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Reply #15 - Sep 5^th, 2017 at 1:14pm

Because of this:

Luke 6:37: Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

Romans 2:1 You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.

Yadda you have a choice. You can overcome your own fears and hatred. Instead of hating your perceived enemy, you should love and forgive.

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Reply #16 - Sep 5^th, 2017 at 1:29pm

tickleandrose wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 1:14pm:

Because of this:

Luke 6:37: Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

Romans 2:1 You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.

Yadda you have a choice. You can overcome your own fears and hatred. Instead of hating your perceived enemy, you should love and forgive.

Thank fkk we are not all dumb sh1t christians, standing around waiting to be killed.

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Re: Why shouldn't i openly criticise every moslem.....
Reply #17 - Sep 5^th, 2017 at 1:30pm

tickleandrose wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 1:14pm:

Because of this:

Luke 6:37: Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

Romans 2:1 You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.

Yadda you have a choice. You can overcome your own fears and hatred. Instead of hating your perceived enemy, you should love and forgive.

Whaaaaaaaat! Act sort of...um.......er........agh...........Christian like????????

Really? How truly bizarre!

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Reply #18 - Sep 5^th, 2017 at 1:40pm

BigOl64 wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 1:29pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 1:14pm:

Because of this:

Luke 6:37: Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

Romans 2:1 You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.

Yadda you have a choice. You can overcome your own fears and hatred. Instead of hating your perceived enemy, you should love and forgive.

Thank fkk we are not all dumb sh1t christians, standing around waiting to be killed.

No, the verses suggest that you should not judge? And should forgive? Where does it say stand around waiting to be killed?

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Reply #20 - Sep 5^th, 2017 at 3:07pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 2:01pm:

Yadda wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 1:05pm:

WAKE UP PEOPLE !

In inviting moslems to live among us, we have grasped a treacherous and poisonous serpent to our very heart !

In all honesty Yadda, I'd have more faith in the average Muslim,

than in an extremist such as yourself.

LOL

What an absurd, suggestion that is.

.....when moslems, in Australia, in threatening to murder non-moslems,
.....were simply following the lawful strictures of their religion. !!!!!

i.e.
They are being good moslems !!

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IMAGE...

Sydney, 2012, moslem street protests.

Here we see the moslem community in Australia, demonstrating', just how 'peaceful' ISLAM and moslems really are.

Moslems, religious bigots, 'demonstrating', just how 'peaceful' ISLAM and moslems really are.

Moslems demanding their 'human right' to exercise the 'freedom of religion' of the moslem.

THE RIGHT OF THE MOSLEM [which is set out within ISLAMIC law!], to kill people who do not believe as they [moslems] believe.

QUESTION;
How many of those persons who took part in that moslem street protest in Sydney, Australia, TO INCITE RELIGIOUS BIGOTRY, AND RELIGIOUS VIOLENCE, AND MURDER, were ever identified, charged and brought before a court of law ? !!

.

There are no 'innocent' moslems, in Australia, imo.

Every moslem in Australia, is a moslem.

Every moslem, in Australia, has chosen, and continues to choose, to give his allegiance to ISLAM.

Q.

Why do we allow these nefarious people [moslems] to live among us ?

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #21 - Sep 5^th, 2017 at 3:13pm

One day his Country will wake up to the fact that they have a monstrous problem, on their hands with the Moslems in this Country

They grow ever stronger and each year the Government adds fuel to the fire by importing a couple of hundred thousand of them

They breed like whites never would breed and to see families with 8 or 9 Moslem kids is the norm. This is the 'white ant' solution that will one day see them out number us

When they grow strong enough, be it fifty years time there will be a day of reckoning for madness of our forefathers in importing a culture totally alien to this Country

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Re: Why shouldn't i openly criticise every moslem.....
Reply #22 - Sep 5^th, 2017 at 3:17pm

tickleandrose wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 1:14pm:

Because of this:

Luke 6:37: Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

Romans 2:1 You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.

Yadda you have a choice. You can overcome your own fears and hatred. Instead of hating your perceived enemy, you should love and forgive.

"ISLAM ES PAZ"

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And pigs might fly - in Barcelona.

tickleandrose,

Denials, by moslems, is not a proof of any veracity [honesty] on the part of a moslem.

All moslems, every moslem, are the children of Belial.

But if i have accused the moslem falsely, then you or others can make your argument here.

And show me my error, for everyone to see.

tickleandrose,

You quote the scripture which admonishes;

Do not judge

tickleandrose,

And here is more scripture.....

Romans 12:9
.....Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.

Q.
How can i 'Abhor that which is evil',
....unless i exercise judgement in order to determine if something is evil [in my eyes] ?

Q.
How am i to identify 'that which is good',
....if i am unwilling to exercise judgement between one thing and other ?

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1434160480/2#2
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And if you are a person who is "tolerant" of evil behaviour, DON'T KID YOURSELF,
...God hates you.

Q.
Does my God, want me to be tolerant of liars, and to be tolerant of wicked people ?

Or, does my God, want me to separate myself from liars, and wicked people ?

I have to decide, i have to make a judgement, ...on that.

2 Corinthians 6:14
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial [with LIARS]? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

I must one day stand before my God.

I will be judged by God, and if i am one of those children of Belial, let it be done unto me also.

'....one of those children of Belial'
?
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1503284227/16#16

Psalms 82:1
God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
2 How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.
3 Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.
4 Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.
5 They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Why shouldn't i openly criticise every moslem.....
Reply #23 - Sep 5^th, 2017 at 3:20pm

red baron wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 3:13pm:

One day his Country will wake up to the fact that they have a monstrous problem, on their hands with the Moslems in this Country

They grow ever stronger and each year the Government adds fuel to the fire by importing a couple of hundred thousand of them

They breed like whites never would breed and to see families with 8 or 9 Moslem kids is the norm. This is the 'white ant' solution that will one day see them out number us

When they grow strong enough, be it fifty years time there will be a day of reckoning for madness of our forefathers in importing a culture totally alien to this Country

More hysterical horseshit.

Link.

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Reply #24 - Sep 5^th, 2017 at 3:21pm

Yadda wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 3:07pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 2:01pm:

Yadda wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 1:05pm:

WAKE UP PEOPLE !

In inviting moslems to live among us, we have grasped a treacherous and poisonous serpent to our very heart !

In all honesty Yadda, I'd have more faith in the average Muslim,

than in an extremist such as yourself.

LOL

What an absurd, suggestion that is.

.....when moslems, in Australia, in threatening to murder non-moslems,
.....were simply following the lawful strictures of their religion. !!!!!

i.e.
They are being good moslems !!

.

IMAGE...
http://images.smh.com.au/2012/09/15/3637564/art-protest3-620x349.jpg

Sydney, 2012, moslem street protests.

Here we see the moslem community in Australia, demonstrating', just how 'peaceful' ISLAM and moslems really are.

Moslems, religious bigots, 'demonstrating', just how 'peaceful' ISLAM and moslems really are.

Moslems demanding their 'human right' to exercise the 'freedom of religion' of the moslem.

THE RIGHT OF THE MOSLEM [which is set out within ISLAMIC law!], to kill people who do not believe as they [moslems] believe.

QUESTION;
How many of those persons who took part in that moslem street protest in Sydney, Australia, TO INCITE RELIGIOUS BIGOTRY, AND RELIGIOUS VIOLENCE, AND MURDER, were ever identified, charged and brought before a court of law ? !!

.

There are no 'innocent' moslems, in Australia, imo.

Every moslem in Australia, is a moslem.

Every moslem, in Australia, has chosen, and continues to choose, to give his allegiance to ISLAM.

Q.

Why do we allow these nefarious people [moslems] to live among us ?

Again formatting, dude. And you may think it absurd. I think it perfectly reasonable to assume not every single Muslim is out to get me.

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No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)

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Reply #25 - Sep 5^th, 2017 at 3:38pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 3:21pm:

And you may think it absurd.

I think it perfectly reasonable to assume not every single Muslim is out to get me.

Oh, good oh! giggle, giggle, giggle.

/sarc off

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Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami

Quote:

How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior
January 18, 2012

Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong

"...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance.

When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-isla...

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Quote:

Live in peace till strong enough to wage jihad, says UK Deoband scholar to Muslims

London, Sept.8 [2007]

A Deobandi scholar believes Muslims should preach peace till they are strong enough to undertake a jihad, or a holy war.

Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani was quoted by the BBC as saying that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle.

A former Sharia judge in Pakistan's Supreme Court, 64-year-old Usmani, is...a regular visitor to Britain.
Polite and softly spoken....

He agreed that it was wrong to suggest that the entire non-Muslim world was intent on destroying Islam, but justifies an aggressive military jihad as a means of establishing global Islamic supremacy.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece

Google,
we smile to the face "while our hearts curse them"

Quote:

A Study in Muslim Doctrine

"...while sincere friendship with non-Muslims is forbidden,

insincere friendship - whenever beneficial to Muslims - is not."

http://www.meforum.org/2512/nidal-hasan-fort-hood-muslim-doctrine

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: Why shouldn't i openly criticise every moslem.....
Reply #27 - Sep 5^th, 2017 at 3:46pm

Aussie wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 3:20pm:

red baron wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 3:13pm:

One day his Country will wake up to the fact that they have a monstrous problem, on their hands with the Moslems in this Country

They grow ever stronger and each year the Government adds fuel to the fire by importing a couple of hundred thousand of them

They breed like whites never would breed and to see families with 8 or 9 Moslem kids is the norm. This is the 'white ant' solution that will one day see them out number us

When they grow strong enough, be it fifty years time there will be a day of reckoning for madness of our forefathers in importing a culture totally alien to this Country

More hysterical horseshit.

Link.

Beats me how you drive a cab Aussie, your vision being what it is.

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Reply #28 - Sep 5^th, 2017 at 11:03pm

re Yadda

Quote:

tickleandrose,

You quote the scripture which admonishes;

Do not judge

tickleandrose,

And here is more scripture.....

Romans 12:9
.....Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.

Q.
How can i 'Abhor that which is evil',
....unless i exercise judgement in order to determine if something is evil [in my eyes] ?

Q.
How am i to identify 'that which is good',
....if i am unwilling to exercise judgement between one thing and other ?

Now, you are pushing into going back to my bible class in high school. Yadda, you have quoted 12:9 roman, and specifically about abhor evil and cling to good. However, to fully understand this, you need to read the entire passage. And here it is:

Love in Action - Roman: 9 to 20

9 Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good. 10 Be devoted to one another in love. Honor one another above yourselves. 11 Never be lacking in zeal, but keep your spiritual fervor, serving the Lord. 12 Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer. 13 Share with the Lord’s people who are in need. Practice hospitality.

14 Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. 15 Rejoice with those who rejoice; mourn with those who mourn. 16 Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position.[c] Do not be conceited.

17 Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everyone. 18 If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. 19 Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,”[d] says the Lord. 20 On the contrary:

“If your enemy is hungry, feed him;
if he is thirsty, give him something to drink.
In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.”[e]

21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

So, the prophet's words is for all to see. Even if you come to hate evil, even if you come to believe someone is evil. As christians, we should not repay anyone (ANYONE, including your perceived children of Blial) evil with evil. But rather, feed him, offer him drink. And it finally ends with "Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good".

Yadda, for as long as humanity can remember, we have being fighting tooth for tooth, evil for evil. This resulted in countless death and suffering. We should not be part of that. If we follow the words of god, then we should over come evil with good. Its more easier to strike down someone you hate, rather than to save them. However, faith will give you the strength to do what is truly the word of a benevolent god.

Now, back to the original point. Does then 20:9 justrifies judging on your behalf, as you mentioned that all Muslims are children of Blial. I believe it is indirectly addressed in 20:19

Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,”

In this passage, I believe it is stated clearly that it is god's job to judge and to deliver wrath. And it is true. We are mere mortals. We only see what our eyes ears wanted. We do not know the full circumstance or truth in someone elses behavior. And above all, do you yadda believe that your judgement is as insightful as our lord? Or do you seek to judge others on behalf of god? And this is precisely why the other passages of the bible specifically advised us NOT to judge.

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Reply #29 - Sep 6^th, 2017 at 12:01am

tickleandrose,

Thank you for your thoughtful response, in,
Reply #28

snippets....

1/ 'Be devoted to one another in love.'

2/ 'Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everyone.'

3/ 'And it finally ends with "Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good".'

4/ 'over come evil with good. It is very difficult. It is easy to hate, to promote hate, and to give into fear.'

my response to those snippets....

1/ Is speaking truthfully, an unloving act [i.e. is warning moslems, by accusing moslems, an unloving act] ? Explain to me how a parent rebuking [for example] a cruel child, is an unloving act on the part of the parent.       Q. Is it an unloving act, if that child recognises his error and repents ?

2/ 'Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everyone.'    And can that be accomplished, if speaking truthfully, is 'unwelcome' by moslems ?

3/ Truthfulness is love, and truthfulness is good-ness.

4/ 'over come evil with good.' yes! over come evil with truthfulness.
and,
4/ 'It is easy to hate, to promote hate,' Q. Should i regard truthfulness, and what truthfulness exposes, as an act of hatred ?    Perhaps you would say; yes ? I would hope not!

tickleandrose,

Q.
Whenever we see, truthfulness,       that is 'in the face' of great evil,
is that truthfulness to be regarded by us, as 'hatred' ?

Is truthfulness then, to be denied by us,    and transformed, by us, into a form of 'hatred' ?

God forbid!

i.e.
When those [who live in our 'company', or live in our 'community'] are accused by truthfulness,          should we then, choose to recoil, and choose to abandon truthfulness,
in order to avoid offending those who are, and feel themselves, accused by truthfulness ?

John 3:19
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

bojack,

tickleandrose,

Why don't you debate these points i made [in my OP], and prove that i am mistaken ?

Quote:

1/ ISLAMIC law sanctions [makes 'lawful'] and encourages both hatred and the murder of those who reject ISLAM's strictures.

2/ Those religious tenets and doctrines of hatred and violence, are mainstream within the 'religion' of ISLAM. e.g. Koran 60.4

3/ Every moslem, is, by definition, a follower of ISLAM.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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