterminate Africans as some think.

Usually husbands sleep with prostitutes and then sleep with their wives with no protection. My point essentially is that HIV transmission is a far more complex picture than to say look its gays that did it. Also can we get away from using the term AIDS in this instance, its scientifically and medically lazy.

But where does it begin? Just poking a woman won't give you AIDS... I've done that many times and gladly so... where did it start?

https://books.google.com.au/books?hl=en&lr=&id=dTaMBrPBK6EC&oi=fnd&pg=PR5&dq=ori...

Someone shagged a monkey?? Gonorrhea is a disease of camels.... but let's not talk about that in case the thought police hear us... if they do we'll be a goner 'ere......

Just poking a woman won't give you AIDS.

if she has AIDS actually it can ?

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Reply #263 - Sep 9^th, 2017 at 11:58am

The bigots and religious people are worried that giving gay people marriage rights will restrict their right to discriminate and somehow give the impression homosexuals are equal or deserving under the laws of our Country....Why are one persons rights more important than anyone else's in the eyes of the law???

Huh

Laws alone can not secure freedom of expression; in order that every man present his views without penalty there must be spirit of tolerance in the entire population.
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Re: Normal People should vote NO
Reply #264 - Sep 9^th, 2017 at 12:21pm

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 9^th, 2017 at 11:58am:

The bigots and religious people are worried that giving gay people marriage rights will restrict their right to discriminate and somehow give the impression homosexuals are equal or deserving under the laws of our Country....Why are one persons rights more important than anyone else's in the eyes of the law???

Huh

Laws alone can not secure freedom of expression; in order that every man present his views without penalty there must be spirit of tolerance in the entire population.
Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955)

A tolerant socialist is one hell of an oxymoron, with the emphasis on more-on.

There is no such tolerance from the left, there is only derision and hatred. What goes around come around.

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Re: Normal People should vote NO
Reply #265 - Sep 9^th, 2017 at 12:38pm

Dnarever wrote on Sep 9^th, 2017 at 10:25am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 12:57am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 8:45am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 11:50pm:

But where does it start? How do all those men get AIDS and then pass it on? I've read that it's rife in Africa, but why - unless we accept that it is a CIA plot to exterminate Africans as some think.

Usually husbands sleep with prostitutes and then sleep with their wives with no protection. My point essentially is that HIV transmission is a far more complex picture than to say look its gays that did it. Also can we get away from using the term AIDS in this instance, its scientifically and medically lazy.

But where does it begin? Just poking a woman won't give you AIDS... I've done that many times and gladly so... where did it start?

https://books.google.com.au/books?hl=en&lr=&id=dTaMBrPBK6EC&oi=fnd&pg=PR5&dq=ori...

Someone shagged a monkey?? Gonorrhea is a disease of camels.... but let's not talk about that in case the thought police hear us... if they do we'll be a goner 'ere......

Just poking a woman won't give you AIDS.

if she has AIDS actually it can ?

Yeee-usssh - but that's a special circumstance... where did it all begin?

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capitosinora Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2235 USA Florida Gender:	Re: Normal People should vote NO Reply #266 - Sep 9^th, 2017 at 1:43pm greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 9:49am: capitosinora wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 9:46am: Don't allow adoption of children. At least don't give innocent children to Gay and lesbian pervert paedophiles. Off topic. This is about SSM. You are wrong all poofs are notorious paedophiles.
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 59387 Here Gender:	Re: Normal People should vote NO Reply #267 - Sep 9^th, 2017 at 1:49pm I have read the posts of many of the people here who seem to claim to be normal but based on the evidence I have to disagree.
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Reply #268 - Sep 9^th, 2017 at 2:36pm

capitosinora wrote on Sep 9^th, 2017 at 1:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 9:49am:

capitosinora wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 9:46am:

Don't allow adoption of children.

At least don't give innocent children to Gay and lesbian pervert paedophiles.

Off topic.

This is about SSM.

You are wrong all poofs are notorious paedophiles.

Off topic.

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Reply #269 - Sep 9^th, 2017 at 3:16pm

BigOl64 wrote on Sep 9^th, 2017 at 12:21pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 9^th, 2017 at 11:58am:

The bigots and religious people are worried that giving gay people marriage rights will restrict their right to discriminate and somehow give the impression homosexuals are equal or deserving under the laws of our Country....Why are one persons rights more important than anyone else's in the eyes of the law???

Huh

Laws alone can not secure freedom of expression; in order that every man present his views without penalty there must be spirit of tolerance in the entire population.
Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955)

A tolerant socialist is one hell of an oxymoron, with the emphasis on more-on.

There is no such tolerance from the left, there is only derision and hatred. What goes around come around.

Bullshit....Your own post shows you have no tolerance for opinions you disagree with....You childish insults say more about you than those you abuse!!!

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