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Re: How many attacks will this result in?
Reply #30 - Sep 5^th, 2017 at 10:47pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 10:44pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 10:38pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 10:35pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 10:15pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 10:00pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 5:54pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 2:46pm:

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Citing the country’s 2014 constitution, considered one of the most progressive in the region, the president said: “The state is obliged to achieve full equality between women and men and to ensure equal opportunities for all responsibilities.”

Considering all the crap thats happening in the muslim world, one would think this sort of thing would be met with some positivity. But instead we get jeering and sneering, and people hoping like hell that we get a jolly bloodbath out of it. Incredible.

Gandalf who, other than Muslims, do you think is hoping for a bloodbath in response to this?

Oh, that's easy. Alevine, you, anyone else you can think of?

Karnal too, don't forget.

Exactly. We don't need any actual bloodbaths to blame Islam. Now we can just blame Islam when we hope for a bloodbath.

How do you think they'll do it, Alevine? I'd like a crucifixion squad. They haven't done that before. The car thing's getting boring.

Depends on how Allah instructs them, I guess? What would Mohammed do, Karnal?

According to our resident Islamic expert, he'd negotiate a treaty, then - and only then - attack them if they break it.

Don't believe it? Ask our resident Islamic non-expert.

Were they mindless?

Were they a collective?

Were they Jewish?

Were they treacherous?

Ah ok, but what happens if no treaty can be reached? Just a blatant attack? Off we go? Bang Bang Bang?

Do jihadist still get 40 virgins and a cleopatra blowjob if they attack without a treaty? Deary, someone should tell them...

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Re: How many attacks will this result in?
Reply #31 - Sep 5^th, 2017 at 10:49pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 10:47pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 10:38pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 10:35pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 10:15pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 10:00pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 5:54pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 2:46pm:

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Citing the country’s 2014 constitution, considered one of the most progressive in the region, the president said: “The state is obliged to achieve full equality between women and men and to ensure equal opportunities for all responsibilities.”

Considering all the crap thats happening in the muslim world, one would think this sort of thing would be met with some positivity. But instead we get jeering and sneering, and people hoping like hell that we get a jolly bloodbath out of it. Incredible.

Gandalf who, other than Muslims, do you think is hoping for a bloodbath in response to this?

Oh, that's easy. Alevine, you, anyone else you can think of?

Karnal too, don't forget.

Exactly. We don't need any actual bloodbaths to blame Islam. Now we can just blame Islam when we hope for a bloodbath.

How do you think they'll do it, Alevine? I'd like a crucifixion squad. They haven't done that before. The car thing's getting boring.

Depends on how Allah instructs them, I guess? What would Mohammed do, Karnal?

Also, please don't try and suggest I share in your hopes. I for one do not wish to see any bloodbath.

That's nice, Alevine. Very civilised of you. Can I ask - why did you start this thread?

like I've said before, and you've chosen to ignore (typical regressive strawmanning), I'm interested in understanding why it is that EACH time someone tries to reform, the response from conservative islam, islamists, jihadists is to go crazy and stand against the reform? How can anyone hope to reform Islam if 1) conservatism is growning and 2) even simple reforms, such as this one, stand against massive opposition? Where does this opposition come from? Cleopatra?

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Re: How many attacks will this result in?
Reply #32 - Sep 5^th, 2017 at 10:51pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 10:49pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 10:47pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 10:38pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 10:35pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 10:15pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 10:00pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 5:54pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 2:46pm:

Quote:

Citing the country’s 2014 constitution, considered one of the most progressive in the region, the president said: “The state is obliged to achieve full equality between women and men and to ensure equal opportunities for all responsibilities.”

Considering all the crap thats happening in the muslim world, one would think this sort of thing would be met with some positivity. But instead we get jeering and sneering, and people hoping like hell that we get a jolly bloodbath out of it. Incredible.

Gandalf who, other than Muslims, do you think is hoping for a bloodbath in response to this?

Oh, that's easy. Alevine, you, anyone else you can think of?

Karnal too, don't forget.

Exactly. We don't need any actual bloodbaths to blame Islam. Now we can just blame Islam when we hope for a bloodbath.

How do you think they'll do it, Alevine? I'd like a crucifixion squad. They haven't done that before. The car thing's getting boring.

Depends on how Allah instructs them, I guess? What would Mohammed do, Karnal?

Also, please don't try and suggest I share in your hopes. I for one do not wish to see any bloodbath.

That's nice, Alevine. Very civilised of you. Can I ask - why did you start this thread?

like I've said before, and you've chosen to ignore (typical regressive strawmanning), I'm interested in understanding why it is that EACH time someone tries to reform, the response from conservative islam, islamists, jihadists is to go crazy and stand against the reform? How can anyone hope to reform Islam if 1) conservatism is growning and 2) even simple reforms, such as this one, stand against massive opposition? Where does this opposition come from? Cleopatra?

What opposition, Alevine?

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Re: How many attacks will this result in?
Reply #33 - Sep 5^th, 2017 at 10:54pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 10:51pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 10:49pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 10:47pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 10:38pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 10:35pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 10:15pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 10:00pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 5:54pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 2:46pm:

Quote:

Citing the country’s 2014 constitution, considered one of the most progressive in the region, the president said: “The state is obliged to achieve full equality between women and men and to ensure equal opportunities for all responsibilities.”

Considering all the crap thats happening in the muslim world, one would think this sort of thing would be met with some positivity. But instead we get jeering and sneering, and people hoping like hell that we get a jolly bloodbath out of it. Incredible.

Gandalf who, other than Muslims, do you think is hoping for a bloodbath in response to this?

Oh, that's easy. Alevine, you, anyone else you can think of?

Karnal too, don't forget.

Exactly. We don't need any actual bloodbaths to blame Islam. Now we can just blame Islam when we hope for a bloodbath.

How do you think they'll do it, Alevine? I'd like a crucifixion squad. They haven't done that before. The car thing's getting boring.

Depends on how Allah instructs them, I guess? What would Mohammed do, Karnal?

Also, please don't try and suggest I share in your hopes. I for one do not wish to see any bloodbath.

That's nice, Alevine. Very civilised of you. Can I ask - why did you start this thread?

like I've said before, and you've chosen to ignore (typical regressive strawmanning), I'm interested in understanding why it is that EACH time someone tries to reform, the response from conservative islam, islamists, jihadists is to go crazy and stand against the reform? How can anyone hope to reform Islam if 1) conservatism is growning and 2) even simple reforms, such as this one, stand against massive opposition? Where does this opposition come from? Cleopatra?

What opposition, Alevine?

read, my dear. read.

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Re: How many attacks will this result in?
Reply #34 - Sep 5^th, 2017 at 11:57pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 10:54pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 10:51pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 10:49pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 10:47pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 10:38pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 10:35pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 10:15pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 10:00pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 5:54pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 2:46pm:

Quote:

Citing the country’s 2014 constitution, considered one of the most progressive in the region, the president said: “The state is obliged to achieve full equality between women and men and to ensure equal opportunities for all responsibilities.”

Considering all the crap thats happening in the muslim world, one would think this sort of thing would be met with some positivity. But instead we get jeering and sneering, and people hoping like hell that we get a jolly bloodbath out of it. Incredible.

Gandalf who, other than Muslims, do you think is hoping for a bloodbath in response to this?

Oh, that's easy. Alevine, you, anyone else you can think of?

Karnal too, don't forget.

Exactly. We don't need any actual bloodbaths to blame Islam. Now we can just blame Islam when we hope for a bloodbath.

How do you think they'll do it, Alevine? I'd like a crucifixion squad. They haven't done that before. The car thing's getting boring.

Depends on how Allah instructs them, I guess? What would Mohammed do, Karnal?

Also, please don't try and suggest I share in your hopes. I for one do not wish to see any bloodbath.

That's nice, Alevine. Very civilised of you. Can I ask - why did you start this thread?

like I've said before, and you've chosen to ignore (typical regressive strawmanning), I'm interested in understanding why it is that EACH time someone tries to reform, the response from conservative islam, islamists, jihadists is to go crazy and stand against the reform? How can anyone hope to reform Islam if 1) conservatism is growning and 2) even simple reforms, such as this one, stand against massive opposition? Where does this opposition come from? Cleopatra?

What opposition, Alevine?

read, my dear. read.

Do you want to give us something to read? Who's planning the bloodbath?

Cheers.

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Re: How many attacks will this result in?
Reply #35 - Sep 6^th, 2017 at 2:41pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 5:21pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 2:42pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 4^th, 2017 at 9:49pm:

Let's see how many people end up getting blown up in suicide attacks, or run over by trucks, as a result of this.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2017/sep/04/we-are-an-example-to-...

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Currently, a Muslim woman is not allowed to marry a a non-Muslim. Men are allowed to marry women of any faith who don’t have to convert. Under Islamic law, men typically receive double the inheritance of any woman.

Ah Islam, you're so very, very liberal and progressive.

Karnal - let me guess...Cleopatra?

Jesus, this is how you react to something thats actually good happening in the muslim world? Before I opened the article I genuinely thought it was some backward step being taken.

Just proof that you have no interest in seeing reform, you just want to jeer and sneer at it, and cross your fingers and hope it fails - preferably with a bloodbath.

Typical gandalf, the grand master of strawman arguments. At which point was this thread about the actual reform, rather than the RESPONSE to the reform? mm?

You need to learn what a strawman is alevine.

The problem I was talking about is articulated perfectly in this reply of yours - namely in admitting that you started this thread not to congratulate muslims for inacting progressive reform, but to make hysterics about a non-existent violent response. Only on this forum could someone initiate a discussion on how violent and repressive muslims are - by emphasising a hypothetical and entirely non-existent violent reaction to a positive progressive development in the muslim world.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: How many attacks will this result in?
Reply #36 - Sep 6^th, 2017 at 2:54pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 10:49pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 10:47pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 10:38pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 10:35pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 10:15pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 10:00pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 5:54pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 2:46pm:

Quote:

Citing the country’s 2014 constitution, considered one of the most progressive in the region, the president said: “The state is obliged to achieve full equality between women and men and to ensure equal opportunities for all responsibilities.”

Considering all the crap thats happening in the muslim world, one would think this sort of thing would be met with some positivity. But instead we get jeering and sneering, and people hoping like hell that we get a jolly bloodbath out of it. Incredible.

Gandalf who, other than Muslims, do you think is hoping for a bloodbath in response to this?

Oh, that's easy. Alevine, you, anyone else you can think of?

Karnal too, don't forget.

Exactly. We don't need any actual bloodbaths to blame Islam. Now we can just blame Islam when we hope for a bloodbath.

How do you think they'll do it, Alevine? I'd like a crucifixion squad. They haven't done that before. The car thing's getting boring.

Depends on how Allah instructs them, I guess? What would Mohammed do, Karnal?

Also, please don't try and suggest I share in your hopes. I for one do not wish to see any bloodbath.

That's nice, Alevine. Very civilised of you. Can I ask - why did you start this thread?

like I've said before, and you've chosen to ignore (typical regressive strawmanning), I'm interested in understanding why it is that EACH time someone tries to reform, the response from conservative islam, islamists, jihadists is to go crazy and stand against the reform? How can anyone hope to reform Islam if 1) conservatism is growning and 2) even simple reforms, such as this one, stand against massive opposition? Where does this opposition come from? Cleopatra?

So you start a thread to analyze how backward and violent muslims are - by pontificating about the non-existent violent reaction to a commendable reform by muslims?

Sorry Alevine, but I don't think I could think of a more inappropriate platform for this attack of yours on muslims.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: How many attacks will this result in?
Reply #37 - Sep 6^th, 2017 at 3:21pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 2:46pm:

Quote:

Citing the country’s 2014 constitution, considered one of the most progressive in the region, the president said: “The state is obliged to achieve full equality between women and men and to ensure equal opportunities for all responsibilities.”

Considering all the crap thats happening in the muslim world, one would think this sort of thing would be met with some positivity. But instead we get jeering and sneering, and people hoping like hell that we get a jolly bloodbath out of it. Incredible.

How about something more meaty Gandalf?

"There is no use in teaching math to a child who does not know the concept of jihad, - Ahmet Hamdi Camlı Deputy of the AKP, the ruling party in Turkey"

If that is too lame try this.

"The terror threat in the United Kingdom is at unprecedented levels, according to British and European experts charged with leading the fight against jihadis in Europe.

There are as many as 35,000 “radicals” in the UK, according to European counter-terrorism coordinator Gilles de Kerchove.

“Of these, 3,000 are worrying for MI5, and of those, 500 are under constant and special attention,” he said.

De Kerchove put the number of extremists in Europe in excess of 50,000."

Feeling warm and fuzzy now?

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Justsayno Go home and have talk to your fictitious autistic son, looser.

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Re: How many attacks will this result in?
Reply #38 - Sep 7^th, 2017 at 5:32pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 2:41pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 5:21pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 2:42pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 4^th, 2017 at 9:49pm:

Let's see how many people end up getting blown up in suicide attacks, or run over by trucks, as a result of this.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2017/sep/04/we-are-an-example-to-...

Quote:

Currently, a Muslim woman is not allowed to marry a a non-Muslim. Men are allowed to marry women of any faith who don’t have to convert. Under Islamic law, men typically receive double the inheritance of any woman.

Ah Islam, you're so very, very liberal and progressive.

Karnal - let me guess...Cleopatra?

Jesus, this is how you react to something thats actually good happening in the muslim world? Before I opened the article I genuinely thought it was some backward step being taken.

Just proof that you have no interest in seeing reform, you just want to jeer and sneer at it, and cross your fingers and hope it fails - preferably with a bloodbath.

Typical gandalf, the grand master of strawman arguments. At which point was this thread about the actual reform, rather than the RESPONSE to the reform? mm?

You need to learn what a strawman is alevine.

The problem I was talking about is articulated perfectly in this reply of yours - namely in admitting that you started this thread not to congratulate muslims for inacting progressive reform, but to make hysterics about a non-existent violent response. Only on this forum could someone initiate a discussion on how violent and repressive muslims are - by emphasising a hypothetical and entirely non-existent violent reaction to a positive progressive development in the muslim world.

A strawman is when I post about the response to the reform and you argue I somehow don't support the reform.
And of course I'm going to be critical of the response because it is insane to even consider there would be any opposition to such a reform. I mean, we know Islam is backwards, but i didn't realise it was this backwards! Imagine a debate on gay marriage in Tunisia... no... even better... legalising gay sex... what would the same opponents say/do then??? And what drives this insanity? Why, Islam , of course.

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Re: How many attacks will this result in?
Reply #39 - Sep 7^th, 2017 at 6:12pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 5:32pm:

And of course I'm going to be critical of the response because it is insane to even consider there would be any opposition to such a reform.

There you go again - railing against muslims over something they haven't even done. Doesn't that seem just a little bit hysterical to you?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: How many attacks will this result in?
Reply #40 - Sep 7^th, 2017 at 6:40pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 6:12pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 5:32pm:

And of course I'm going to be critical of the response because it is insane to even consider there would be any opposition to such a reform.

There you go again - railing against muslims over something they haven't even done. Doesn't that seem just a little bit hysterical to you?

There's no opposition now? Are you suffering from the same inability to read as Karnal, gandalf?

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Re: How many attacks will this result in?
Reply #41 - Sep 7^th, 2017 at 7:09pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 6:40pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 6:12pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 5:32pm:

And of course I'm going to be critical of the response because it is insane to even consider there would be any opposition to such a reform.

There you go again - railing against muslims over something they haven't even done. Doesn't that seem just a little bit hysterical to you?

There's no opposition now? Are you suffering from the same inability to read as Karnal, gandalf?

He must be, Alevine.

Read what?

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